lower part of dialog boxes not visible

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#21

Hi Jean,

Jean Hollis Weber wrote (18-05-11 06:12)

In the Ubuntu version of LibreOffice, some of the taller dialogs have
been rearranged so the "bottom half" is to the side, so they fit better
into a widescreen display such as found on many netbooks and laptops.
(PDF Options is an example.) AFAIK, the standard version of LibO
(downloaded from the website) does not use this side-by-side layout.

Great to know - thanks for sharing !
(I usually work with all kind of betas and test stuff, hardly with default installed versions.)

Would be good to have that in the vanilla LibreOffice too, IMO

Cor

#22

Hi NoOp

You didn't say he was what? It is helpful if you'd quote what you are
replying to. Snipping is good, but simply replying without some quote &
attribution isn't helpful - particularly if someone is sorting through
the archives.

I didn't snip anything. I simply replied through Nabble, which doesn't quote
or append the message I'm replying to. Since it works in Threads my answer
was linked to your post
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/lower-part-of-dialog-boxes-not-visible-tt2951830.html#none
To answer as I am doing now, I have to use Gmail which for me is not so
practical :wink:

We finally figured out that Thomas is using the 'Medium - 125%' setting

in Win7 (Control Panel|All Control Panel Items|Display). There is a
warning when setting that in Win7, it states:
<quote>
Some items may not fit on your screen if you choose this setting while
your display is set to this resolution
</quote>

Actually many (all?) Asus netbooks use this setting as default. So they will
not see that warning :slight_smile:

Did/can you replicate on a netbook? I can't on an HP Mini
w/Win7-Starter. If you can, then I agree & it would be a good idea for
you to file a bug report.

Since the extended dialog is well over 500 pixels high I know it won't fit
at least on any of the 7 inch netbooks which have a screen resolution of
800x480. On 10 inch netbooks it will depend on the DPI (as you mentioned)
but also on the Theme font size

Of course LO can't predict all these situations but in this particular case
there is a lot of vertical space wasted on the dialog which could be
optimized.

#23

> In the Ubuntu version of LibreOffice, some of the taller dialogs have
> been rearranged so the "bottom half" is to the side, so they fit better
> into a widescreen display such as found on many netbooks and laptops.
> (PDF Options is an example.) AFAIK, the standard version of LibO
> (downloaded from the website) does not use this side-by-side layout.

Great to know - thanks for sharing !
(I usually work with all kind of betas and test stuff, hardly with
default installed versions.)

Would be good to have that in the vanilla LibreOffice too, IMO

That is really interesting. It shows that Ubuntu has people concerned and
working on usability.

Since that is a modification of the open source code (and since Canonical IS
a LO Supporter) shouldn't these modifications be contributed back to the
source repository (or whatever the name is) in the spirit of Open Source
Software (maybe it is and it's not incorporated?)

#24

Fascinating comment. I've found that since I dumped Windows about four-five
years ago that I've been twice as productive. Care to enumerate?

Wayne
http://semiaccurate.com

>
> Thank you for your help!
> Yes, Linux may be the solution.
> (otherwise, I will keep looking and report back here, if I find anything)
> I am really trying to get away from MS, but Linux too has its problems.
> The one and foremost I am struggling with: I cannot find (or make them
> work)
> any good dictionary software.
> Which is for me a "fatal" disadvantage.
>

I tried several resolutions. 100% is the one and only that works - sort of.
Still the lowest part of the dialog box is sitting right on lower edge of
the screen partially hidden by the task bar.
I tried to move the task bar to the left or right of the screen, but that
causes then other problems.
I think it would be a real good idea to make these dialog boxes fit on
screens that are lot wider than they are high = note PCs, or maybe
resizable.
I refuse to believe, that I am the only person here over the age of 50 with
"computer induced loss of visual acuity" (use three pairs of glasses).
How is everybody else managing to read microscopic script suitable for a
James Bond movie?

