Bibliography entry system and word/character counting

users
#1

Hi,

think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now.

When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes:

Some text some text [author, year_of_publishing: page_of_citation], some text from the same author and the same book, just another page, so I should not enter authors name (short name from bibliography database), I should put word "ibid." instead [ibid: page].

Now I can't insert [ibid: page] as field or to relate it somehow with bibliography field inserted above. Since that kind of reference is not field, if I change something in my document, I need to hunt all these inserts and change it manually to [author, year: page] format because [ibid...] works only if the first reference before [ibid...] is from the same author and the same book.

Think that feature should be added to LO: Insert - Indexes and tables - Bibliography entry and the dialog box should have some additional fields: check box and empty text box. Now, I should be able to choose a bibliography entry from bibliography database, then chose that new check box and enter the word I wont to display in document. Chosen bibliography entry from dialog box should be related to the word from text box.

LO should connect [ibid:page] with [author, year: page] and display [ibid:page] only if right above Bibliography entry (as field) is the same one we connected earlier. If I change the document and remove above bibliography entry field, [ibid:page] should change to [author, year:page].

I'm forced to use [ibid: page] and I'm unable do it as fields - now I have to hunt down every manual [ibid:page] I make.

Is there way to do this?

Also, think it should not be a problem to add some additional information in the same place with word and character count. Think it would be nice if we had:

         Words (characters) [cards] | 1249 (7568) [4,204]

Look here (well, I'm not writing in Serbian but idea of typography card stays the same):
http://www.proz.com/forum/money_matters/126748-equivalent_of_characters_including_spaces_in_words.html#1047157

Now I have to open KCalc over and over again. Think that should not be very complicate to add?

Kruno

#2

You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO.

Best regards.
JBF

#3

Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful...

#4

Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta?

#5

​I'm currently using Zotero ​with 4.0.4 without any issue.

#6

The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.)

#7

Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks!

#8

Hi :slight_smile:
Congrats!!  Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now?  Is Zotero easy enough to use?

Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway.  One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters.  
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#9

First time I installed it, it wasn't showing in LO user interface, I've downloaded id again, upgraded Firefox to 23 and now it is showing in UI and allows me to use it. Still have to play with it a little bit to see what that thing can really do, but sure it is improvement over LO integrated bibliography system.

#10

It is really easy to use, and I love the way it can be customized (in sense of formating bibliography entries) but just wonder - what happens when I send "zotero odt" to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does bibliography shows as it should?

#11

Hi :slight_smile:
I think i would send them a Pd of the whole thing in addition to the Odf.  Also i think i would include a link to the 2 relevant download pages.

Thanks for letting me know btw!  It might help my situation quite a bit.
Thanks and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#12

In Zotero's Document Preferences, note the choice between using ReferenceMarks or Bookmarks, and the choice of whether to 'Store references in document' or not. These choices will affect how you share documents with others.

#13

Yes. Citations are just fields (each field in LO has plain-text fallback value,
so it does not have to be recalculated and can be displayed by software not
understanding it). Bibliography is plain text in section.

The hard part starts when you want the other person to change your document
and change existing citations. Then, they have to use Zotero. And you must
either share your library with them, or save Zotero data with each citation
(might be slow on larger files).

#14

what happens
when I send "zotero odt" to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does
bibliography shows as it should?

Yes. Citations are just fields (each field in LO has plain-text fallback value,
so it does not have to be recalculated and can be displayed by software not
understanding it). Bibliography is plain text in section.

The hard part starts when you want the other person to change your document
and change existing citations. Then, they have to use Zotero. And you must
either share your library with them, or save Zotero data with each citation
(might be slow on larger files).

Well, all I wonted to hear is

Citations are just fields (each field in LO has plain-text fallback value

I'm more then happy!

Thanks!