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David,
Thanks
I have a Windows machine, connected to the net via modem at 26.4, and
the opening page link works. I did not try the other two links.modem at 26.4? Well that is really slow, and old?
The modem, not so old, it's a 56k data/fax modem. The phone line? A different story! LOL When I first moved here, I actually had a data only second phone line installed, that was a lot faster but I've forgotten the actual speed.
This speed number is using my voice line, and even if I go straight from the computer to the interface box, I only get 28.8.
I'm only doing the modem thing now because the satellite speed has been restricted. So the Mac is using the satellite, and I'm downloading big files on the Windows 'puter. Anyone who wants to call will just have to call back! LOL
I have a Mac machine, connected to the net via satellite, and the
opening page link does not work. The others do not either.I have two leading suspicions as to why on the Mac. One, I'm not sure
Thunderbird (and Firefox) are working correctly for some reason, and I
exceeded my allowable data download limits for the Fair Access Policy
on the satellite, so my access speed on the satellite has been
"slowed" to modem speeds.I do not deal with satellite services. I had the choice of DSL or Cable
Modem for broadband access. I choose Cable Modem since I am getting TV,
Digital Phone, and Broadband access in one package. If I used DSL, I
would have had to deal with two companies vying for the services. The
DSL company offers Phone, DSL, and Satellite TV.My upload speeds are about 2 to 3 times standard modem speeds, so
uploading/sending large files can be a long process. The DVDs take over
5 hours to upload [each] to the web site and every time a new version
comes out, I have to do at least 1.3 GB of uploading.
Cable and/or DSL is not available here. However, fiber optics were laid last fall to the paved road about 200-300 yards to my house. But, R.O.W for utilities distance means the fiber optics is about a half mile from my house. And I don't know if the phone wiring for everyone in the area will have to be replaced or not.
Skybeam, a ??? type company… I can't remember the technical name, but they use a combo of "satellite" and land line by beaming from your location to a tower, then land line… has coverage here, but I'm at the bottom of a hill and can't see their tower. Unless I build my own tower for my dish! LOL
Hi "planas", 
You did read the request for your real name, right? I didn't see any
mail from you yet... Or post it here if you prefer.
David Nelson
Ken
I don't know where you live . One option that is available here is
called a "dry line" . This means the copper telephone line is used for
data, not voice, and is configured for DSL . Assuming the phone company
can provide DSL service, this can provide internet, and VOIP and replace
satellite service assuming you both want and can get alternative service .
L
All work fine on my mac, FF. Excellent documentation.
steve
Where are you located at? Generally located which Town/State/Country?
I am in Elmira, New York, USA.
I may be able to pop a DVD in the snail-mail to you next week, if you are in the USA.
If not, it could take longer for one to get to you.
For specifics, email me at "webmaster@libreoffice-na.us"
One of the reasons for our DVD project is give the low bandwidth people a place to get a copy of a distribution DVD. Hopefully, soon, we will have our DVD[s] available at a print-on-demand service, or at one of our sites, for those who need a physical disc.
Where are you located at? Generally located which Town/State/Country?
I am in Elmira, New York, USA.
Would you believe.......... I'm 45 minutes, @35 miles from downtown Colorado Springs, CO. But I'm at 9,000', almost on the money, west in the Colorado Rockies.
If you'd like more details on the location, on a personal level, I can send a Google Maps link via email, and a couple of photos. I don't mind at all.
But my location just points out the fact that many people, companies, developers, etc., set things up these days just seeming to assume everyone has high speed internet.
I may be able to pop a DVD in the snail-mail to you next week, if you
are in the USA.
Thanks for the offer, but there is absolutely no need for the files. When I first went to check out the site, I had the impression your group was creating something different that what is on the LO website. And I've already got those files, but maybe not the latest.
And the slow speed is temporary. I just have to "wait it out", and my download "overage" will have expired, and I'll have my 1.0 mbps I'm paying for. And as we all know, that's the max speed I can expect, no guarantee.
If I live in the right spot in Colorado Springs, I could sign up for 40 mbps for about the same as I'm paying for 1.0.
With current phone regs, there's probably a half dozen phone companies I can contract with for DSL. The problem is the physical phone line, the quality of the lines aren't up to it.
I wouldn't be surprised if I researched it, I'd find the lines were buried before anyone even dreamed of something called DSL.
I'm sure once I'm out of Wild Blue's "penalty box" there will be no problem.
FYI, Hughesnet users also have a usage agreement, but it's just worded differently. I've heard the Hughesnet's usage agreement can sometimes cause problems downloading Linux Live CD/DVD's do to the filesizes.
Unsubscribe me .. I have no idea what you all are talking about in the last 90 emails I got from you all. I had written in earlier to 'libre' simply asking for a phone number to contact Libre about questions I have - recently had it installed and need to TALK with a live person about it. If you can sent me an phone # I'd appreciate it. Otherwise unsubscribe me. Thanks L.D.
send me you address off the list, and I will try to get a DVD out to you in a few weeks.
use "webmaster@krackedpress.com" or "webmaster@libreoffice-na.us" for the off list email address.
