automatic updates?

users
#21

Paul W <pawitko@gmail.com> writes:

Sorry, I dont' get what you're saying.
I just meant that when there's a new version available LO would notify the
user and give the user the option to or automatically download and install
any updates.

What I'm saying is that there's no point in informing users about new
versions being available for the purpose of updating the installed
version because the installed version is updated during regular updates
anyway (which are performed by root and not by users).

If users want to always have the latest version, they can download it
from the git repository, install it in their home directory (if that's
possible) and continue to update it at whatever rate they choose. It is
probably not very useful to inform all users about all changes to the
repository because there are so many changes.

So what's there to inform users of? They can subscribe to the "Mailing
list for news and press releases by The Document Foundation."[1] or
check out the website. Isn't that sufficient?

[1]: see http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/

#22

Sorry, I dont' get what you're saying.
I just meant that when there's a new version available LO would notify the
user and give the user the option to or automatically download and install
any updates.

> Paul W <pawitko@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Does LibreOffice automatically update itself? If not that's a suggestion.
>
> When there are new versions of packages available which are installed,
> they'll be updated during an update, unless you prevent updating
> particular packages or when packages cannot be updated because of
> unresolved dependencies. LO related packages aren't any different in
> that, and they shouldn't be.
>

LO does not have an update feature. It sounds like Lee is referring to
Linux. In Linux the update is handled automatically by the distro so the
user does not worry about updates.

On Windows and Mac I do not know of an update or notification feature.

#23

Hi :slight_smile:
I thought this thread was meant to be about Windows. Linux and i think Bsd make
updating very much easier than any Windows i have seen.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#24

Hi :slight_smile:
+1
Exactly my point. Paul says it is probably ok in Windows too but we haven't
really had updates yet. We get full upgrades not little updates. Perhaps later
in the year the support for the 3.3.x series might produce some updates so we
don't really know what will happen until then.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#25

Actually, I use OSX. I assumed it was similar across all platforms. I assume
the autoupdate for firefox works on windows, linux and osx. but whatever, I
don't really know anything. All I'm saying is I hope LO goes mainstream and
takes down microsoft, which I'd love to see. Also, I wasn't even thinking
about a corporate environment where the root would do the updating not the
user. Good point. I was just thinking on a single user/single system basis.

#26

Paul W <pawitko@gmail.com> writes:

Also, I wasn't even thinking about a corporate environment where the
root would do the updating not the user.

It's the same at home --- with the difference maybe that the person
maintaining the system is likely the same person who has root access.

What makes "a version" "a version"? That someone decides to take what's
currently in the git repository and makes it available in another way,
or is there something special involved?

#27

Hi :slight_smile:
I think it's an artistic type question rather than a scientific one. An update
might only contain a few bug-fixes/patches and minor modifications perhaps a
minor additional functionality / functionality. A new release / version
contains major new features and a ton of updates.

As we saw at a higher level when Oracle tried to push out a 3.4.0 release rather
than just making it a minor point release (such as 3.3.4) people can try to make
it appear that they are going to deliver more than they are really giving.
Quite where the dividing lines are can be unclear i think. Sometimes it is
obvious but not always.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#28

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#29

Hi :slight_smile:

If you want to unsubscribe then please send an email to

users+help@global.libreoffice.org

to get instructions emailed to you. Note the "users+" part at the beginning
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It would be a shame if you do leave because i think you stir up the debate a lot
and get people thinking. Mostly i just delete all subject line of a certain
type and just read the rest. It might be better to use Gmane to avoid the
tsunami of emails this list gets while still being able to access ones that
interest you in a way similar to a normal forum.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#30

Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

I think it's an artistic type question rather than a scientific one.

How is this question decided for LO?

#31

Hi :slight_smile:
I think so far none of the LO releases have even been border-line to being
considered just updates. The devs work hard and make a lot of progress.
Eventually that will slow down and the devs will have to decide. Also there
might be single issues that need back-porting to a previous release but so far
there has been tooo much and none of it has been about security or memory leaks
or anything like that (apparently) so it's not critical to back-port to prior
releases.

It might be worth joining the devs list and ask them directly about these issues
because i am getting this 3rd or 4th hand, not even 2nd hand, so i can't be
certain how accurate this is. Devs can be tricky to talk to at best and might
take some of this personally but it's worth finding out properly but try to be
diplomatic to them!

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile: