Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

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#61

My experience with IMAP through a browser is helping friends install Thunderbird, friends who have had there account taken over in AOL, MS Mail and YaHoo.
When I install Thunderbird, I suggest to them that it does not require using a browser, greatly reducing the chance of being tripped up on <click here> websites.

Some have gone to POP, others have stayed with IMAP on Thunderbird and are very happy. The only reason they ever choose IMAP is synchronization.

In extending Thunderbird with this capability

1. Make secured e-mails without trusting the the server. Security ends
    where trust starts. I trust Mozilla to produce a safe POP client and
    trust LibreOffice would be in kind if they where to take it over.
2. Have Thunderbird POP installed on multiple devices that align
    themselves to e-mail address(es) securely without the interaction of
    a server except for PGP.

In regards to LibreOffice

1. Sharing document to online services in the cloud is OK, but why does
    it have to be Google or Microsoft some other document sharing
    service. People want to share their information within a limited
    scope of addressees. If LibreOffice <File - Send - E-mail Document>
    it is already leaning in that direction, why not push it a little more.
2. The graphical interface of LibreOffice has made some huge strides.
    If LibreOffice took over Thunderbird, wouldn't it be great to have a
    'Properties' panel on the right to e-mail.
3. If we already have <Edit - Track Changes - Record Changes>, why
    shouldn't it push those changes to a pre-defined list of people
    automatically via Thunderbird.

I just don't believe that because somebody else already did it, it couldn't done better and couldn't be done without a server. Probably more than 80% the of technology is already written in LibreOffice and Thunderbird. It is not starting from zero as has been implied.

Thank you for listening
Paul

#62

1. Make secured e-mails without trusting the the server. Security ends
    where trust starts.

So, learn how to use encryption (PGP) end to end. That is the only way
to ensure secure email.

The problem you'll have is getting the people you correspond with to
cooperate. Many probably simply won't (incapable technically, or don't
want to bother).

I trust Mozilla to produce a safe POP client

I don't mind if Mozilla maintains the POP capability of TB, but I'll
never use it.

2. Have Thunderbird POP installed on multiple devices that align
    themselves to e-mail address(es) securely without the interaction of
    a server except for PGP.

Again, such a statement just displays your ignorance with respect to
mail clients and servers to the world.

#63

Edit....

2. Have Thunderbird POP installed on multiple devices that align
    themselves to e-mail address(es) securely without the interaction of
    a server except for PGP and message store and forward.

#64

Will never, ever happen, because it is a STUPID IDEA.

Sorry, been trying to not be so rude, but, well, sometimes there is no
other way.

OF course, I am wrong - there is one way something like that might
actually ever be attempted - if you write it yourself.

I'd say good luck, but it isn't a factor...

#65

Thank you taking the time to repeatedly note the level of my intelligence.

Regretfully, It has not resulted in any clear and/or concise explanations.

No why, no when and no how.

My apologies to others on this list.
Paul

#66

PLONK

#67

My experience with IMAP through a browser is helping friends install Thunderbird, friends who have had there account taken over in AOL, MS Mail and YaHoo.
When I install Thunderbird, I suggest to them that it does not require using a browser, greatly reducing the chance of being tripped up on <click here> websites.

Some have gone to POP, others have stayed with IMAP on Thunderbird and are very happy. The only reason they ever choose IMAP is synchronization.

In extending Thunderbird with this capability

1. Make secured e-mails without trusting the the server. Security ends
  where trust starts. I trust Mozilla to produce a safe POP client and
  trust LibreOffice would be in kind if they where to take it over.
2. Have Thunderbird POP installed on multiple devices that align
  themselves to e-mail address(es) securely without the interaction of
  a server except for PGP.

I'm not sure I wholly grasp what you are proposing but this is a bit clearer.

the best I can make out, the advantage you seek is to prevent confidential data from sitting on servers open to prying eyes.

I don't see how using POP achieves this as it involves a server and as Tansfaafl has pointed out security can be achieved with encryption (whether POP or IMAP, or diskette, or usb drive etc).

sorry the tone of the conversation got rude - computer people sometimes are like overly sensitive artists (oops! now I've insulted two crowds!).

well, interesing but this topic on this thread is probably at its end. to insure it, I'm saying Hitler likes your ideas! <g> that should do it.

f.

#68

You should be able to configure your IMAP client to download messages
for "offline" mode. There is also an archive function.

yeah, like I said, got to do my research again. at the time I was wrestling
with gmail

Google provides a way to download backups of all of your google stuff
(calendars, contacts and email) in one fell swoop:

https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout

thanks. actually I now recall getting this far but for some reason (perhaps distraction) didn't go further. they had just introduced it.

will look at it.

though I'd love an easy/easier way to mount a google-drive, but
that's a different matter and off-topic.

https://www.google.com/drive/download/

this is some kind of app?

this is not for mounting the drive in Linux. to do that you have to use a complicated job called ocamlfuse <http://www.tecmint.com/mount-google-drive-in-linux-using-google-drive-ocamlfuse-client/3/>

it requires several minutes of compilation. it works fine on one laptop but I haven't gotten it to compile on one of other laptop.

well, there are other possibilities out there but research time for this stuff is scarce, for now one laptop is good enough.

thank you for the ideas! it's like a free lunch of insights!

f.

#69

My experience with IMAP through a browser is helping friends install Thunderbird, friends who have had there account taken over in AOL, MS Mail and YaHoo.
When I install Thunderbird, I suggest to them that it does not require using a browser, greatly reducing the chance of being tripped up on <click here> websites.

Some have gone to POP, others have stayed with IMAP on Thunderbird and are very happy. The only reason they ever choose IMAP is synchronization.

In extending Thunderbird with this capability

1. Make secured e-mails without trusting the the server. Security ends
  where trust starts. I trust Mozilla to produce a safe POP client and
  trust LibreOffice would be in kind if they where to take it over.
2. Have Thunderbird POP installed on multiple devices that align
  themselves to e-mail address(es) securely without the interaction of
  a server except for PGP.

I'm not sure I wholly grasp what you are proposing but this is a bit clearer.

the best I can make out, the advantage you seek is to prevent confidential data from sitting on servers open to prying eyes.

I don't see how using POP achieves this as it involves a server and as Tansfaafl has pointed out security can be achieved with encryption (whether POP or IMAP, or diskette, or usb drive etc).

I think I was scrambling several separate ideas in my head.

1. Thunderbird POP client generates a synchronization file.
2. Securing the synchronization file for transfer with PGP
3. Synchronization files are a special case, that within the
    Thunderbird program, are handled differently than a regular e-mail,
    but look like standard e-mail to the server.
     1. Because Thunderbird POP creates its own synchronized file, it is
        not dependent on the e-mail server to control deleted, new or
        marked e-mails.
     2. If the mail server(s) are stripped to only message passing for
        POP, it would be simpler, quicker and easier for code review.
     3. Thunderbird is the true source of control for these actions, as
        this is so, the security comes with Thunderbird, not the server(s).

This part is a concept of a middle ground between TOR mail services and IMAP.
I think I've beat it to death or pushed it to life.

Thanks
Paul

#70

Dear all,

As this is the LibreOffice user mailing list would you be kind enough to take this discussion elsewhere, for instance the Thunderbird mailing list?

Thanks,

Charles.