I tried using a "free" dialup service, 10 hours per month, and it took over 5 minutes to load CNN.com. The LibreOffice-NA.US site would not load at all, and it has less graphics than CNN.
Well got to go, lightening storm brewing, again.
below you text is the way to unsubscribe to LibreOffice.
LibreOffice is a total volunteer support system, unless you want to pay a company like Novell for a user support contract. The developers, marketing, and support people are all volunteers. Talking to a live person is a problem.
If we could have your area of the country [town/state], maybe we could find someone who is willing to give to you their phone number [off the list] so you could talk to them.
I live in Elmira, New York, USA, but I would have to call you unless you have free long distance on your phone [I do for most of the USA].
Is there something you would like to tell one of us off the list? you could email me at "webmaster@libreoffice-na.us" and let me know what issues you are having with LibreOffice and we may be able to help you with it.
Hi Carl
The usual way to get support from a mailing list is to start a new thread by
writing a new email to the
users@libreoffice.org
and just write something fairly brief about the problem. Please try to let us
know which Operating System you are using; Windows, Linux (Ubuntu or another?),
Mac or Bsd. For the subject-line try to summarise the key-issue in about 3
words or less.
Don't worry about getting each question perfect because it's fairly normal for
people to ask questions and for you (or whoever is asking) to give a bit more
detail later. In forums it is better to ask each question separately but i
think a mailing list can cope with all the parts of the question in one thread.
One advantage with mailing lists or forums is that you can use copy&paste.
Threads that have 'wrong' subject-lines can be easily deleted and don't need to
be read. Sometimes a thread might generate irrelevant chatter and hopefully
discussion about related issues that it might not have occurred to us to talk
about otherwise.
Ask your questions and lets see if we can help solve a few problems with
LibreOffice for you.
Good luck and regards from
Tom
send me you address off the list, and I will try to get a DVD out to you
in a few weeks.
As I mentioned earlier, there's no need to send me a DVD unless you want me to critique the overall process. I don't need the documentation files.
I tried using a "free" dialup service, 10 hours per month, and it took
over 5 minutes to load CNN.com. The LibreOffice-NA.US site would not
load at all, and it has less graphics than CNN.
Part of your CNN issue may be all the crap web designers and programmers put on a web page. I don't think web designers and programmers give much of a damn about people who do not have high speed. They just want to cram all that eye candy on the opening page, and people seem to thing the more eye candy, the better the web site. Which, of course, is BS.
Even Apple is guilty of this, and I'm a Mac user. All their fancy features are tied to the web, so I don't use any of them. And truthfully, I probably wouldn't use those features on a personal level anyway. I've yet to see anything "in the cloud" that I have to have.
My dial up isn't free, I actually have accounts at two places that give me access to the internet. One via dialup, and the other is the satellite connection. My original plan was to cancel the dialup service after I had the satellite service under control, but there were other factors away from the dialup versus satellite connections that caused me to decide to keep the dial up.
I've had the satellite connection for around 5 years, and this is the first time I've had my speed "throttled" back. And, it's my own fault! LOL I downloaded a number of Linux .iso's and I knew at the beginning I might go over my download limit.
And it only takes time to get back under the guidelines I agreed to in the FAP agreement, and then everything will be back to normal.
56K is actually a bit of a misnomer since it's asymmetric. A 56K
modem is actually 33.6K download and 28.8K upload. That's why people
switching from 56K PSTN connections to 64K ISDN connections (which are
symmetric) noticed such a marked difference.
I can't believe I still remember all this, I haven't had to support
PSTN services for at least 8 years.
Regards,
Ben
and what about a video documentation?
i think that there are people on the community that would like to try doing video learning videos and not a ""youtube" kind of but
a more official ones.
Eliezer
Eliezer,
>> Hi,
>>
>>> I would not mind getting this tutorial emailed to me - off the list
>>> - at
>>> "webmaster@krackedpress.com"
>>>
>>> I am not on thew documentation list[s].
>> Feel free to sign up for the list... You can download *all* available
>> documentation content (including stuff that's still in the pipeline
>> and not yet published) from the LibreOffice Alfresco platform at
>> http://alfresco.libreoffice.org or
>> http://documentation.libreoffice.org
>>
>>
>> David Nelson
>>
> Exactly what is an Alfresco "account"? Why would you need to have one?
>
> As for the Documentation List[s], I am already on 4 lists already.
> Also, I do not know if I will ever contribute to the
> creation/modification of any LibreOffice documentation, due to my
> brain injuries. Clear communication can be a problem at times when I
> deal with typing text. Three strokes will do that to a person.
>
> As for the documentation out there, I have the latest versions of the
> two available guides; Getting Started and Writer. Or at least the
> ones I find at "http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/"
> and the WIKI page for documentation. The LibreOffice-NA.US
> <http://libreoffice-na.us/> site is the testing platform for the
> LibreOffice North American Community DVD Project. Our group is
> creating DVDs that will service the needs of the following
> communities; Canadian, US-American, Mexican, and Latin American,
> including the Hispanic communities. Currently we have our English
> DVDs 99% ready for publication and are working on the Spanish language
> version [first draft is 50% +/- done] for those DVDs. The big
> advantage with our DVDs is the extras. These include as much
> documentation as we can find. Look at this link to see what we
> currently have for English;
> http://libreoffice-na.us/English/documentation.html
>
> What we really need now is Spanish language documentation, even if it
> is just the Getting-Started guide. Also we could use Spanish language
> extensions/add-ons plus sample files. Right now there is a big void
> in the Spanish language area of documentation, extensions, templates,
> artwork, and sample files. THEN we have to do it all over with our
> French DVDs, that are needed for French-Canada.
>
> So the question is what is the advantage of an Alfresco account and
> being on the documentation list[s]? I am on the Projects list[s], the
> International Marketing list, the US Marketing list, and the User's
> list. Would I really need to be on another one if I will not be able
> to contribute/create/modify the document files?
>
>
and what about a video documentation?
i think that there are people on the community that would like to try
doing video learning videos and not a ""youtube" kind of but
a more official ones.Eliezer
Good idea, some people prefer videos or Impress presentations to a text.
If videos are difficult or very time consuming to make, an Impress
presentation might work.
My video skills are limited, however.
High bandwidth help may not be that helpful to low bandwidth users. Not that
it's not a great idea--just as long as we don't depend solely on them.
Bruce
High bandwidth help may not be that helpful to low bandwidth users. Not that
it's not a great idea--just as long as we don't depend solely on them.> Eliezer,
>
>
> >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >>> I would not mind getting this tutorial emailed to me - off the list
> > >>> - at
> > >>> "webmaster@krackedpress.com"
> > >>>
> > >>> I am not on thew documentation list[s].
> > >> Feel free to sign up for the list... You can download *all* available
> > >> documentation content (including stuff that's still in the pipeline
> > >> and not yet published) from the LibreOffice Alfresco platform at
> > >> http://alfresco.libreoffice.org or
> > >> http://documentation.libreoffice.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> David Nelson
> > >>
> > > Exactly what is an Alfresco "account"? Why would you need to have one?
> > >
> > > As for the Documentation List[s], I am already on 4 lists already.
> > > Also, I do not know if I will ever contribute to the
> > > creation/modification of any LibreOffice documentation, due to my
> > > brain injuries. Clear communication can be a problem at times when I
> > > deal with typing text. Three strokes will do that to a person.
> > >
> > > As for the documentation out there, I have the latest versions of the
> > > two available guides; Getting Started and Writer. Or at least the
> > > ones I find at "http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/"
> > > and the WIKI page for documentation. The LibreOffice-NA.US
> > > <http://libreoffice-na.us/> site is the testing platform for the
> > > LibreOffice North American Community DVD Project. Our group is
> > > creating DVDs that will service the needs of the following
> > > communities; Canadian, US-American, Mexican, and Latin American,
> > > including the Hispanic communities. Currently we have our English
> > > DVDs 99% ready for publication and are working on the Spanish language
> > > version [first draft is 50% +/- done] for those DVDs. The big
> > > advantage with our DVDs is the extras. These include as much
> > > documentation as we can find. Look at this link to see what we
> > > currently have for English;
> > > http://libreoffice-na.us/English/documentation.html
> > >
> > > What we really need now is Spanish language documentation, even if it
> > > is just the Getting-Started guide. Also we could use Spanish language
> > > extensions/add-ons plus sample files. Right now there is a big void
> > > in the Spanish language area of documentation, extensions, templates,
> > > artwork, and sample files. THEN we have to do it all over with our
> > > French DVDs, that are needed for French-Canada.
> > >
> > > So the question is what is the advantage of an Alfresco account and
> > > being on the documentation list[s]? I am on the Projects list[s], the
> > > International Marketing list, the US Marketing list, and the User's
> > > list. Would I really need to be on another one if I will not be able
> > > to contribute/create/modify the document files?
> > >
> > >
> > and what about a video documentation?
> > i think that there are people on the community that would like to try
> > doing video learning videos and not a ""youtube" kind of but
> > a more official ones.
> >
> > Eliezer
> >
>
> Good idea, some people prefer videos or Impress presentations to a text.
> If videos are difficult or very time consuming to make, an Impress
> presentation might work.
>
> My video skills are limited, however.
> --
> Jay Lozier
> Jslozier@gmail.com
>
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May an Impress version would work for the low bandwidth users. You are
correct, it should be an adjunct not the only piece.
I would settle for a comprehensive, well organized, all in one manual.
I know a lot of people who write documentation complain about the difficulty of updates, but if you set it up correctly, it's not that big of a deal. Been there, done that, with a small manual.