#25

> In the Ubuntu version of LibreOffice, some of the taller dialogs have
> been rearranged so the "bottom half" is to the side, so they fit better
> into a widescreen display such as found on many netbooks and laptops.
> (PDF Options is an example.) AFAIK, the standard version of LibO
> (downloaded from the website) does not use this side-by-side layout.

Great to know - thanks for sharing !
(I usually work with all kind of betas and test stuff, hardly with
default installed versions.)

Would be good to have that in the vanilla LibreOffice too, IMO

Agree.

That is really interesting. It shows that Ubuntu has people concerned and
working on usability.

Actually I think the Ubuntu mods are more due to the Unity interface
than anything. I suspect that GNOME 3 will also have the same issues.

#26

...

Since the extended dialog is well over 500 pixels high I know it
won't fit at least on any of the 7 inch netbooks which have a screen
resolution of 800x480. On 10 inch netbooks it will depend on the DPI
(as you mentioned) but also on the Theme font size

Of course LO can't predict all these situations but in this
particular case there is a lot of vertical space wasted on the dialog
which could be optimized.

...

Agree.

#27

Hi again Thomas

I think this is a pretty good solution:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/fp-winmngr/

Just download and unpack the program in any folder. Execute FP Windowmanager
and press the Hide button. From now on, to move the top window anywhere just
press Win+Alt+Cursor keys

It does work perfectly with the LO Find & Replace dialog :wink:

(I apologize for recommending Winsize 2 without testing it first... I
couldn't make it work...)

#28

>>
>>
>> > In the Ubuntu version of LibreOffice, some of the taller dialogs have
>> > been rearranged so the "bottom half" is to the side, so they fit better
>> > into a widescreen display such as found on many netbooks and laptops.
>> > (PDF Options is an example.) AFAIK, the standard version of LibO
>> > (downloaded from the website) does not use this side-by-side layout.
>>
>> Great to know - thanks for sharing !
>> (I usually work with all kind of betas and test stuff, hardly with
>> default installed versions.)
>>
>> Would be good to have that in the vanilla LibreOffice too, IMO

Agree.

>>
>>
> That is really interesting. It shows that Ubuntu has people concerned and
> working on usability.

Actually I think the Ubuntu mods are more due to the Unity interface
than anything. I suspect that GNOME 3 will also have the same issues.

For the PDF Export dialog at least, it was that way (long horizontally,
not vertically) in OOo3.2 on Ubuntu 10.10 and possibly earlier.

Of course that could have been planning ahead for the new interface.
BTW, I'm using the classic interface in Ubuntu 11-04, not the new
interface.

--Jean

#29

> Of course LO can't predict all these situations but in this
> particular case there is a lot of vertical space wasted on the dialog
> which could be optimized.
...

Agree.

Just for fun I re-organized the dialog (this is a mock-up screen)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2347109/Find_Replace.png

Without too much effort I was able to reduce nearly 100 pixels in the 500
pixels high dialog :wink:

Now we just need a developer to do the same in the code :slight_smile:

#30

Well done. There are other issues as well (I'll need to go bug hunting
to see if anyone has already reported); on linux 3.4.0B4 the menu fonts
are unbearable and don't pick up/use the actual system fonts. See:

<http://imageshack.us/f/838/screenshot100percent.png/>
Menu fonts at 100%

and

<http://imageshack.us/f/222/screenshot130percent.png/>
Menu fonts at 130% - the highest possible setting.

I'll need to wait for an hour or so before I can boot to Win7 to check
to see if they are the same.

#31

Sorry for the noise; seems to have been fixed in LO 3.4.0B5:
<http://imageshack.us/f/811/screenshot100percentlo3.png/>

#32

Same issue, but even more critical:
<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36443>
[Bug 36443 - Toolbars do not show in LibreOffice Base 3.3.2 (while
making a form or a report)]
and for Ubuntu:
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/709778>
[Libreoffice base form design doesn't show toolbars, can't show them]