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#1

I am in the process of converting 177 pages of my study notes on the NT book of Romans from Lotus WordPro to LibreOffice. I have two more large "books" to convert after this.  I've thought about breaking it up into 4 smaller sections because it takes several seconds to go from page to page. There are several different type faces, including Greek, which may slow things down. I've also wondered about not using LibreOffice and using Scribus instead because the documents are so large.  Comments?

Brian Grawburg

Wilson, NC

#2

There are several different type faces, including Greek, which may slow things down.

The only slow down is from applying the appropriate styles.
My recommendation is to use language specific styles.

I've also wondered about not using LibreOffice and using Scribus instead because the documents are so large.

177 pages isn't that many.

The time lag is usually due to either insufficient RAM or an excessive
number of styles - both character and paragraph, or both.

jonathon

#3

Consider also using master documents (.odm). Its styles overrides the one
on the single documents embedded in it.

#4

Hi Jonathon,

toki schrieb:

There are several different type faces, including Greek, which may slow things down.

The only slow down is from applying the appropriate styles.
My recommendation is to use language specific styles.

I've also wondered about not using LibreOffice and using Scribus instead because the documents are so large.

177 pages isn't that many.

The time lag is usually due to either insufficient RAM or an excessive
number of styles - both character and paragraph, or both.

The ODF specification part 1 has more than 800 pages and about 90 custom styles. That gives no problems for me; Windows 7 with 4GB Ram and a Windows-Score of 4.3.

To reduce the automatic styles, you should disable generating random numbers in Tools > Options > Writer > Comparison. Otherwise you will end up with thousands of automatic styles only to keep these numbers.

And you should immediately resolve comments and delete them and resolve tracked changes and accept or reject them.

Kind regards
Regina

#5

On Wed, 24 May 2017 19:56:33 -0400
"Brian Grawburg" <grawburg@myglnc.com> dijo:

I am in the process of converting 177 pages of my study notes on the
NT book of Romans from Lotus WordPro to LibreOffice. I have two more
large "books" to convert after this.  I've thought about breaking it
up into 4 smaller sections because it takes several seconds to go from
page to page. There are several different type faces, including Greek,
which may slow things down. I've also wondered about not using
LibreOffice and using Scribus instead because the documents are so
large.  Comments?

Scribus is famous for being slow, although there have been some
improvements recently. The speed problems with Scribus are due to its
text abilities (far more options than LO), which are great for layout
and design, but in order to give the viewer a WYSIWYG screen it redraws
text letter by letter. The common wisdom is to break up the document
into smaller chunks (e.g., separate documents for each chapter), then
export each as a PDF and use other tools to assemble the PDFs into the
final document. There are additional tricks as well, but they are too
detailed to describe here.

I should add another mantra of Scribus users: Scribus is a layout tool;
not a word processor. You do your writing in your word processor, your
images in the GIMP or Inkscape, and assemble them in Scribus. Its
import filter for ODT files preserves styles (adapting them to Scribus
conventions), but not much else, e.g., page numbers and images are
ignored. When I write a document that I know I will eventually want to
lay out in Scribus I write it in LO, applying the styles that I know I
will want in Scribus, but I don't bother with the details of the style
in LO - I just want the text tagged with the style because I'm going to
change/enhance it once the text is in Scribus anyway.

I must also mention the Scribus listserv, because this is a LO list
where Scribus discussions border on being off topic:
Scribus Mailing List: scribus@lists.scribus.net
Edit your options or unsubscribe:
http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus
See also:
http://wiki.scribus.net
http://forums.scribus.net

And finally I should mention TeX. (The X is pronounced as a voiceless
velar fricative, e.g., the ch in German 'ach,' and in written form the
X is supposed to be below the baseline.) TeX was originally conceived
as a way to produce academic documents like dissertations and theses,
where it still shines today. It has many devotees and there are a great
many add-ons and utilities, e.g., Latex, Lyx, inter multa alia. I don't
have listserve or website information handy because I don't use TeX
personally, but I'm sure there are plenty of such resources online.

Good luck with your project!

#6

I've seen documents with 20,000 + styles, across paragraph, character,
list, and page styles. That is what I was getting at, when I was talking
about excessive styles.

jonathon

#7

Hi Jonathon,

toki schrieb:

The ODF specification part 1 has more than 800 pages and about 90 custom
styles. That gives no problems for me; Windows 7 with 4GB Ram and a
Windows-Score of 4.3.

I've seen documents with 20,000 + styles, across paragraph, character,
list, and page styles. That is what I was getting at, when I was talking
about excessive styles.

That are surely no custom styles, but likely the automatic styles generated by the random numbers. I propose to turn this feature off as default.

Kind regards
Regina

#8

Custom styles.
Instead of modifying the default style, a new style was created,
whenever something was changed.

jonathon

#9

I also found that copy/paste from another document can include a style from that document.
Style management is something I do as I go, I even have a "cleansing" document as an intermediary to ensure I don't inadvertently copy unwanted styles into the document I am creating.
I recently found the style replacement feature in LO which helped me remove some unwanted styles and that worked a treat.
steve