Seeking for list moderators

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#21

Hi Tom,

Hi :slight_smile:
That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and be
more useful in other areas of the project!!

That is your opinion. But I think it is very arrogant of you to decide for
someone else, where he would have more fun. Also discouraging someone from
a job that he's willing to take on, is counterproductive.

Agreed.

You are new to the project and really should keep your options open for a
bit longer. Perhaps just become more familiar with the types of posts
that do get to this list. It's an extremely high-traffic list so it's
going to need a LOT of people. For the project as a whole i think it
would
be better if you could be a moderator for the Devs Mailing List, not the
Users List!

How do you come to this conclusion? What makes you think, that he would be
a good moderator for the dev list (which isn't even in our infrastructure)
but not for the users list?

If you look at a random selection of typical "replies", this is a
common occurrence.

On the other hand i think Anne and others that have been here a while
would be perfect for this list

What makes Anne perfect for this list? I have a very hard time reading (and
understanding) her posts. But I would never say, that she is (or is not)
perfect for the moderator job. How you write your posts has nothing to do
with moderating a message. It is either accepting or rejecting an email
from someone else for the list. And being able to figure out, if an email
is spam or not (everything that comes from *mail.ru often is).

Agreed; both these writers often publish gibberish. With such
moderation, spam is likely to increase :wink:

Honestly, I was put off by your reply to RD Vaishnav's generous offer. We
do need more moderators on the different lists...

Would you please "moderate" their posts particularly? :wink: Please mark
"top-post spam: delete"

#22

Hi,

> Hi Tom,
>
>
>
>> Hi :slight_smile:
>> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more fun and
be
>> more useful in other areas of the project!!
>>
>[...]

Would you please "moderate" their posts particularly? :wink: Please mark
"top-post spam: delete"

As a general info:
moderators only receive emails from people who are not subscribed to the
list. If you are subscribed, your message goes right to the list without
being shown to a moderator.
(which I think, is a good thing - I don't want to censor anyones posts).

But I agree, top posting is an annoying thing. :wink:

Sigrid

#23

Hi,

If QA is included in the call for moderators, fantastic, if not, I'd
open it up as well :slight_smile: I will maintain admin rights and get familiar with
them but moderation will be needed.

the QA list is outside my scope - I don't even have administrative access here, so it was not included in the call for moderators. Of course, if you can configure the list, feel free to start such a call. :slight_smile:

Florian

#24

Hi :slight_smile:
Moderation in this case means unblocking messages that have been automatically blocked.  It's quite the opposite of the normal meaning i think.  Quite a lot of people are needed.

So far the only ones i have seen were blocked due to the person not subscribing to the list before posting.  It should be fairly easy to
1.  copy&paste a standard message back to them to ask them to subscribe
2.  Unblock the message so that it does get to the list. 
3.  Move on to next message.

It may help to be intelligent enough and have good enough understanding of English in order to spot and maybe solve problems but so far we haven't seen any of that.  Well, except one post was in non-English. 
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#25

Hi :slight_smile:
I still haven't read the Faq yet.  Hopefully i might get started on all this over the weekend.

Just checking my first impressions are right.  So, most of the blocked messages are from people that are not subscribed?  Those fall into 3 main categories
1.  Spam

2.  Junk
3.  Legitimate post (i hesitate to use the term "serious" given the nature of many legitimate posts to this list)

For 1 & 2 we do nothing and just let the message get dealt with automatically.  It's only the 3rd case that we unblock them.

This looks a lot more trivial than i was expecting.  The only issues might be the volume of traffic, how we co-ordinate on the "moderators" mailing list and how complex the unblocking process is.

Regards from

Tom :slight_smile:

#26

Hi :slight_smile:
You 2 have kinda "missed the boat" on that one.  Now you would need to convince all handset and mobile device makers, plus all office workers everywhere to revert back to a system that almost no-one feels comfortable with.  Even in-line posts often freak people out.  If you want to make that your mission before accepting people into LibreOffice then you have a big challenge ahead of you.  Alternatively we could just make these lists unable to cope with any new people and make new people feel very unwelcome. 
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#27

Hi,

Just checking my first impressions are right. So, most of the blocked
messages are from people that are not subscribed? Those fall into 3
main categories
1. Spam
2. Junk
3. Legitimate post (i hesitate to use the term "serious" given the
nature of many legitimate posts to this list)

For 1 & 2 we do nothing and just let the message get dealt with
automatically. It's only the 3rd case that we unblock them.

This looks a lot more trivial than i was expecting.

exactly - it's fairly easy. :wink:

Florian

#28

top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post
... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post
...
           one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit;
              one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing
on what's gone before, then merely scroll down.

       Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite
simple;
           oh, windows could be rolled up & down in a car whenever;
               then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the
engine was running :wink:

Hi :slight_smile:

#29

+1

      top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post
... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post ... top post ... bottom post
...
          one requires re-reading the post, before getting to the new bit;
             one allows the new bit to be read - if one needs refreshing
on what's gone before, then merely scroll down.

      Why do some folks want to complicate things which are really quite
simple;
          oh, windows could be rolled up & down in a car whenever;
              then electric windows made it impossible to do so unless the
engine was running :wink:

                                    +2

:wink:
Stuart

#30

+2 ??? :wink:

       "2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar ... all for *___*, stand up and
holler!"
           well, my mind wanders :wink:

#31

-2 (or however many)

many (all?) of us read several posts so you end up with a bunch of nearly meaningless opening lines; why read further? with bottom-posting, you see right away what the issue was, which motivates further reading.

I know this is a perennial disagreement; perhaps top-posters might at least consider pruning the thread so it's easier to know what they are talking about.

F.

#32

All,

Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to
click & scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a
message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as
bottom posting in my compose window.

Sorry for the inconvenience...

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

DRIES FEYS
CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer

#33

Gosh @anne-ology,

Formatting of your posts are always sooo far out there, i.e. off standards, I figured to give you a nod with the top posted and right justified +1, and a centered +2--although if I'd been thinking sharply enough I'd have made it a +2¢--because I love the car window analogy.

Stuart

#34

All,

Yes, I'm a top poster. Simply because I use gmail, and I don't want to
click & scroll to the bottom of the message every time I respond to a
message. But yes, I read everything in this thread, as it shows as
bottom posting in my compose window.

Sorry for the inconvenience...

it is inconvenient but so is the way gmail sets things up; I think some other email clients do the same.

if I were using gmail, I also would probably top-post because it's one degree of inconvenience against another.

I think trying to _write_ bottom-posting when the email program resists it is more difficult than trying to _read_ bottom-posting.

(I'm not a dogmatist; I'm a pragmatist.)

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

mit herzlichen grüssen!

F.

#35

Top post, bottom post, interspersed --- it is all pretty much the same in the end for delivering and exchanging information.

But what REALLY makes a difference in effort for recipients and for following the thread is simply trimming the response--by hand, or allowing your favorite news reader or email client to do it.

The need is especially notable if you review threads on Nabble archive--this thread for example: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Seeking-for-list-moderators-tp4053736.html

Stuart

#36

You're so very cute; and very kind; THANK YOU for the glowing
compliments.

       I've a number of pet-peeves, but these crazy electric windows may be
the topper - at least the longest-standing;
           back as a kid, a friend's parent's saved and purchased their
dream car - a Rolls Royce;
              well, when it arrived ... within 2 weeks; the right, rear
window was stuck in the 1/2 open position -
                 no mechanic knew why or what to do about it; some freak of
the electronic system :wink:

Gosh @anne-ology,

#37

Jabberwocky
     by Lewis Carroll

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
      Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
      And the mome raths outgrabe.

“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
      The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
      The frumious Bandersnatch!”

He took his vorpal sword in hand;
      Long time the manxome foe he sought —
So rested he by the Tumtum tree
      And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
      The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
      And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
      The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
      He went galumphing back.

“And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
      Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”
      He chortled in his joy.

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
      Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
      And the mome raths outgrabe.

#38

Hi :slight_smile:
I like the bits that say

"... [show rest of quote]"

so that you can click on them to see the rest of the remaining thread if you want to.  Of course you can easily read all the comments from top-posters with ease.

Regards from

Tom :slight_smile:

#39

A deliberate addition to see who would bite the bait and prefer not to
discuss the original topic; it worked :wink:

#40

The thing that amuses me is the creative or at least literary geniuses
we seem to have on this list. Anne I compliment you! Although I don't
often respond to the list much these days I still make the effort to
read all threads! I have often considered some aspects of what it is I
can do and I'm still stuck on the time and involvement, It sucks being
in the position where you constantly are traveling and unable to
keep on top of this all! Anyhow, I'd best be off I've got rehearsals
to go to! well on that note - Currently using LO to draft a play that a
youth theatre group will be using as part of the International Festival
of the Arts!

Cheerio!

Ant

> Hi,

>

>

>

>> > Hi Tom,

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >> Hi :slight_smile:

>> >> That is a very generous offer but i suspect you would have more

fun

>> >> an

>> be

>> >> more useful in other areas of the project!!

>> >>

>> >[...]

>>

>

>>

>

>> Would you please "moderate" their posts particularly? :wink: Please

mark

>> "top-post spam: delete"

>>

A deliberate addition to see who would bite the bait and prefer not

to

discuss the original topic; it worked :wink:

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