Albany ? Thorndale ?

users
#1

Created a new presentation under LO 3.4.4; did it in a brand-new user account,
to make sure I did not bring along anything left over from the days I used
Sun's Star Office.

Surprise, the default fonts for both the slides (Thorndale) and the notes
(Albany) are not installed on my box, and worse, they do not exist for free
download but must be purchased.

I read on the net that the problem is a carry over from the days of Star
Office, and later Open Office.

Should not Libre Office get rid of those relics of the past, and put as
defaults some fonts that are available for free ?

Cheers,

Ron.

#2

Hi :slight_smile:
Fonts are tricky.  Luckily someone on this list can often help people find an appropriate font.  The OS should have a lot of free fonts included and it's usually possible to get a few more through searches.  MS core fonts can usually be added as a single package.  For others you need to do a search, avoid them, pay up or find someone else that has already done a search for nearest equivalents.

Apols and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#3

I know all that; the question is: is it right for a free software to have, as
default, fonts that have to be bought separately when there are plenty free
alternatives ?

Cheers,

Ron.

#4

What do you mean by "default fonts"?

Are the fonts names shown in the font list of the program?

LO seems to list the font that was use to create the document, even if the font is not installed on the computer it is being viewed on.

Some ways that is good, and others it is not.

#5

Am 02.05.2012 14:28, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:

I know all that; the question is: is it right for a free software to have, as
default, fonts that have to be bought separately when there are plenty free
alternatives ?

Cheers,

Ron.

The fonts have nothing to do with this particular program. You are the one to buy the fonts you need for one computer and all of its software.

#6

Then why does LO open a new presentation using fonts that are not installed on
the system ?

Cheers,

Ron.

#7

What do you mean by "default fonts"?

They are the font names that appear in the toolbar when I open a new
presentation and click on the "Click to add text" or "Click to add notes" to
modify a slide, in Normal or Notes view.

Are the fonts names shown in the font list of the program?

No, and they do not appear when you open the Font Name pull-down menu.

LO seems to list the font that was use to create the document, even if
the font is not installed on the computer it is being viewed on.

This happens when creating a new presentation.

Cheers,

Ron.

#8

Am 02.05.2012 15:06, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:

The fonts have nothing to do with this particular program. You are the
one to buy the fonts you need for one computer and all of its software.

Then why does LO open a new presentation using fonts that are not installed on
the system ?

Cheers,

Ron.

Because the creator of your template did not think twice. See menu:File>Properties... "Template" at the bottom of the first tab.
The best work-around for this situation is a font replacement table under menu:Tools>Options>Fonts...
Regards,
Andreas

#9

For what I have seen over the years, 90%+ of the fonts we use have free versions that are very similar. Similar enough that most people will not notice the difference.

I think Liberation Sans can replace Albany and Liberation Serif replaced Thorndale.

Both are free fonts.

below is a quote about this.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/liberation_fonts_for_linux
There are three sets of Liberation fonts: Sans (a substitute for Arial, Albany, Helvetica, Nimbus Sans L, and Bitstream Vera Sans), Serif (a substitute for Times New Roman, Thorndale, Nimbus Roman, and Bitstream Vera Serif) and Mono (a substitute for Courier New, Cumberland, Courier, Nimbus Mono L, and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono). Specifically, Sans is closest to Arial; Serif works best as a replacement for Times New Roman; and Mono is a near-twin to Courier New.

#10

Supporting what Webmaster wrote above, I've been using the OpenOffice/Libre Office Suite since the .9 something beta of OpenOffice. Originally OpenOffice did not have Arial or Times New Roman. It is my recollection that these fonts were open source to supply a rough equivalent of Arial and Times New Roman. I'm guessing that the original Albany and Thorndale must have been open source back then.

Don

#11

Hi Renaud,

What do you mean by "default fonts"?

They are the font names that appear in the toolbar when I open a new
presentation and click on the "Click to add text" or "Click to add notes" to
modify a slide, in Normal or Notes view.

Yes, these were the old default fonts for StarOffice, and then
OpenOffice.org - they should however have been removed during OOo 3.3.x
development, if my memory serves me right, so you are correct to query
as to why they should be present in LibreOffice.

http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=61445&highlight=thorndale

You said you created a clean profile from a new user when you installed
LibreOffice - however, did you have any previous OOo or StarOffice
configuration files still laying around on your system ? If so, this
could be one reason why you are still seeing those font entries. Some of
the configuration files are stored system wide, and these are overlaid
on top of the user configuration at startup.

Alternatively, it might be that the default Impress textbox font
configuration setting never got changed to the new Liberation fonts. One
way to check would be to do a search for XCU files, and then see if any
of them contain a reference to Thorndale or Albany.

Alex

#12

When I install any package that has font options, I change the fonts to the ones I prefer to use.

I have a set list of fonts that I want any Writer document to use, unless I change it. On every install, or clean reinstall, of LO on my machines I go to the Options section and go through it so all of my preferred options. That includes the fonts. Right now, on my Ubuntu desktop, I am using Times New Roman and Arial fonts. I have changed it from time to time.

#13

Hi :slight_smile:
Ahhhh, this is more like your chipper normal self :slight_smile:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile: