RTF support

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#21

Hi

> Hi Ernest,
> in our company we don't have any crash at all with LibreOffice 3.4.x
> . How many pc have this behaviour? Which is the system configuration?
>

3.4.x is a development version and it's not suggested for production
environment but just for early adopters.

http://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/

Davide

On LO crashing, 3.4.0 on Windows 7 for work has not crashed that I
remember and 3.3.2 on Pinguy/Ubuntu occasionally has trouble with
converting MSO 2007/2010 formats.

#22

Hi all

I have discovered a really useful feature in calc (one for the future), but its annoying in my particular use

this where, say, you enter text into a cell in column E say at E16 the text would be something > 8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines

now if you type in the same column above or below it, say at E7 the number 8, the whole of "8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines" appears.

I would like to turn this feature off.

regards

John B
xp pro sp3
LO 3.3.3 (3.3.3.1)

#23

John B wrote:

this where, say,  you enter text into a cell in column E  say at E16  the
text would be something >   8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines

now if you type in the same column above or below it, say at E7 the number
8, the whole of  "8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines" appears.

That is called "AutoInput"

I would like to turn this feature off.

On Windows it is under: Tools -> Cell Content -> AutoInput

Regards
Stephan

#24

Hi :slight_smile:
For most types of auto-complete you can just tap the "Del" key or any character
(not enter) while the predicted part is still selected/bold/inverse. If you
just press enter then the program happily thinks it guessed right.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#25

Dear Tom / Stephan

I have not seen this feature before in my Lotus 123 or in my old MS Excel either, it may be that the default settings in these are Off, where as the default in LO (and OOo) is clearly On.

I use my "calculator" for anyone to download from my website and the people who download it, may not have the knowledge to switch it off.

http://www.chillypepperhire.co.uk/calculator-downloads.htm - if you enter the number 8 into the "Height" box you will see what I mean (once you get past the open with LO and it opens in "read only" and you have to re-save it anyway- annoyance)

I was hoping that I could just format the cell in some way so the spreadsheet could be used be anyone and not say OMG when they inadvertently enter a number and text appears (as I did).

I suppose the only answer is to re-design the form (unless you know better).

regards

John B

#26

Hi :slight_smile:
Ahah, i think Stephen's answer is best. You will probably need to re-save the
document and upload the newly saved document to the right place.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: John B <johnb@email2.me>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 12:30:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text & numbers

Dear Tom / Stephan

I have not seen this feature before in my Lotus 123 or in my old MS
Excel either, it may be that the default settings in these are Off,
where as the default in LO (and OOo) is clearly On.

I use my "calculator" for anyone to download from my website and the
people who download it, may not have the knowledge to switch it off.

http://www.chillypepperhire.co.uk/calculator-downloads.htm - if you
enter the number 8 into the "Height" box you will see what I mean (once
you get past the open with LO and it opens in "read only" and you have
to re-save it anyway- annoyance)

I was hoping that I could just format the cell in some way so the
spreadsheet could be used be anyone and not say OMG when they
inadvertently enter a number and text appears (as I did).

I suppose the only answer is to re-design the form (unless you know better).

regards

John B

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> Hi :slight_smile:
> For most types of auto-complete you can just tap the "Del" key or any
character
> (not enter) while the predicted part is still selected/bold/inverse. If
you
> just press enter then the program happily thinks it guessed right.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :slight_smile:
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Stephan Zietsman<sziets@gmail.com>
>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 10:09:47
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text& numbers
>>
>> John B wrote:
>>
>>> this where, say, you enter text into a cell in column E say at E16

the

>>> text would be something> 8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines
>>>
>>> now if you type in the same column above or below it, say at E7 the
number
>>> 8, the whole of "8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines" appears.
>>>
>> That is called "AutoInput"
>>
>>
>>> I would like to turn this feature off.
>>>
>> On Windows it is under: Tools -> Cell Content -> AutoInput
>>
>> Regards
>> Stephan
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#27

Found this solution for Mozilla, but not sure why it would work for
others, since this seems it would effect the others?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=439938

It happens also on Linux and is particularly annoying with files
opened in OpenOffice (you cannot even copy-paste when the file
is saved read-only!).

Ok, just made a test and creating in about:config a new boolean
toggle

browser.helperApps.deleteTempFileOnExit

set to false helps also on Linux.

I tried it on my system with Mozila and Linux, and with the value
set to false, it opens the file and allows entering numbers. It might
be that others don't check the status until you go to save it?

Date sent: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:30:44 +0100

#28

Dear Tom

On my system it does not work, the autoinput seems to be part of the default settings of the program and unfortunately does not seem to attribute itself to the file.

I, turned autoinput Off - my calculator sheet works as it should, I then saved it and closed LO as well.

Open LO calc again, autoinput remained off (that's good), then changed the autoinput to the default On, then opened my calculator - and the problem returns"

regards

John B

#29

Hi :slight_smile:

Ok, can you turn it off and leave it off? Save the document, upload it, perhaps
change the html to point at the new version (?). Hopefully then your website
one should work the way you want it.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: John B <johnb@email2.me>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 13:14:41
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text & numbers

Dear Tom

On my system it does not work, the autoinput seems to be part of the
default settings of the program and unfortunately does not seem to
attribute itself to the file.

I, turned autoinput Off - my calculator sheet works as it should, I
then saved it and closed LO as well.

Open LO calc again, autoinput remained off (that's good), then changed
the autoinput to the default On, then opened my calculator - and the
problem returns"

regards

John B

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-

> Hi :slight_smile:
> Ahah, i think Stephen's answer is best. You will probably need to re-save
the
> document and upload the newly saved document to the right place.
> Regards from
> Tom :slight_smile:
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>
>> From: John B<johnb@email2.me>
>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 12:30:44
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text& numbers
>>
>> Dear Tom / Stephan
>>
>> I have not seen this feature before in my Lotus 123 or in my old MS
>> Excel either, it may be that the default settings in these are Off,
>> where as the default in LO (and OOo) is clearly On.
>>
>> I use my "calculator" for anyone to download from my website and the
>> people who download it, may not have the knowledge to switch it off.
>>
>> http://www.chillypepperhire.co.uk/calculator-downloads.htm - if you
>> enter the number 8 into the "Height" box you will see what I mean (once
>> you get past the open with LO and it opens in "read only" and you have
>> to re-save it anyway- annoyance)
>>
>> I was hoping that I could just format the cell in some way so the
>> spreadsheet could be used be anyone and not say OMG when they
>> inadvertently enter a number and text appears (as I did).
>>
>> I suppose the only answer is to re-design the form (unless you know
better).
>>
>> regards
>>
>> John B
>>
>>
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>> -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi :slight_smile:
>>> For most types of auto-complete you can just tap the "Del" key or any
>>>
>> character
>>
>>> (not enter) while the predicted part is still selected/bold/inverse.

If

>>>
>> you
>>
>>> just press enter then the program happily thinks it guessed right.
>>>
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :slight_smile:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Stephan Zietsman<sziets@gmail.com>
>>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>>> Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 10:09:47
>>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text& numbers
>>>>
>>>> John B wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> this where, say, you enter text into a cell in column E say at E16
>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>> text would be something> 8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines
>>>>>
>>>>> now if you type in the same column above or below it, say at E7 the
>>>>>
>> number
>>
>>>>> 8, the whole of "8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines" appears.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That is called "AutoInput"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I would like to turn this feature off.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> On Windows it is under: Tools -> Cell Content -> AutoInput
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Stephan
>>>>
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#30

Hi Tom

Tried - as you suggested (ever hopeful)

It works of course the way I want it, when I do download the new saved spreadsheet with the autoinput turned Off . However, if I now turn On the autoinput at any point (as would be everybody elses by default), it starts that autoinput. As I originally thought, its not a function of the sheet itself - so I am looking for another answer.

thanks

John

#31

Hi :slight_smile:
Ouch. I just tried downloading you new one and opened it without messing around
with the settings at all. Sadly it did suffer the problem you are trying to
avoid. I don't know if there is a macro method or something that might be
useful so i think perhaps post it as a bug-report and see if a kind dev is able
to help at all in the next couple of days? There might be some way of locking
certain cells or restricting input to a set list or something.

