automatic updates?

users
#1

Does LibreOffice automatically update itself? If not that's a suggestion.
Again, like firefox. It's about time this great FOSS project went big time.
I'd like to see this thing take over. That requires a seamless, transparent
user experience.

#2

Does LibreOffice automatically update itself? If not that's a suggestion.
Again, like firefox. It's about time this great FOSS project went big time.
I'd like to see this thing take over. That requires a seamless, transparent
user experience.

That will never happen. It's like banging your head into a brick-wall
when making suggestions. You will probably be told that you are
stupid, coming up with a suggestion like that…

I'll be happy if I am wrong, though.

Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

#3

I think that I just read:

"I am not saying that you are an idiot, but when you do that, you are likely to be called one".

I almost soiled myself.

I expected to see an answer more like:

Automatic update is difficult to get right, and it frequently fails for me. Yes, even with Firefox. Lately, firefox has been pretty reliable in the last few months, but in the past year, I have had it fail to update automatically on multiple platforms.

#4

I think one day LO will have auto update. I guess it requires more resources
than they can handle right now?...

#5

While Windows users may think that is a wonderful thing, for _every
other platform_ that is a very bad idea, and even verbotten by many
distros.

#6

It only works on Windows, the most insecure platform on the planet.

Every other platform requires updates to be pushed through their normal
distribution system.

#7

Does LibreOffice automatically update itself? If not that's a suggestion.
Again, like firefox. It's about time this great FOSS project went big
time.
I'd like to see this thing take over. That requires a seamless,
transparent
user experience.

That will never happen. It's like banging your head into a brick-wall
when making suggestions. You will probably be told that you are
stupid, coming up with a suggestion like that…

I'll be happy if I am wrong, though.

Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

I think that I just read:

"I am not saying that you are an idiot, but when you do that, you are likely
to be called one".

Well, maybe my post was somewhat unnecessary… :stuck_out_tongue:

Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

#8

Would you really want someone else to decide what is best for your system?

How about the question - if the next update has issues and you did not have a say when and if you are to update your system with that update?

I use Ubuntu and I have the system check for the updates - automatically - but I choose what updates I will install and when.

I would love for LibreOffice to notify me of an update, but I do not want it to do the updating for me.

Actually a few weeks ago, I had Thunderbird crash and burn when it was updated - semi-automatically. I had to do a lot of work to get it working again. I do not want to go through that type of thing again.

Next question is what if the update file is corrupted during download or something goes wrong during the updating process?

I may be paranoid about this issue, but I have had some bad experiences when my choices were limited or taken from me.

Actually with the "full install method" instead of auto-updating, I can decide which version to install, or kept installed, until I change my mind.

#9

Hi again
I think there is already a bug-report or wishlist item about this. This guide
might help
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#10

In news:1310852784.10825.1.camel@linux-c345.site,
Roland Hughes <roland@logikalsolutions.com> typed:

It only works on Windows, the most insecure platform on
the planet.

There are no auto-updates with LO or with OOo. The OS makes no difference
and it's hard to imagine why you'd think it would.

Every other platform requires updates to be pushed
through their normal distribution system.

Anything production caliber is an upgrade; there are no updates.

#11

Hi Paul,

I think this feature has been requested many times on this list and others. If I remember correctly, one of the very near future version will have an "update" feature. I have no idea as to how it will be implemented.

But I believe the devs are aware of the feature request[1]. As usual, it all depends on whether a dev is interested in working on this, and it also depends on the complexity of working out this feature request.

Maybe a dev will chime in and let us know where this feature request is at (note that on the bugzilla site[1] that it has not been picked up by any dev at this point.

Cheers,

[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34884

#12

That's interesting, thanks. I'm sure it'll come some day. I'd assume it'd be
optional. That's pretty much a given... having said that I've never had any
problems with auto updates with anything ever. My Firefox has always worked
flawlessly.

#13

Hi,
you have written exactly my thought :slight_smile:
I agree without reservation.
Regards,
Jiri

Dne 17.7.2011 0:50, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions napsal(a):

#14

Paul W <pawitko@gmail.com> writes:

Does LibreOffice automatically update itself? If not that's a suggestion.

When there are new versions of packages available which are installed,
they'll be updated during an update, unless you prevent updating
particular packages or when packages cannot be updated because of
unresolved dependencies. LO related packages aren't any different in
that, and they shouldn't be.

#15

Hi :slight_smile:
Except in Windows, of course, because they don't have an equivalent of the
package manager. Windows updates are only about the OS and don't usually update
drivers, codecs, apps or anything else. It is possible to install a package
manager for Windows but they are all 3rd party. I used to use Tiny Firewall
mostly for the package manager they included.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#16

Sorry, I dont' get what you're saying.
I just meant that when there's a new version available LO would notify the
user and give the user the option to or automatically download and install
any updates.

#17

Hi :slight_smile:
Ahah, if that happens already then this question is answered. All we can do is
wait&see.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#18

And the type of update you are asking for only works on the Windows
platform.

Unix/Linux platforms have a massive design flaw. Decades ago, when we
had no memory, no disk, and no money, forcing everything to use shared
libraries rather than static link was a necessity. Now, with LO and OO
written mostly in Java, shared JAR files are forced upon the application
as well as a forced minimum Java version.

When an update happens for a Linux platform, there are far too many
dependencies to have automatic updates. What happens is the package
maintainers for each distro are notified. They decide if it goes into
the updates which are automatically pushed out or in the next release of
the distro. In many cases, due to a change in Java version, or some
other package needing a backleveled shared JAR or library, the release
has to wait for the next major release of the distro.

_If_ LO was a statically linked executable, it could be compiled and
released automatically for every platform because there would be no
dependencies torpedoing other applications from afar.

Windows doesn't much use or care about Java.

#19

Well, my firefox for osx automatically updates itself like windows...

#20

And why is that?

Did you ever stop to think about it?

Microsoft and Apple are sealed proprietary OSs. A bunch of Microsoft
stuff got migrated to Apple when Bill Gates bought a substantial part of
Apple years ago. As long as they only develop/test with the original
"core" release, they can shove it out safely.

It's been a long time since I looked at the build process for FireFox,
but, isn't it also a self contained exe? Yes, it has supporting files,
but on Windows and MAC it doesn't rely on other things does it?

The .SO linking is a real kick to the groin for developers. It's a
mindset you aren't going to change soon in Linux land, but, if you want
to have things which an be replaced without thinking they need to be
completely self contained. Most computers have a gig or more of RAM
these days. Even the bottom end computers are coming with 1TB disk
drives. We need to shed this development model which allowed multiple
users to run in 128K because that simply isn't a requirement anymore.