Conflicts?

Virgil_Arrington · July 23, 2013, 7:38pm

Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile) search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which better meets my techno-needs.

Virgil

Virgil_Arrington · July 23, 2013, 8:48pm

Yes, I should have clarified that I am running Windows 7 on a Sony Laptop.

Virgil

Tom_Davies · July 23, 2013, 11:13pm

Hi
I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them.

This link might help
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows
Regards from
Tom

Virgil_Arrington · July 24, 2013, 12:29am

Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of course.

Virgil

V_Stuart_Foote · July 24, 2013, 12:41am

Yes if one or both are fully installed (as opposed to /A administrative installs) they will interfere in subtle ways.

Actions to mitigate:

1) Disable the Quickstarter for both during installation -- the TDF LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice versions will conflict--best if both are off. Done from AppWiz.cpl and a modify installation of both.

2) Also, only one or the other should have the Windows Explorer Integration enabled (it provides a thumbnail view of ODF documents) in Desktop or Thumbnail views in Windows Explorer (Desktop and other folder views). Personally I also leave that unchecked when installing.

3) Finally, if using the "release" rather than development builds. The Windows registry will be written with file associations--the two programs should coexist to open a file type, but only one can be set as the default for any particular ODF or MS Office format. So keep track of that.

Good luck.

Steve_Edmonds · July 24, 2013, 4:33am

Hi.
I have 3.6, 4.1dev. and AOO 4.0 installed together on my mac.
Steve

V_Stuart_Foote · July 24, 2013, 5:47am

Steve,

Well yes, but Windows has completely different application configurations for the Launchers on OS X, where manipulation of each programs .APP and some Plist values.

And there are major differences in launcher setup with info.plist and each applications .app file when moving between OS X 10.6, 10.7, and 10.8--indications are that won't even run on 10.9.

And of course the mix of DE and application packaging on the Linux flavors is an interesting mix as well.

So the three primary OS environments for configuring LibreOffice are different enough that we can't generalize across the OSs even though the code base is mostly in common. That is because installation/configuration is where things diverge the most. Windows is an ugly beast. Linux Kernels and Darwin have reasonable methods for the most part. Although Unity leaves me scratching my head on occasion.

Stuart

Andrew_Brown · July 24, 2013, 7:05am

Hi Virgil

If I may offer my input here as I have and still use both, with my clients mainly. Apache OOo has deprecated slightly, i.e. it has not caught up to LibreOffice. In the overall basic user features there is not much difference, but OOo stagnated, being firstly involved in the merger from Sun Microsystems to Oracle, who did not do much with OOo. This created the fork to LO and the development of LO continued.

It was not until OOo was offered to Apache by Oracle, that it started to gain momentum again, but alas in my experience it is now playing catch-up with LO. One of the issues I have with my users using Apache OOo, is that they are able to open multiple single sessions of either Writer or Calc, and eventually their systems run out of resources and memory, generating a number of unnecessary service calls of complaints "my system is slow" etc. I have not experienced this with any clients using LO, and I am migrating my Apache OOo clients over to LO, due to this issue.

So my opinion, off the bat, LO is the better choice.

Regards

Andrew Brown

Steve_Edmonds · July 24, 2013, 8:11am

I just installed AOO4 today and find that this also (as well as LO4) no longer supports the older file formats and crashes a bit so I will probably stick with LO 3.6 for now.
steve

Andrew_Brown · July 24, 2013, 8:56am

Hi Steve

Umm!! I've not experienced this. Yes by default LO4 will load and save the new file formats, but you can change this by "File - Save as" then choose the format you want from the deopdown "Save as type" list. You can also permanently set this in "Tools - Options - Load/Save - General - Document type - Always save as". This is even true for saving in the format of MSO document types temporarily, or permanently using the latter settings.

Regards

Andrew Brown

krackedpress · July 24, 2013, 9:52am

Hi.
I have 3.6, 4.1dev. and AOO 4.0 installed together on my mac.
Steve

Yes if one or both are fully installed (as opposed to /A administrative installs) they will interfere in subtle ways.

Actions to mitigate:

1) Disable the Quickstarter for both during installation -- the TDF LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice versions will conflict--best if both are off. Done from AppWiz.cpl and a modify installation of both.

I always "disable" the Quickstart option.
In the past, having it active caused issues to updating some of the add on extensions.