Good luck and apols from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: John B <johnb@email2.me>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 15:12:03
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text & numbers

Hi Tom

Tried - as you suggested (ever hopeful)

It works of course the way I want it, when I do download the new saved
spreadsheet with the autoinput turned Off . However, if I now turn On
the autoinput at any point (as would be everybody elses by default), it
starts that autoinput. As I originally thought, its not a function of
the sheet itself - so I am looking for another answer.

thanks

John

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

> Hi :slight_smile:
>
> Ok, can you turn it off and leave it off? Save the document, upload it,
perhaps
> change the html to point at the new version (?). Hopefully then your
website
> one should work the way you want it.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :slight_smile:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: John B<johnb@email2.me>
>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 13:14:41
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text& numbers
>>
>> Dear Tom
>>
>> On my system it does not work, the autoinput seems to be part of the
>> default settings of the program and unfortunately does not seem to
>> attribute itself to the file.
>>
>> I, turned autoinput Off - my calculator sheet works as it should, I
>> then saved it and closed LO as well.
>>
>> Open LO calc again, autoinput remained off (that's good), then changed
>> the autoinput to the default On, then opened my calculator - and the
>> problem returns"
>>
>> regards
>>
>> John B
>>
>>
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>> -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ; On 29/06/2011 12:46, Tom Davies wrote:
>>
>>> Hi :slight_smile:
>>> Ahah, i think Stephen's answer is best. You will probably need to
re-save
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> document and upload the newly saved document to the right place.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :slight_smile:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: John B<johnb@email2.me>
>>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>>> Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 12:30:44
>>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text& numbers
>>>>
>>>> Dear Tom / Stephan
>>>>
>>>> I have not seen this feature before in my Lotus 123 or in my old MS
>>>> Excel either, it may be that the default settings in these are Off,
>>>> where as the default in LO (and OOo) is clearly On.
>>>>
>>>> I use my "calculator" for anyone to download from my website and the
>>>> people who download it, may not have the knowledge to switch it off.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.chillypepperhire.co.uk/calculator-downloads.htm - if you
>>>> enter the number 8 into the "Height" box you will see what I mean (once
>>>> you get past the open with LO and it opens in "read only" and you have
>>>> to re-save it anyway- annoyance)
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping that I could just format the cell in some way so the
>>>> spreadsheet could be used be anyone and not say OMG when they
>>>> inadvertently enter a number and text appears (as I did).
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the only answer is to re-design the form (unless you know
>>>>
>> better).
>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>> John B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi :slight_smile:
>>>>> For most types of auto-complete you can just tap the "Del" key or

any

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> character
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> (not enter) while the predicted part is still selected/bold/inverse.
>>>>>
> If
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> just press enter then the program happily thinks it guessed right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards from
>>>>> Tom :slight_smile:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Stephan Zietsman<sziets@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 10:09:47
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text& numbers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John B wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this where, say, you enter text into a cell in column E say at
E16
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> text would be something> 8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now if you type in the same column above or below it, say at E7
the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> number
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> 8, the whole of "8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines" appears.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is called "AutoInput"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to turn this feature off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Windows it is under: Tools -> Cell Content ->
AutoInput
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Stephan
>>>>>>
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#32

Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Since then I always make sure no RTF files comes near me ever.

I have all due respect for your opinion and choice and I am glad you have
the option to do that.

I had never thought of saving all documents in RTF (maybe not a bad idea),
but I do find RTF very useful for the purpose for which it was designed:
portability.
I have used RTF to send Documents and Data/Reports to recipients with
diverse Office-Applications that did NOT have a choice with the
Office-Application they were using (so I have successfully used RTF for
portability).

Sean Burke in RTF Pocket Guide wrote:

For no really good reason, support for these RTF character sets is
perfiect in some word processors, almost perfect in others..., and shoddy
in others...

The capability of applications that state or imply RTF functionality is not
a reflection of RTF, but on the competence (hence professionalism) of the
developers that implement the Open/Import and Save-As/Export routines.

This is true of *all* software: that includes the Microsoft Word Veiwer 2003
that has problems correctly displaying the Word2002RTFSpec.doc.

Just FYI, Tracey
I normally do NOT use a screw driver as a substitute for a hammer, but I
have used a heavy duty screw driver to pound the lid back on a paint can.
I am not upset that screwdrivers are not hammers.

#33

Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Since then I always make sure no RTF files
comes near me ever.

I have all due respect for your opinion and choice and I am glad you
have the option to do that.

I had never thought of saving all documents in RTF (maybe it's not such
a bad idea), but I do find RTF very useful for the purpose for which it
was designed: portability.
I have used RTF to send Documents and Data/Reports to recipients with
diverse Office-Applications that did NOT have a choice with the
Office-Application they were using (so I have successfully used RTF for
portability).

Sean Burke in RTF Pocket Guide wrote: For no really good reason,
support for these RTF character sets is perfiect in some word
processors, almost perfect in others..., and shoddy in others...

The capability of applications that state or imply RTF functionality is
not a reflection of RTF, but on the competence (hence professionalism)
of the developers that implement the Open/Import and Save-As/Export
routines.

This is true of all software: that includes the Microsoft Word Veiwer
2003 that has problems correctly displaying the Word2002RTFSpec.doc.

Just FYI, Tracey
I normally do NOT use a screw driver as a substitute for a hammer, but I
have used a heavy duty screw driver to pound the lid back on a paint can.
Screwdrivers and hammers both have their respective purposes.

Johnny Rosenberg [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:

2011/6/28 Ernest Kurtz <[hidden email]
</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=3118806&i=0>>:
> 'Lo :frowning:
> As one who uses only Writer on LO and OO, roughly on alternate days,
never at the same time, I find LO to be less stable, crashing about
every other time. OO crashes are rare, maybe one in ten use-days.
> But I keep hoping, as it appears there is more current work on LO.
> BTW, I save all files in RTF.

I did that too maybe 10 or 15 years ago, which I later regretted very
much. Fortunately I need very few (none, I think) of those old
documents today. Since then I always make sure no RTF files comes near
me ever.

Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

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>> Hi :slight_smile:
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has a more
>> certain future. Substantial clean-up of the code has made it about
30% smaller
>> so it's faster to download and since it is more streamlined,
hopefully it runs a
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#34

Hi All

I'm redesigning my DB in LO Base 3.3.3 and have the following question...

I want to 'link' to the photos, (2 for each record), in place of the default embedding to help reduce the size of the DB and for this I need a path to be specified in each record for each photo. In place of typing in the full path every time I would like to have a fixed "Path to Photo Folder" field and just put the "Photo's File Name" under each photo. No problem with this.

BUT the next step has me fooled!! I created another field called"Full Path To Photo" and need this field to automatically concatenate the first two values ie "Path to Photo Folder" + "Photo's File Name".

Is this possible and how can I do this?

Thanks

Ian Whitfield
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#35

Hi

Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> Since then I always make sure no RTF files comes near me ever.

I have all due respect for your opinion and choice and I am glad you have
the option to do that.

I had never thought of saving all documents in RTF (maybe not a bad idea),
but I do find RTF very useful for the purpose for which it was designed:
portability.
I have used RTF to send Documents and Data/Reports to recipients with
diverse Office-Applications that did NOT have a choice with the
Office-Application they were using (so I have successfully used RTF for
portability).

Sean Burke in RTF Pocket Guide wrote:
> For no really good reason, support for these RTF character sets is
> perfiect in some word processors, almost perfect in others..., and shoddy
> in others...

The capability of applications that state or imply RTF functionality is not
a reflection of RTF, but on the competence (hence professionalism) of the
developers that implement the Open/Import and Save-As/Export routines.

This is true of *all* software: that includes the Microsoft Word Veiwer 2003
that has problems correctly displaying the Word2002RTFSpec.doc.

Just FYI, Tracey
I normally do NOT use a screw driver as a substitute for a hammer, but I
have used a heavy duty screw driver to pound the lid back on a paint can.
I am not upset that screwdrivers are not hammers.

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One problem with RTF is MS has different versions of the specification,
generally released when a new version of MSO comes out. If your software
does not read the newer versions, which I believe is the default for the
latest MSO version you may get garbled importing on occasion.

#36

...
OOo has always had issues with RTF:
<http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=STARTED&field-1-0-0=bug_status&field0-0-0=product&field0-0-1=component&field0-0-2=short_desc&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&field0-0-4=longdesc&query_format=advanced&remaction=&type-1-0-0=anyexact&type0-0-0=substring&type0-0-1=substring&type0-0-2=substring&type0-0-3=substring&type0-0-4=substring&value-1-0-0=REOPENED%2CNEW%2CUNCONFIRMED%2CSTARTED&value0-0-0=rtf&value0-0-1=rtf&value0-0-2=rtf&value0-0-3=rtf&value0-0-4=rtf&order=bugs.bug_id>

LO uses the same OOo baseline code:
<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=open&product=LibreOffice&content=RTF>

However there may be some hope for the future. These may be of interest:
<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas#Improve_RTF_Import_.28RTF_Tokenizer.29>

<http://vmiklos.hu/doc/gsoc-2k1o.html>

My recommendation would be to ask the user what WP or spreadsheet they
use & try to export in the same format if possible.

#37

One problem with RTF is MS has different versions of the
specification, generally released when a new version of MSO comes out.
If your software
does not read the newer versions, which I believe is the default for
the latest MSO version you may get garbled importing on occasion.

I truly and completely sympathize with your plight because I myself am
NOT a [C/Java] Application Developer.
When I have a problem with an application, I am at the mercy of the
developer(s) to correctly address the issue.

GOOD NEWS for every wana-be RTF User (and there are more than you think)!
Miklos Vajna claims to have the agenda to correct Libre Office's
implementation of RTF:
For (1) simple but important example of an RTF issue that just should
have NEVER been: see FreeDesktop Bugzilla – Bug 38786 \nofpages \chpgn
ignored and rejected: treated as step children.
This example (bug 38786) is the basis the following quote (Sean Burke in
RTF Pocket Guide): "For no really good reason, support for these RTF
character sets is perfect in some word processors, almost perfect in
others..., and shoddy in others..."

When a software application [claims to have RTF functionality] and has
problems read or writing RTF files (or crashes), the fault is with the
reader/writer (hence application developer(s)) and (NOT / NEVER) the RTF
Specification (see long quote below).

I do NOT expected developers to be perfect and never make mistakes:
that's why we have Bugzilla and not EnhanceZilla.
Tracey
*** Here's a long RTF Specification quote (from June 1992):
Destinations added after the 1987 RTF Specification may be preceded by
the control symbol \* (backslash asterisk). This control symbol
identifies destinations whose related text should be ignored if the RTF
reader does not recognize the destination control word. RTF writers
should follow the convention of using this control symbol when adding
new destinations or groups. Destinations whose related text should be
inserted into the document even if the RTF reader does not recognize the
destination should not use \*.

Jay Lozier [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:

Hi On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 06:33 -0700, tracey002 wrote:

> Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > > Since then I always make sure no RTF
files comes near me ever. > > I have all due respect for your opinion
and choice and I am glad you have > the option to do that. > > I had
never thought of saving all documents in RTF (maybe not a bad idea), >
but I do find RTF very useful for the purpose for which it was
designed: > portability. > I have used RTF to send Documents and
Data/Reports to recipients with > diverse Office-Applications that did
NOT have a choice with the > Office-Application they were using (so I
have successfully used RTF for > portability). > > > Sean Burke in RTF
Pocket Guide wrote: > > For no really good reason, support for these
RTF character sets is > > perfiect in some word processors, almost
perfect in others..., and shoddy > > in others... > > The capability
of applications that state or imply RTF functionality is not > a
reflection of RTF, but on the competence (hence professionalism) of
the > developers that implement the Open/Import and Save-As/Export
routines. > > This is true of *all* software: that includes the
Microsoft Word Veiwer 2003 > that has problems correctly displaying
the Word2002RTFSpec.doc. > > Just FYI, Tracey > I normally do NOT use
a screw driver as a substitute for a hammer, but I > have used a heavy
duty screw driver to pound the lid back on a paint can. > I am not
upset that screwdrivers are not hammers. > > > -- > View this message
in context:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RTF-support-tp3114703p3121621.html
> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >
One problem with RTF is MS has different versions of the
specification, generally released when a new version of MSO comes out.
If your software does not read the newer versions, which I believe is
the default for the latest MSO version you may get garbled importing
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#38

One problem with RTF is MS has different versions of the
specification, generally released when a new version of MSO comes out.
If your software does not read the newer versions, which I believe is
the default for the latest MSO version you may get garbled importing
on occasion.

