brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes

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#1

Here are two brochure "templates". Since Tom had some questions about margins and such for hand folded brochures, here are the templates I use, or at least the "letter size" one.

They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option active that "shrinks to fit page", or similar.

The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3 column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you.

US Letter size
http://libreoffice-na.us/brochure-template-1.ott

Europe A4 size
http://libreoffice-na.us/brochure-template-1--a4.ott

If someone want me to, I can make them a bit better and with instructions on how to use them for the different folding styles. Then they can be placed into the Template Center.

#2

Perhaps that should be "everywhere-in-the-world-except-the-United-States-and-Canada A4 size".

Brian Barker

#3

I do not know about the rest of the world.
I knew that Europe tend to use A4.

Why USA and Canada uses "letter size" when the rest use A4, who knows.

#4

Here is a short history on it:

http://www.serif.com/blog/a-quick-history-on-a4-and-letter-paper-sizes/

Canada follows the US for obvious reasons. IMO, I would rather follow with the A4 and metric sizes, we should all be following the metric sizing.

Cheers,

Marc

#5

The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time. We are using more metric in manufacturing, but for use in the home or business, people grew up learning the "English" system of feet/inches, pounds/ounces, cup/gallon, instead of all of the base-ten metric measurements.

Yes, if we taught our kids from the early ages to use metric along with what we use now, maybe we can get them to be more use to the metric system so we can move to it someday as an equal to our current system. Of course, business use letter size paper, letter size storage, letter size presentation devices to hold their letter size paper, and the list goes on and on. All those things that are based on the letter size paper and cannot fit the A4 size paper will have to be replaced so they can fit both sizes - as a standard size - before business will be thinking about using A4 regularly.

#6

The thing that matters most in the USA is economics. When it becomes more economical to use the metric system, we will change very rapidly. In the past, we produced soft drinks in the quart size. When the demand for packaging them in liters for sale overseas, two different measuring systems increased their costs. So, large soft drink containers were produced exclusively in liters sizes to save money.
      I suppose the equivalent for printers is this: when it becomes cheaper to make a printer which will print A4 (and thus letter size with a small added border) and the demand is high enough, printers will rather quickly change to using A4 as the standard size.
      All of this is my personal opinion, of course.

--Dan

#7

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time.

It failed because Ronald Regan canceled Jimmy Carter's plans to move to it.

#8

They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between
columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around
them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option
active that "shrinks to fit page", or similar.

The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3
column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past
year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you.

krackedpress wrote

Here are two brochure "templates". Since Tom had some questions about
margins and such for hand folded brochures, here are the templates I
use, or at least the "letter size" one.

They use a page margin of 0.4 inches and a 0.8 inch margin between
columns, so each of the 3 panels will have a 0.4 inch margin around
them. This works as long as you make sure there is no printer option
active that "shrinks to fit page", or similar.

The margin of 0.4 inches work well for the hand folding of these 3
column/panel brochure/flier. I have made many brochures over the past
year with LO using this margin setup. It might work for you.

Hi.
I also add a fine tick line a couple of mm (1/8") long right at the edge of
the paper in the centre of each column break, top and bottom, as folding
guides. Really fine and if necessary gray so they can just be seen.
Steve

#9

Economicsis the key. We do have most things in the grocery store listing both English and Metric measurements. That is for economics as well, since these items would not need different package designs for the regions of the world that speak English and use metric.

#10

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time.

It failed because Ronald Regan canceled Jimmy Carter's plans to move to it.

Economicsis the key. We do have most things in the grocery store listing both English and Metric measurements. That is for economics as well, since these items would not need different package designs for the regions of the world that speak English and use metric.

Economics had nothing to do with it. Reagan was a "stick in the mud" conservative who didn't want change. Economics would have meant moving to it, to keep up with the rest of the world. As a result, the U.S. is stuck with an obsolete system that uses arbitrary units. IIRC, there are only 3 countries in the world that don't use the metric system and 2 of them are 3rd world.

