Do You Share ODF Documents With MS Office Users?

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#61

T Hopkins wrote:

The ribbon interface is definitely MO's big vulnerability.

I would also argue that continuing development and promotion of Base is important. In
particular, decreasing the accessibility curve and making the usefulness of Base more
apparent to users.

Cheers, tod

Tod Hopkins Hillmann & Carr Inc. todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com

      I agree. But where are the people who are willing to write the Base Guide? This takes time. I have been working on this project since OOo 2.0. (OK, I may be rather slow.) I just completed a rewrite of chapter 2 this afternoon. Rewrites of Ch 3 & 4 should take less time. Furthermore, there are very few volunteers to review my work. Then they need to be proof read for grammar, spelling, etc.

--Dan

#62

Dan wrote:

T Hopkins wrote:

The ribbon interface is definitely MO's big vulnerability.

I would also argue that continuing development and promotion of Base is important. In
particular, decreasing the accessibility curve and making the usefulness of Base more
apparent to users.

Cheers, tod

Tod Hopkins Hillmann & Carr Inc. todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com

      I agree. But where are the people who are willing to write the Base Guide? This takes time. I have been
working on this project since OOo 2.0. (OK, I may be rather slow.) I just completed a rewrite of chapter 2
this afternoon. Rewrites of Ch 3 & 4 should take less time. Furthermore, there are very few volunteers to
review my work. Then they need to be proof read for grammar, spelling, etc.

--Dan

      Addendum: The first four chapters for the Base Guide in draft form are available at
http://www.odfauthors.org/openoffice.org/english/userguide3/db3/dbg3_draft.
These were written for OOo 3.3.0. For LO, chapter 1 has already been published.

--Dan

#63

I was mistaken as to which version of MO I learnt to use as a 5 year
old. It was MO 2000 not 2003. I am 16 not 14 also!

#64

Hi,

file/new/textdocument (strg-n)
- opens a maximized (empty) window.

file/open/
- opens the file in a vertically but not horizontally maximized window.
even when it has been stored as maximized before.

LO >=3.5 writer GNU/Debian KDE
(never such thing in OO)

What is wrong? Where is the switch?

Thanks

W.

#65

Am 10.08.2012 08:53, Walther Koehler wrote:

What is wrong? Where is the switch?

Install an additional Base package from your repositories or install the real thing from http://www.libreoffice.org/download/
Since OOo 2 I pin the PPD versions as uninstallable and install the latest downloadable version.

#66

High Andreas,

Am 10.08.2012 08:53, Walther Koehler wrote:
file/new/textdocument (strg-n)
- opens a maximized (empty) window.

file/open/
- opens the file in a vertically but not horizontally maximized window.
even when it has been stored as maximized before.

LO >=3.5 writer GNU/Debian KDE
(never such thing in OO)

> What is wrong? Where is the switch?

Install an additional Base package from your repositories or install the
real thing from http://www.libreoffice.org/download/

Do you mean, I have the wong version? I cannot see any relation to base.

Since OOo 2 I pin the PPD versions as uninstallable and install the
latest downloadable version.

Are you refering to the postscript printer descriptions, my problem is not
related to print its just with opening a file and having an unwanted window.

Walther

#67

Am 10.08.2012 09:53, Walther Koehler wrote:

Are you refering to the postscript printer descriptions, my problem is not
related to print its just with opening a file and having an unwanted window.

Walther

No, I was using the wrong acronym. Just go to your package manager and search for libreoffice packages that are not installed yet. One of them might be named libreoffice-base or something.
apt-get install libreoffice-base

#68

Problems with a *lot* of these new XML formatted documents totally *crashing* LibO (yes, even the latest 3.5.5 - haven't tried 3.6 on any of them yet, and they have proprietary info in them so cannot post them publicly) is why my boss just decided to start buying Office licenses with new computers and buying some additional licenses until we get licenses for everyone.

I'm very sad to see this development, and I'll continue to install LibO side by side, but I fear that its use will slowly reduce until no one uses it at all any more. The main thing that will keep its use up is the fact that all of our *internal* documents are still ODF format, but that may change too. I'll push to keep them in that format, but don't know if my way will win out.

#69

I've downloaded the drafts and intend to read. Unfortunately, I am not a particularly good copy editor, but I am willing to mark and report what I find. How do I learn the process for this?

Cheers,
              tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com

#70

Hi :slight_smile:
I think that the perception is that MS Office is just MS Office and the version doesn't matter, that users will have no trouble moving from one version to another.  What counts is perception and that almost never has anything to do with reality.

Also with MS Office it gives managers another excuse to just fire staff.  Staff are an expense, particularly the ones that have been in post longer.  They are seldom seen as an asset.

So, the onus is on individuals to train themselves unless they want to risk becoming unenployable due to not knowing how to use MS Office.

Migrating to LO is likely to be perceived as requiring the company to pay for retraining costs.

The fact that it is probably easier for people to move from MSO 2003 (and earlier) to LO than to MSO 2007 (and later) is irrelevant.

Also the ribbon is seen as sexy and glamorous.  People like it now even though they struggle to use it (ok, 2010's is a little easier and more logical than 2007's but people still struggle).

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile: