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#81

"Sadly i don't fully understand which ones cascade from which."

I don't know if I understand exactly what do you mean by "cascade". In Writer, one can set the properties of a style as "dependent" from other style (Writer calls this "linked"). For example, "text-body" is normally dependent from "default". The wiser thing to do, I think, is to set the minimal common values in "default" and then make other styles depend from "default". For example: Set "default" to Liberation Serif 12 normal style, 1,5 space between lines, etc. Then you can make a "text-body" style dependent on (linked with) "default", but you add indentation for the first line of each paragraph. Again, you want the first paragraph after a heading without indentation and with a big capital first letter: you make another "default-dependent" style, let's say "first paragraph", with all these additional features.

That about dependency among styles. Maybe that is what you call cascading.

But it can also be an automatic shift of style once one changes paragraph, so one doesn't have to be manually swifting among styles all the time. Taking the same example. Imagine you have those "default-dependent" styles I explained above (and some other "heading-dependent" ones). You can tell Writer to sequence these styles in a particular order: you want that, once you have introduced a "Heading 1", the next paragraph is automatically set as "first paragraph", and then, the next one, as "text-body". You can do this by selecting the "Next style" on each style properties: in this case, "heading 1" will have "first paragraph" as "next style"; "first paragraph" will have "text-body" as "next style", and "text-body" will just have "text-body" as next, so each new paragraph after a "text-body" one will remain "text-body" styled.

Now, both of these operations I have described are easily done through the style manager: press 'F11', right-click on the desired style and left-click on "Modify". In the dialog that pops up, select the "Organizer" tab, and there you have both the "linked with" and "next style" boxes.

My advise is to set some minimal style for the default and do not actually apply it directly on your text, but create linked styles with richer features. Thus you will assure coherency (since all styles are dependent on "default"). Same thing  for headings: apply a font-size to "Heading", link all other heading styles to it and then modify the font size of each one relatively, if you wish. But do not actually apply "Heading" style to the document: use the linked "Heading 1", "Heading 2", etc. instead.

Anyway, everything is quite clear here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/8/80/WG4007-WorkingWithStyles.pdf

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Joaquín

#82

Hi :slight_smile:
Yes, that was exactly what i was talking about.

In your example if we then changed the style called "default" from Liberation to Arial then the change would cascade through "text-body" and any other styles that were linked in that way.  Changing from 12pt to 11pt would also ripple through, cascade through.  Linked headings would now be Arial and slightly smaller, perhaps dropping from 16pt to 14pt or from 48pt to 36pt or something like that.  I think.  it might be just that they keep the same font-size but might have only changed from Liberation to Arial.

Many styles are linked by default. I think all the ones about numbered or un-numbered lists, and stuff like that is all linked to the text-bod or default (or one through the other).  I just don't know which ones are affected by which but so far haven't noticed anything unpleasant going on so it's obviously been done in a way that i would want it done.

Occasionally (but very rarely) i've found some text in a wrong format with an apparently wrong style applied in a wrong way.  Usually cut&paste but pasting as unformatted text (and then re-apply the same style) has solved that.

So although i haven't really read that chapter of the guide i still find the little i have gleaned from a quick glance at a small part of it has helped me hugely.  I really should read the rest!

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#83

About linked styles, remember that among the display options, ​​beside
"display all" and "only used styles", there is the "hierarchical" option
that display exactly this kind of link between various styles :slight_smile:

It's also quite useful, because you can somewhat create styles
"categories", like all the "Title 1", "Title 2"... ones are under the
single "Title" style. It's easier to find it this way (in my opinion).

#84

Hi :) 
I have quite enjoyed a lot of this discussion.  I think a lot of the issues can't be fixed by the word-processor without blocking us from being able to mess around with stuff to give it our own personal flair.

For example i tend to double-space at the end of sentences but if i was forced to do that and given no choice then i would resent it deeply.  When i get on my bike to go home from work i could always turn left to go out across the fields and down to the river and maybe a pub and i quite fancy doing that but somehow almost always turn right and go home.  If i was forced to always do one or the other i would resent it.  It's having the choice that is important.  LaTeX deals with some of these issues but by doing so it restricts people's possible choices.

Another thing is that i tend to find that almost any "final document" produced by MS Office looks a bit shoddy and cheap.  There is always something that has gone a little wrong that we just have to put up with.  By contrast documents produced by LO just look so much more professional and polished that maybe we expect a bit too much from it sometimes.  A tool that can blatantly never get the job done, like Word, is forgiven minor issues more easily than a tool that is almost perfect, like LO.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#85

Yes!

The "hierarchical" display option for styles is so helpful when one has many styles based on others. And, that is why I got so frustrated when LO 4 would no longer use the "hierarchical" display option by default. When I close LO 3.6, it remembers my last style display option for the next time it loads. Sadly, LO 4 does not (at least last I checked).

This is a minor irritation, but when one uses styles heavily and they are all based on one another in some fashion, it's an important minor irritation.

Virgil

#86

For example i tend to double-space at the end of sentences but if i was

forced to do that
> and given no choice then i would resent it deeply. When i get on my bike to go home from
> work i could always turn left to go out across the fields and down to the river and maybe a
> pub and i quite fancy doing that but somehow almost always turn right and go home. If i
> was forced to always do one or the other i would resent it. It's having the choice that is
> important. LaTeX deals with some of these issues but by doing so it restricts people's
> possible choices.

Hi, Tom,

Unfortunately, your analogy doesn't work, in this case.

When you go riding through the fields, you are really not affecting nor interacting with anyone.

But, with writing, you are attempting to communicate with one or more individuals. If everyone does something different, how is the reader supposed accurately know what you are attempting to say/communicate?

Whether or not there's two spaces at the end of the sentence doesn't make a lot of difference in that communication, IMO. But, I think it does effect the ease with which an individual can read the written word.

#87

did you mean "the ease with which _some individuals_ can read the written word"? I dislike double-spaces but I hardly see a difference, subjectively, in the ease of reading.

can you cite a source for the claim it inhibits reading? don't feel obligated; I know Tom is trying, in his graceful way, to end the thread and it is probably overdrawn at this point.

it is btw pretty easy to edit them out.

F.

#88

Virgil,

I have been experimenting using percentages. With heading 1 ... heading n, I make a header depends from the inmediately superior heading and apply that the font of a lower heading is 92% of the previous size.

#89

Hi :slight_smile:
I think it's one of those things you have to play around with before finding settings that suit your own needs.  Other people can try to help but exact, precision is only likely to come from making decisions for yourself.  Sorry that's not very helpful!

Are you trying to make Heading2 a percentage of Heading1 rather than a percentage (over 100% obviously) of the default or text-body styles?  I'm not sure which approach i would take either tbh. 
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#90

Tom,

I receive your comments via my email account and answer from it.

Yes, I am setting a cascade of sizes based on size of previous
heading, using the same font size setting: 92%.
The key I discovered, is to not confuse LO is to apply Heading 1 to a
paragraph, latter Heading 2 up to Heading N.

I think that in that way, LO avoids confusion and scalates the font.
An advantage is that it expands or stretch the size to accomodate
fractional sizes.

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