Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

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#67

+1 to Virgil's comments.
Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA

#68

See below as [...]

#69

+1 on this

But I can slide the styles box to appear at the top of the side bar and this
setting not only 'sticks' with the document but remains for new documents
started and for others opened.

I practically only use writer, sometimes a spreadsheet but almost never the
other modules.

I know nearly every user has preferences for how Gui's should work and you can't
please everybody. However, stability does have a large part to play.

My personal peeve is the navigation buttons at the bottom of the main right hand
scroll bar of writer. I always use them in 'page up/page down mode' but they
can be reconfigured to 19 other functions, at last view.

Unfortunately for me, when I use the Find function (frequently) either from the
search box on the bottom line or crtl-F or ctrl-H, this changes the
configuration of the pageup/down navigation buttons to 'find'.

It would be nice to have the nav buttons setting independent of other settings.

Philip

#70

This tread has veered sharply off course from the original post thus my change of the Subject.

If AOO Issued security and stability updates in a timely manner and if they issued a battle tested version of LO every couple of years or so, it could serve as a LTS outlet for the bleeding edge LO. This would reunify the Open Office community, solve the branding issue, and provide a valid purpose for both organizations.

Sadly the essential first premise of that statement has not been true.

Just a thought ....

#71

Hello James,

This tread has veered sharply off course from the original post thus
my change of the Subject.

If AOO Issued security and stability updates in a timely manner and if
they issued a battle tested version of LO every couple of years or so,
it could serve as a LTS outlet for the bleeding edge LO. This would
reunify the Open Office community, solve the branding issue, and
provide a valid purpose for both organizations.

Sadly the essential first premise of that statement has not been true.

Just a thought ....

I've been writing this several times. For *anyone* to deliver a LTS of any software, there needs to be a business model generating revenue on the LTS version. By which I mean, the one releasing the LTS has to generate money directly on the LTS. It does not mean having a LTS is a good or bad idea; it just means that there needs to be several (lots of, in fact) business cases.

In the case of AOO and LibreOffice -I can safely write about AOO in this particular instance- the question would be to know whether any direct contributor has an incentive (i.e. paying customers) to release such a LTS version? In the specific case of LibreOffice, I believe versions and upgrades are offered to paying customers by some of the companies employing certified developers. I am not so sure about what's going on with AOO. The way you framed your hypothesis, if I got your point right, is that the ASF would let the AOO project make a decision about releasing AOO as a LTS, implying that the ASF would offer professional support. I think it goes against their policies so it may be up to one of their sponsors to offer such services. The trouble is in this instance, they don't seem to have much developers and even less sponsors these days.

Best,

Charles.

#72

Hi :slight_smile:
+1
That is exactly the Redhat strategy.

If the different licenses could allow them to use all our code and allow us
to use all our code then that would be perfect. Sadly i don't think it's
possible any more. IBM were very clear that they didn't want any of their
massive code donation to end up in LibreOffice and the Apache license
ensures that. It's the one of the few advantages the OpenOffice
program(s)/code has over the LibreOffice program(s)/code.

Luckily the branding issue has largely faded away or even turned in our
favour. Their pale washed-out blue has been largely overtaken by our bold,
dynamic, forceful green&black. Our logo on it's own looks like a page with
the corner being turned over so it fits with what we are about. OO's
seagull doesn't say much about what they do except "freedom" and that is
less unique these days.

People have seen the LibreOffice brand go from strength to strength and
appear to grow incredibly in a very short time. From 20 people about 5
years ago to over 60 million within the first couple of years. It's clear
and simple. The OpenOffice route has been very difficult. They have done
very well to gain the standing they do have - but to outsiders it still
looks like they either shrank massively or barely grew at all.

Some parts of each community would have a very hard time integrating with
each other now. Both have good reason to be fiercely independent, having
travelled very different stormy paths in the last half-decade.

Also the appearance of fighting and competition between the 2 projects has
done both of us quite a big favour.

If it were possible to chart the growth of both projects added together, in
whatever terms you like (such as; number of devs, number of users, number
of press articles, activity, whatever). Then for the first 10 years, under
Sun, you'd probably see a very steady fairly impressive growth. From the
moment after the split/fork the growth would rocket upwards.

