Changed UI and not adapted help contents

l10n
#1

Hello @ll,
after stumbling upon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104410, I was
wondering if there are any plans to update the help files to fit the
new changed menu entries at any time in the near future.

After a short search in Bugzilla, I found Regina's bug
(https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92825) which
seems to become some kind of meta bug … :frowning: And then I found
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/RecentStringChanges,,
but both does not say about any plans to adapt the help files as
well (and especially when this will happen, so we translators can
prepare for the next flood of strings adequately … :wink: ).

Does anybody of you know a little bit more and can enlighten me,
please? So I am able to answer something like "This will be fixed in
x.y.z" to one of the next bugs I may find the next time ... :wink:
TIA
Thomas.

#2

Hi Thomas,

Hello @ll,
after stumbling upon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104410, I was
wondering if there are any plans to update the help files to fit the
new changed menu entries at any time in the near future.

After a short search in Bugzilla, I found Regina's bug
(https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92825) which
seems to become some kind of meta bug … :frowning: And then I found
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/RecentStringChanges,,
but both does not say about any plans to adapt the help files as
well (and especially when this will happen, so we translators can
prepare for the next flood of strings adequately … :wink: ).

Does anybody of you know a little bit more and can enlighten me,
please? So I am able to answer something like "This will be fixed in
x.y.z" to one of the next bugs I may find the next time ... :wink:

Yes, Olivier is monitoring and managing this and I guess you can ping
him on the documentation list, this is where the work is ongoing.
You can also monitor the progress in the ESC minutes, published each
Thursday on the dev, qa and projects lists.
Cheers
Sophie

#3

Hello Sophie, *,

after stumbling upon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104410, I

was

wondering if there are any plans to update the help files to fit
the new changed menu entries at any time in the near future.

After a short search in Bugzilla, I found Regina's bug
(https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92825)

which

seems to become some kind of meta bug ... :frowning: And then I found

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/RecentStringChanges,,

but both does not say about any plans to adapt the help files as
well (and especially when this will happen, so we translators can
prepare for the next flood of strings adequately ... :wink: ).

Does anybody of you know a little bit more and can enlighten me,
please? So I am able to answer something like "This will be fixed
in x.y.z" to one of the next bugs I may find the next time ... :wink:

Yes, Olivier is monitoring and managing this and I guess you can
ping him on the documentation list, this is where the work is
ongoing.

well, O.K. I am not subscribed to the documentation list ... :frowning:

You can also monitor the progress in the ESC minutes,
published each Thursday on the dev, qa and projects lists.

Yes, I know :slight_smile: But I was looking for an non-dev compatible site
(wiki page or whatever) where normal users / bug reporters can have
a look to see when help page X to old menu entry / feature Y will be
updated and especially when they will see this in Lo ... :wink:
Thanks for your answer
Thomas.

#4

Hi Thomas,

Hello Sophie, *,

after stumbling upon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104410, I

was

wondering if there are any plans to update the help files to fit
the new changed menu entries at any time in the near future.

After a short search in Bugzilla, I found Regina's bug
(https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92825)

which

seems to become some kind of meta bug ... :frowning: And then I found

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/RecentStringChanges,,

but both does not say about any plans to adapt the help files as
well (and especially when this will happen, so we translators can
prepare for the next flood of strings adequately ... :wink: ).

Does anybody of you know a little bit more and can enlighten me,
please? So I am able to answer something like "This will be fixed
in x.y.z" to one of the next bugs I may find the next time ... :wink:

Yes, Olivier is monitoring and managing this and I guess you can
ping him on the documentation list, this is where the work is
ongoing.

well, O.K. I am not subscribed to the documentation list ... :frowning:

Yes I realized that each time I ask you to subscribe to a new list :frowning:

You can also monitor the progress in the ESC minutes,
published each Thursday on the dev, qa and projects lists.

Yes, I know :slight_smile: But I was looking for an non-dev compatible site
(wiki page or whatever) where normal users / bug reporters can have
a look to see when help page X to old menu entry / feature Y will be
updated and especially when they will see this in Lo ... :wink:

I think Olivier will have a simplified access for you, that was only
mine I suggested :slight_smile:
Cheers
Sophie

#5

Hello Sophie, *,
[plans to adapt the help to the new menu structure]

Yes, Olivier is monitoring and managing this and I guess you can
ping him on the documentation list, this is where the work is
ongoing.

well, O.K. I am not subscribed to the documentation list ... :frowning:

Yes I realized that each time I ask you to subscribe to a new list
:frowning:

I would be glad if I have the spare time to follow all of our lists
... But alas I have not that much spare time at hand ... :frowning:

You can also monitor the progress in the ESC minutes,
published each Thursday on the dev, qa and projects lists.

Yes, I know :slight_smile: But I was looking for an non-dev compatible site
(wiki page or whatever) where normal users / bug reporters can
have a look to see when help page X to old menu entry / feature Y
will be updated and especially when they will see this in Lo ...
:wink:

I think Olivier will have a simplified access for you, that was
only mine I suggested :slight_smile:

O.K.
Thanks for your answer
Thomas.

#6

Hi Thomas

As Sophie said already, I monitor the changes and the updates of the
help contents.

A quick look at the page

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=help.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master

will show you how many changes are already done in the pages (and for
that matter, don't be surprised if the HelpContent2 of LIbreOffice 5.3
will carry a huge number of new/modified strings).

We have a metabug 80430 that collect all existing bugs related to help
contents gaps.

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=80430&hide_resolved=1

Another quick look there will tell you how much is left to do...

As we all know, we depend on volunteers to pick a help page and update
it, and it is hard to set deadlines in our case. But I can help
newcommers to write help contents.

If you notice a gap between the software and the help page, please open
a bug and make your bug be a blocker of bug 80430 so that it stays in
our list.

And if you want to know if the page is already updated but not yet in
pootle, visit vm173:

http://vm173.documentfoundaiton.org

where the recent help pages can be displayed.

Feel free to contact us anytime you need.

Kind regards

Olivier

#7

My dyslexy: http://vm173.documentfoundation.org

#8

Hello Olivier, *,

My dyslexy: http://vm173.documentfoundation.org

:slight_smile:

As Sophie said already, I monitor the changes and the updates of
the help contents.

I know :slight_smile:

A quick look at the page

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=help.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master

will show you how many changes are already done in the pages

(and

for that matter, don't be surprised if the HelpContent2 of
LIbreOffice 5.3 will carry a huge number of new/modified
strings).

O.K.

We have a metabug 80430 that collect all existing bugs related to
help contents gaps.

I know.

Another quick look there will tell you how much is left to do...

As we all know, we depend on volunteers to pick a help page and
update it, and it is hard to set deadlines in our case. But I can
help newcommers to write help contents.

O.K.

If you notice a gap between the software and the help page,
please open a bug and make your bug be a blocker of bug 80430

so

that it stays in our list.

And what about outdated help pages? Is there also a meta bug?

And if you want to know if the page is already updated but not
yet in pootle, visit vm173:

http://vm173.documentfoundaiton.org

where the recent help pages can be displayed.

O.K

Feel free to contact us anytime you need.

And who do you mean with "us" :? This list, the doc team, or someone
completely different :?
Have a nice afternoon
Thomas.
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