#11

Hi :slight_smile:

From my experiences of office workers i would definitely avoid a line to guide folding.  They will miss it.  Whether on purpose or by accident they will find ways to avoid the line and probably in a different way for each leaflet.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#12

Hi :slight_smile:
Even NASA use feet and inches.  How many feet left to dock.  Even their plans to go to the moon go by feet.  I wonder if half the computers they use are purely to convert between feet and miles and another half to convert to the metric systems used by everyone else they co-ordinate with. 
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#13

Hi :slight_smile:
Going to the moon by foot sounds a tad tricksy.  So, sometimes base 12, sometimes base 20, sometimes base 8 (i think?) and sometimes base (some horribly high number).  I wonder if adult numeracy rates would improve if they just stuck with base 10 for everything.  Not sure it worked here tbh
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

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Hi :slight_smile:
Even NASA use feet and inches.  How many feet left to dock.  Even their plans to go to the moon go by feet.  I wonder if half the computers they use are purely to convert between feet and miles and another half to convert to the metric systems used by everyone else they co-ordinate with. 
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

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From: Dan Lewis <elderdanlewis@gmail.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013, 16:48
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: brochure templates for letter and A4 sizes

Europe A4 size

Perhaps that should be
"everywhere-in-the-world-except-the-United-States-and-Canada A4 size".

Brian Barker

I do not know about the rest

of the world.

I knew that Europe tend to use A4.

Why USA and Canada uses "letter size" when the rest use A4, who knows.

Here is a short history on it:

http://www.serif.com/blog/a-quick-history-on-a4-and-letter-paper-sizes/

Canada follows the US for obvious reasons. IMO, I would rather follow with the A4 and metric sizes, we should all be following the metric sizing.

Cheers,

Marc

The USA had a movement towards Metric, but it failed big-time.  We are using more metric in manufacturing, but for use in the home or business, people grew up learning the "English" system of feet/inches, pounds/ounces, cup/gallon, instead of all of the

base-ten metric measurements.

Yes, if we taught our kids from the early ages to use metric along with what we use now, maybe we can get them to be more use to the metric system so we can move to it someday as an equal to our current system.  Of course, business use letter size paper, letter size storage, letter size presentation devices to hold their letter size paper, and the list goes on and on.  All those things that are based on the letter size paper and cannot fit the A4 size paper will have to be replaced so they can fit both sizes - as a standard size - before business will be thinking about using A4 regularly.

The thing that matters most in the USA is economics. When it becomes more economical to use the metric system, we will change very rapidly. In the past, we produced soft drinks in the quart size. When the demand for packaging them in liters for sale overseas, two different measuring systems

increased their costs. So, large soft drink containers were produced exclusively in liters sizes to save money.

#14

Tom Davies wrote:

Even NASA use feet and inches.

You may recall a Mars mission that failed as it approached Mars due to unit conversion error. There was also an Air Canada plane that ran out of fuel mid flight, again due to conversion error.

#15

The international paper sizes haven't been around for ever. Every country in the word but two has jumped these hurdles already. Indeed, because everything needed is already available, it is even simpler for the last two countries to catch up.

Brian Barker

#16

Don't you realise that US companies already manufacture A4 printers (or have them manufactured elsewhere - in standards-complying countries) for export to other countries? Indeed, I bet all your current printers have the ability to print on A4 or at least the option to take an A4 tray. Any extra expense is in currently maintaining a separate size as well as the international standard.

Brian Barker

#17

Hi :slight_smile:
I thought the plane one was due to switching to using Windows which ran auto-updates in mid-flight and then forced a reboot (switching off and then switching on again).  (ie an urban myth)
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#18

Economics had nothing to do with it.

Opinions are...

Reagan was a "stick in the mud" conservative who didn't want change.
Economics would have meant moving to it, to keep up with the rest of
the world.

Economics meant it would have cost the govt a TON of money to change over.

Arguments can be made for LONG-term savings, but the reality is, short term it would be a huge expense.

#19

Tom Davies wrote:

Hi:)
I thought the plane one was due to switching to using Windows which ran auto-updates in mid-flight and then forced a reboot (switching off and then switching on again). (ie an urban myth)
Regards from
Tom:)

Read up on the "Gimli Glider". It actually happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_glider

#20

Tanstaafl wrote:

Opinions are...

Reagan was a "stick in the mud" conservative who didn't want change.
Economics would have meant moving to it, to keep up with the rest of
the world.

Economics meant it would have cost the govt a TON of money to change over.

Arguments can be made for LONG-term savings, but the reality is, short term it would be a huge expense.

The longer the wait, the greater the long term cost of remaining with an obsolete system. Regardless, my opinion of Reagan stands. He demonstrated similar behavior on other issues too. He was an old geezer who liked things the way they were, progress be damned.