Tom_Davies · July 24, 2013, 10:21am

Hi
I have it on for my colleagues to make LO start-up just that bit faster. They pick on any slightest thing as "a blocker" and slower start-up drives them up the wall. They really have no clue about adding Extensions and haven't used LO enough to grumble about any 'missing' functionality. if they did i would add the appropriate Extension for them. I already do the updates for them anyway.

Admittedly i am not in a perfect position and it's probably not a good idea to copy me. On my own logins i avoid the quick-starter because there is plenty else to get on with while waiting for something to open.
Regards from
Tom

krackedpress · July 24, 2013, 10:59am

There is an option in the Extension Manager to find updates. That is where I get the issue when I want to install the updates and sometimes the quickstarter will "block" the update, since you cannot shut down and restart LO completely with that option enabled. I do not know if it is still true with the 4.x versions, but it has been at least a year since I enabled the quickstarter option on my Ubuntu desktop and/or my Windows laptop.

Tom_Davies · July 25, 2013, 1:22pm

Hi
Thanks

It's actually easier for me to go from machine to machine and do
1. Open LibreOffice
2. Switch off quick starter
3. Install newer version of LO
4. Check for updates
5. switch on quick starter again
than to listen to them go on and on about how slow LO is to start-up. it is a little slower than MSO but not by much. perhaps if the spalsh screen and progress bar appeared earlier to give them something to look at. Anyway i really should get on and install the 4.0.4 today if i can.

Regards from
Tom

Tom_Davies · August 4, 2013, 7:35pm

Hi :)
Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet?

I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick go. I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of those buttons. However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely smoothly! lol

I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster. At the moment all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the top&bottom.

It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time.
Regards from
Tom

Tom_Davies · August 4, 2013, 7:37pm

Hi

Oops, did a bit of thread hijacking there along with other crimes! Thought i would quickly get it onto a new thread.

Regards from
Tom

From: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>; "users@openoffice.apache.org" <users@openoffice.apache.org>; "users@global.libreoffice.org" <users@global.libreoffice.org>
Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 20:35
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

Hi :)
Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet?

I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick go. I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of those buttons. However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely smoothly! lol

I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster. At the moment all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the top&bottom.

It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time.
Regards from
Tom

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From: Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>; users@openoffice.apache.org; users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 1:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of

course.

Virgil

From: Tom Davies
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 PM
To: Virgil Arrington ; users@openoffice.apache.org ;
users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

Hi
I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or
any 2 versions of AOO or OOo. Basically avoid having both open at the same
time. That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them.

This link might help
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows
Regards from
Tom

Virgil_Arrington · August 4, 2013, 10:28pm

To me, the AOO sidebar properties panel adds nothing. As you said, it only duplicates the top toolbar. More importantly (for me at least), the styles panel is buried *beneath* the properties panel. With LO, this is where I dock the styles panel. So, now, with AOO, I have to do an extra click to gain access to the styles panel. I've tried several times to find a way to put the styles panel on top (as I have absolutely no need for the properties panel), and I have yet to find a way that works. I may be missing something that the AOO folks can explain to me.

I understand that the properties panel was taken from the Symphony user interface. But, much, much, more desirable would have been Symphony's tabbed document interface. So many programs have it, and it is soooooo useful that I don't understand why neither LO nor AOO have adopted it (yet).

Virgil

Tom_Davies · August 4, 2013, 10:32pm

Hi
+1
wrt to the tabs

Also
+1
wrt the bad first stab at side-toolbar

Hopefully these things will change in some future release. Hopefully as Extensions that could be used in LO
Regards from
Tom

Rory_O_Farrell · August 5, 2013, 3:03am

The individual toolbars and the sidebar are all separately switchable on/off in a standard AOO 4.0 installation.

Switching off standard toolbars releases space at screen top; using Sidebar uses side space. If one wishes even more vertical space one can (Operating system dependent) often turn a wide monitor on its side.

Tanstaafl · August 5, 2013, 2:33pm

To be fair, it was a 'first effort'...

Once it is more mature, I think it will be an excellent option, especially when it *replaces* the top menu bars - this will be a much better layout for anyone using widescreen monitors.

I'm now wondering if this will always be optional? In my opinion, this should be similar to other programs, like, for example, Tree Style Tab extension for Firefox, that lets you put tabs on the side - meaning, it is either/or, not in addition to...