Sure many of our initial gains were OOs losses, but those losses could
easily have gone off to MS Office instead of 'staying' with us. OO may
regain some of those now that it looks a lot less chaotic than us. But a
lot of the gains of both organisations have been with organisations,
cities, even a national-police-force and other people who had never even
heard of either of us before.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#73

Hi :slight_smile:
Unfortunately the rest of the LibreOffice Community uses the word "Stable"
to mean something completely different from our ('normal' users)
understanding of the word.

They 'just' mean the program wont crash. They get very offended at the
mention of the idea of being less than stable because a lot of work goes
into testing to make sure it wont crash.

They wont, don't or can't understand the word "stable" from a normal users
perspective.

Other than that i completely agree with you and i'm fairly certain that
most people on this mailing list probably do too. It's probably why so
many here stick with "Still" for their clients or on machines they rely on
for actual work.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#74

How do you slide it? I've tried dragging it with a left-click and right-click but nothing happens. I'm using LO 4.4.5.2 on Ubuntu 14.04LTS.

Virgil

#75

I will do all of that when I get a chance.

Thanks.

MR

#76

Rather frustrating - why?

How do I correct this setting

Dave H

#77

Hi :slight_smile:
Brilliant, that reminded me to do the wiki part. So the script is now
here;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Linux#Script_For_Installing

Hopefully i might remember to sort the other bits for that wiki later on or
tomorrow. Anyone else is welcome to do the copy for rpm systems or/and
upload the script-file itself.

Thanks and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#78

Virgil, I'm on UbuntuStudio 1404 with LO 4.2.8.2

Sorry, my statement was incomplete.

I originally created another floating styles panel by clicking on the 'Styles
and Formatting' icon on the formatting toolbar. I then docked that floating
panel in the side bar. It originally docked at the bottom of the side bar but I
left-clicked on its header and dragged it onto the document and then back on to
the top of the sidebar.

It has stayed there ever since. So the sidebar now has the styles panel at the
top and the properties panel at the bottom. I find that a more convenient way
of working.
Philip

#79

We have no idea what you are talking about.

#80

Hi,

Rather frustrating - why?

How do I correct this setting

You should look at the reference date: menu Tools > Options >
LibreOffice Calc > Calculate -> Date

Best regards.
JBF

#81

I can't resist.

In the code, the variable "loupdate" is used.

Suggest name for code snippet be "loup" for LibreOfficeUpdate function.

Pun in English from the Google... LOOP - a structure, series, or process the end of which is connected to the beginning.

#82

Hi :slight_smile:
Good :slight_smile: Suggesting changes, or even directly making them yourself, is part
of the whole OpenSource experience.

It is on a wiki-page there so it's easy to revert changes if people don't
like them so anyone can edit directly. Just bear in mind that 'everyone'
can easily see the edit you make so try to keep it neat and elegant! :wink: It
sounds like the suggestion is purely internal, to make the code a little
more elegant, rather than something affecting performance or security or
anything = which suggests that you kinda approve of the rest of the code
:)) Another well-respected dev had a quick look and they approve too.

It wasn't designed as a serious project. It's just a neat bash script that
has worked well for a couple of people. It's a lot more than i can do and
it answers a question we get reasonably often on this mailing list.

So i suspect that changes and edits are welcome :slight_smile:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#83

I have been dealing with this issue for years, going back to the Open
Office days.

How do you install Libreoffice under Ubuntu?

After all those years, you never googled, you never asked anybody, you
never tried anything with or without success? You never continued an
online discussion clear up things that remained unclear or did not work?

Where are the step by step, clearly documented instructions?

Last Sunday two fairly detailed manuals have been written for you
exclusively but you prefer to not reply a single word.

When are they not either on the download page in LO or a clear link on
the download page?

Installing Debian packages, downloaded from website or from ppa, is more
or less the same procedure regardless of the respective application.

Can we expect that you come up with the exact same questions under
another nickname next year?
Can we assume that you are a troll?

#84

Hi :slight_smile:
I'm sorry i still haven't compared your instructions with the ones already
on the wiki. :frowning:

It might well be the case that the wiki can be improved because the
instructions in your first response were superbly succinct and yet very
clear. An ideal combination! :slight_smile:

If someone else has the time to do a comparison and maybe report back to
this thread then that'd be really good. It might "bring some questions to
light" that we can resolve both for this thread and for the wiki.
Apols and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#85

Florian Reisinger wrote

Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse?

Why did you ask this question if you are not interested in my response?

#86

Hi,

I read your response, but I never used this feature and did not have the time either to check bugzilla or test it myself.