It just dawned on me: NO software that I know of claims forward
compatibility (backward yes, but not forward)!
I am NOT a big fan of Microsoft, but your expectation as stated above is
unreasonable.

However, if you want to open/read a document that has the latest RTF
format then I can think of 2 choices:
#1 [Least desirable, but fastest] Download the latest RTF Reader:
msWordViewer (to the best of my knowledge msWordViewer has always been
available free BTW).
#2 [Most desirable, but takes longer] Submit a request to have the RTF
(import/export) utility (fixed/enhanced) (oftentimes the fixed becomes
available as a free down-loadable patch and the enhancement becomes
available in a new release or upgrade).

Again, Just FYI, Tracey

Jay Lozier [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:

Hi

> Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> > Since then I always make sure no RTF files comes near me ever.
>
> I have all due respect for your opinion and choice and I am glad you
have
> the option to do that.
>
> I had never thought of saving all documents in RTF (maybe not a bad
idea),
> but I do find RTF very useful for the purpose for which it was
designed:
> portability.
> I have used RTF to send Documents and Data/Reports to recipients with
> diverse Office-Applications that did NOT have a choice with the
> Office-Application they were using (so I have successfully used RTF for
> portability).
>
>
> Sean Burke in RTF Pocket Guide wrote:
> > For no really good reason, support for these RTF character sets is
> > perfiect in some word processors, almost perfect in others..., and
shoddy
> > in others...
>
> The capability of applications that state or imply RTF functionality
is not
> a reflection of RTF, but on the competence (hence professionalism)
of the
> developers that implement the Open/Import and Save-As/Export routines.
>
> This is true of *all* software: that includes the Microsoft Word
Veiwer 2003
> that has problems correctly displaying the Word2002RTFSpec.doc.
>
> Just FYI, Tracey
> I normally do NOT use a screw driver as a substitute for a hammer,
but I
> have used a heavy duty screw driver to pound the lid back on a paint
can.
> I am not upset that screwdrivers are not hammers.
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RTF-support-tp3114703p3121621.html
> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

One problem with RTF is MS has different versions of the specification,
generally released when a new version of MSO comes out. If your software
does not read the newer versions, which I believe is the default for the
latest MSO version you may get garbled importing on occasion.

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#39

Hi :slight_smile:
Rtfs do have several advantages. Smaller lighter-weight so it's nicer for
emailing and stuff. A lot less irrelevant and possibly personal info tucked
away in the hidden characters. But hopefully that's true of Odfs too.

I think some companies have a vested interest in veering away from
specifications, especially if they defined the spec themselves. Its a good
tactic to keep people far behind and trying to catch up. That's not the fault
of the spec. I think the trick is to stay flexible enough to be able to switch
formats if tooo much game-playing goes on.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#40

Hi :slight_smile:
Yes, Rtf is an excellent format. It would be more useful tho if MS Office
followed their own specs but then we wouldn't be having this discussion. At the
rate things are going the only organisation that doesn't follow MS specs for rtf
and docX will be MS themselves.

Our devs pour a ton of work into finding out what is really being used perhaps
by reverse engineering (?) and then developing an answer. MS devs can then
tweak just 1 or 2 tiny things quite quickly and leave it to other people to
guess at what's changed. It's not really a "dirty trick" it's a legitimate
business strategy.

Proprietary formats are about being secretive, hiding behind intellectual
copyright, hiding corporate secrets to help keep the competitive advantage.

Open Document Formats are about being honest and open about what the formats are
so that everyone can incorporate them easily and be certain that everyone else
can easily follow the standard.

MS has chosen to ignore the new Open Document Formats (version 1.2) and use the
old formats (versions 1.0 or 1.1). So they appear to be following ODF and can
legitimately publicly state that. But of course they have carefully made sure
that newer odfs still get a little messed up in MSO. Everyone else apps can
read them perfectly. Again, it's not a "dirty trick" but does make a lot of
sense as a legitimate business strategy.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile: