[BASE] New to Base - Program stops

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#1

Hi,

I am trying to learn Base in LO 3.5.2.2 under Vista with all latest updates

I start Base - then I follow the steps shown at http://sheepdogguides.com/fdb/fdb1tableone.htm

The Base wizard starts; I click 'Create a new database' then 'Next'

I say "Yes, please register database for me", "Open for editing" and "Create tables using the table wizard"then click the "Finish" button.

I get a "Save as" dialogue and select /Data Base Projects/FDB004 Phone Book/FDB004.odb

And I get the Windows window that says

"LibreOffice 3.5 has stopped working"

I tried this process 3 times and each time I get the same message

Help!!

Thanks,
Preston

#2

Hi :slight_smile:
Can you download the 3.4.6 version and install it alongside your existing 3.5.3?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

Also there is other documentation at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
There is an introduction and overview in the Getting Started Guide and then a bit more detail in the first couple of chapters in the Base Guide at the end.  Also there is an Faq
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq#Base

There are some fairly awesome experts on Base in here.  Mostly all such huge fans of me that you wouldn't belieeeeve it.  I think the Base community is larger in the OpenOffice.org forums so it might be worth asking over there too but this one is the best imo.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#3

Hi,

I am trying to learn Base in LO 3.5.2.2 under Vista with all latest updates

I start Base - then I follow the steps shown at
http://sheepdogguides.com/fdb/fdb1tableone.htm

The Base wizard starts; I click 'Create a new database' then 'Next'

I say "Yes, please register database for me", "Open for editing" and
"Create tables using the table wizard"then click the "Finish" button.

I get a "Save as" dialogue and select /Data Base Projects/FDB004 Phone
Book/FDB004.odb

And I get the Windows window that says

"LibreOffice 3.5 has stopped working"

I tried this process 3 times and each time I get the same message

Help!!

Thanks,

Howdy Preston

Well, I run that version under Vista without any problem.

Given your description, and assuming that the rest of the suite
functions properly for you, I'd guess it's a missing java configuration.

Start LibO - not Base, select

Java

ensure that you have a java engine selected.

If there was not one selected, do so - close the options dialog and exit
the application - next startup you should be good to go.

HTH

//drew

#4

Downgrading would be silly. 3.4 had some nasty bugs. Version 3.5 is as usable as it used to be in LibreOffice 3.3 and OpenOffice 3.3.

Most strange problems and crashes are cured by resetting the user profile.
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426

#5

Hi :slight_smile:
Good point.  Hagar's LO page about User Profiles is here
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
and mentions the slight change in the pathname that was added for the 3.5.x branch. 
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#6

Preston,
I experienced exactly the same when I in early January this year installed LibreO3.4.5 that at that moment was said to be the latest stable version.
Yesterday I upgraded to LO-3.4.6 because there, according to this mailing list, seem to be too much problems with LO-3.5.x versions.

Without knowing what-why and without any clear instructions from LibO documentation, I spent about a week on experimenting and finally managed to get LibO to work without the Base-module crashing the hole LibO.
My solution was in short:
1 >> I uninstalled previous LibO-installation (also files from AppsData/Roaming, ProgramFiles/Users)
2 >> downloaded and installed from Java's homepage a JRE-file named "Ixpiinstall.exe"
3 >> finally I installed LibO (note! install JRE before LibO)
Voilá - no crashes after that.

There are several versions of JRE and you have to consider whether your system is a 32-bit or 64-bit Windows. I tried (almost?) all I could find and the above mentioned was the one that worked with my Win7/prof-32bit (I have OpenO3.2 on my Vista32bit-laptop)
There may today be other JRE versions better suited for your LibO (and my too) - I do not know. Perhaps the LibO experts can give you that advice.

Would it not be convenient for every new LibO-user if that basic info was said (or had a link to) clearly on LibO's main home page?
Yes, there is a 'intallation instruction' but I have not found any instructions about JRE: needed or not needed, how and when to install and what version is recommended and where that version can be found - if needed. As a nice short step-by step instruction.

That to be compared with OpenO that rather clearly says that In OpenO the JRE is already included.
Best regards
Pertti Rönnberg

#7

Hi :slight_smile:
Java 6_21 or 7_3 seem to be the best.  It's best to try the latest version first and if that doesn't work try the older one.  You can install java AFTER LibreOffice but then you might have to go to
Tools - Options - Java
to set which version of java LO starts using.  You can have multiple versions of java installed at the same time but it's best to remove them and get down to the fewest possible.   Idealy just the latest pre-release version (for your web-browsers and stuff) and whatever LO needs (hopefully the same latest version).

The problem with java is that it's cross-platform and easily compromised by a variety of types of malware.  Lately it has become so bad that the last 3 (7_0, 7_1 and 7_2) versions were allegedly facing active threats out in the wild even before they got released.  So, Oracle started working on newer versions.  The 6_29 is so bad that even Macs got compromised (according to ZDnet and twitter reports neither of which i never really believe much tbh).

A few years ago Sun were able to include a copy of java with some vague confidence that
1.  machines wouldn't get infected so fast as they would these days
2.  Oracle wouldn't try to claw back some cash by taking Sun to court for whatever stupid excuse they could come up with. 
These days neither of those things can be relied on at all.  In effect nowadays bundling java might even be considered as bundling a trojan in with LO!

The LO devs are heroically writing out java dependence but some still remains.  I have to say that out of 12 machines i keep a fairly close eye on none of them seem to have had a problem with the 6_29 but it's very possible i wouldn't notice until users grumble about obvious signs beyond just being slow.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#8

Hi,

>
> I am trying to learn Base in LO 3.5.2.2 under Vista with all latest updates
>
> I start Base - then I follow the steps shown at
> http://sheepdogguides.com/fdb/fdb1tableone.htm
>
> The Base wizard starts; I click 'Create a new database' then 'Next'
>
> I say "Yes, please register database for me", "Open for editing" and
> "Create tables using the table wizard"then click the "Finish" button.
>
> I get a "Save as" dialogue and select /Data Base Projects/FDB004 Phone
> Book/FDB004.odb
>
> And I get the Windows window that says
>
> "LibreOffice 3.5 has stopped working"
>
> I tried this process 3 times and each time I get the same message

Good morning,

Thank you everyone for your advice and comments.Your input was most helpful.

I did have the latest version of java installed so that was probably not the issue.

Since I had had a problem with the 'Most recent .." issue I decided to do a major reinstall since the problem was almost certainly profile related. Since there was nothing magic in my profile, I had nothing to lose by deleting the whole LO program. Using Revo Uninstall I did exactly that. Then I did a full search of my drives for anything LibreOffice related and removed those bits and pieces also.

I downloaded 5.2.2 again and installed and voila - all is well.

Thanks again for your help. My brute force approach does not show much finesse but it worked for me. In the process I learned much from your input.

Preston

#9

Am 12.04.2012 15:34, Betti Ann and Preston Smith wrote:

Thanks again for your help. My brute force approach does not show much
finesse but it worked for me. In the process I learned much from your
input.

Preston

Unfortunately, your old profile is lost now and no developer has any chance to find out the cause of your problem. No fix without cause.

#10

Hi :slight_smile:
2  good outcomes including actually solving the initial problem.  More finesse can come later but lets hope that nothing else goes wrong :slight_smile:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile: