Document Page Numbering Problems

Hello,

I'm using Libreoffice Writer now. I'd created a document in Microsoft Word
earlier. Then I got Libreoffice software, and when I use my manuscript file
to save as another file (in Libreoffice), the page numbering screws up. When
there are 3 digits in a page number, it puts the first 2 digits on a line
and the third digit below that. That's messed up.

How can I correct this? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

I'm using Libreoffice Writer now. I'd created a document in Microsoft Word earlier. Then I got Libreoffice software, and when I use my manuscript file to save as another file (in Libreoffice), the page numbering screws up. When there are 3 digits in a page number, it puts the first 2 digits on a line and the third digit below that. That's messed up.

Indeed it is! And since that is not the way that LibreOffice Writer behaves, the question is: why have you done it that way?

How can I correct this?

That depends on exactly how you have contrived to create the problem. Microsoft Word has some fancy ways of formatting a page number in a header or footer, some of which will not even save in its older .doc file format. Have you perhaps used one of those? In any case, it seems likely that the space available for your page numbers is too small, so that the text flows naturally to another line when necessary. You may well find that simply reducing the font size of the page numbers will solve the problem. Alternatively you may be able to expand the frame, table cell, or whatever is restricting the text.

In any case, it would be a matter of only a few moments to remove the existing page numbers (and perhaps the header or footer) and then re-create them using LibreOffice's own facilities.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

Brian,
Thanks for your information. First, let me say that the reason I'm doing it this way is that I'd been using an older computer in which I had Windows XP. I bought a new computer and the technician suggested using Libreoffice (free of charge) software for writing, etc. Well, my old files were written in Microsoft Word. So, I now wanted to use the Libreoffice Writer software to make changes in the manuscripts. This was where I encountered the problem. 
So far as eliminating the footer (page numbers) is concerned, I'd have no idea how to do this, but it now appears that it's a moot issue, because I got so fed up with Libreoffice that I downloaded some fairly pricey Microsoft software that I've already (as of this afternoon) started using. It works beautifully -- smoothly, efficiently, and like a charm. 
Thanks anyway for offering to help with the Libreoffice matter. No better than I am in computer-land, I need some very efficient software that assumes only minimal computer expertise. It looks as if Microsoft is willing to provide that -- in the event that we're willing to pay for it. 
Joseph

I'm using Libreoffice Writer now. I'd created a document in
Microsoft Word earlier. Then I got Libreoffice software, and when I
use my manuscript file to save as another file (in Libreoffice), the
page numbering screws up. When there are 3 digits in a page number,
it puts the first 2 digits on a line and the third digit below that.
That's messed up.

Indeed it is! And since that is not the way that LibreOffice Writer
behaves, the question is: why have you done it that way?

How can I correct this?

That depends on exactly how you have contrived to create the problem.
Microsoft Word has some fancy ways of formatting a page number in a
header or footer, some of which will not even save in its older .doc
file format. Have you perhaps used one of those? In any case, it
seems likely that the space available for your page numbers is too
small, so that the text flows naturally to another line when
necessary. You may well find that simply reducing the font size of
the page numbers will solve the problem. Alternatively you may be
able to expand the frame, table cell, or whatever is restricting the text.

In any case, it would be a matter of only a few moments to remove the
existing page numbers (and perhaps the header or footer) and then
re-create them using LibreOffice's own facilities.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

I'm using Libreoffice Writer now. I'd created a document in Microsoft Word earlier. Then I got Libreoffice software, and when I use my manuscript file to save as another file (in Libreoffice), the page numbering screws up. When there are 3 digits in a page number, it puts the first 2 digits on a line and the third digit below that. That's messed up.

Indeed it is! And since that is not the way that LibreOffice Writer behaves, the question is: why have you done it that way?

How can I correct this?

That depends on exactly how you have contrived to create the problem. Microsoft Word has some fancy ways of formatting a page number in a header or footer, some of which will not even save in its older .doc file format. Have you perhaps used one of those? In any case, it seems likely that the space available for your page numbers is too small, so that the text flows naturally to another line when necessary. You may well find that simply reducing the font size of the page numbers will solve the problem. Alternatively you may be able to expand the frame, table cell, or whatever is restricting the text.

In any case, it would be a matter of only a few moments to remove the existing page numbers (and perhaps the header or footer) and then re-create them using LibreOffice's own facilities.

Thanks for your information. First, let me say that the reason I'm doing it this way is that I'd been using an older computer in which I had Windows XP. I bought a new computer and the technician suggested using Libreoffice (free of charge) software for writing, etc. Well, my old files were written in Microsoft Word. So, I now wanted to use the Libreoffice Writer software to make changes in the manuscripts. This was where I encountered the problem.

Sorry, but this doesn't answer my question. It was perfectly clear that you wanted to edit a Microsoft Word document in LibreOffice - the details don't matter. My point was that your problem was that you appeared to have used some obscure page number layout in Microsoft Word that was creating a problem for you unnecessarily. I know this because, much as I tried to reproduce your problem in a Microsoft Word document transferred to LibreOffice, I couldn't!

Incidentally, you may well have been able to transfer your existing licence for Microsoft Word to your new system anyway.

So far as eliminating the footer (page numbers) is concerned, I'd have no idea how to do this, ...

Whenever you use new software, surely it stands to reason that you will have no idea how to do many things? But finding out - through the help text, the documentation, web searches, asking for help, and so on - can be a matter of moments.

... but it now appears that it's a moot issue, because I got so fed up with Libreoffice ...

Wow: that was fast!

... that I downloaded some fairly pricey Microsoft software that I've already (as of this afternoon) started using. It works beautifully -- smoothly, efficiently, and like a charm.

I suspect those are descriptions that many of the millions of users of LibreOffice will also attribute to that product. It's worth saying that you would have learned to use Microsoft Word over a period: no-one unfamiliar with it would find it "smooth and efficient" in an afternoon. And if you chose to transfer to LibreOffice (or any other product), you would certainly need to spend a little time getting used to it. Of course, trying to get one product to handle the results of another is probably an unfair test anyway - whichever way around. Perhaps you fell into the trap of expecting LibreOffice to be a clone of Microsoft Office with a very different price tag? Perhaps that's the idea the technician wanted to give.

Thanks anyway for offering to help with the Libreoffice matter. No better than I am in computer-land, I need some very efficient software that assumes only minimal computer expertise. It looks as if Microsoft is willing to provide that -- in the event that we're willing to pay for it.

You say you had been using Microsoft Office, so you no doubt understand its ways. Your current experience, then, does not indicate that it "assumes only minimal expertise"; like any software, it assumes some expertise in using itself - which you clearly already have. Had you persevered beyond an afternoon, you could have transferred your skills fairly simply to LibreOffice.

Mind you, I should make clear that (unlike some other adherents of open source software) I'm happy for anyone to make his or her own choices of software, and I'm delighted that you are now happy with your "fairly pricey" solution.

Brian Barker

I'm using Libreoffice Writer now. I'd created a document in Microsoft Word earlier. Then I got Libreoffice software, and when I use my manuscript file to save as another file (in Libreoffice), the page numbering screws up. When there are 3 digits in a page number, it puts the first 2 digits on a line and the third digit below that. That's messed up.

Indeed it is! And since that is not the way that LibreOffice Writer behaves, the question is: why have you done it that way?

How can I correct this?

That depends on exactly how you have contrived to create the problem. Microsoft Word has some fancy ways of formatting a page number in a header or footer, some of which will not even save in its older .doc file format. Have you perhaps used one of those? In any case, it seems likely that the space available for your page numbers is too small, so that the text flows naturally to another line when necessary. You may well find that simply reducing the font size of the page numbers will solve the problem. Alternatively you may be able to expand the frame, table cell, or whatever is restricting the text.

In any case, it would be a matter of only a few moments to remove the existing page numbers (and perhaps the header or footer) and then re-create them using LibreOffice's own facilities.

Thanks for your information. First, let me say that the reason I'm doing it this way is that I'd been using an older computer in which I had Windows XP. I bought a new computer and the technician suggested using Libreoffice (free of charge) software for writing, etc. Well, my old files were written in Microsoft Word. So, I now wanted to use the Libreoffice Writer software to make changes in the manuscripts. This was where I encountered the problem.

Sorry, but this doesn't answer my question. It was perfectly clear that you wanted to edit a Microsoft Word document in LibreOffice - the details don't matter. My point was that your problem was that you appeared to have used some obscure page number layout in Microsoft Word that was creating a problem for you unnecessarily. I know this because, much as I tried to reproduce your problem in a Microsoft Word document transferred to LibreOffice, I couldn't!

Incidentally, you may well have been able to transfer your existing licence for Microsoft Word to your new system anyway.

Yes, if you have deleted the MS Office package off the original computer, and put it on the new one, you should be able to use it that way. Transferring MS software over to a new system after you removed it for the old one should work. The only problem is the statements like the one I saw when I bought Win7 Pro. It was a "single system OEM version and cannot be transferred to a different system". It was less pricey than the "full version" that can be transfered to a new system when your old one breaks down. So it really depends which "style" Office install you buy.

Right now, I have bought a new "full version", and not an upgrade, of a graphics/photo editing software [X5 upgraded to X7] and I have installed the new version on the same system as the older version. So now I will install on, and transfer the licence, to a different Win7 system. Both systems are laptops.

So far as eliminating the footer (page numbers) is concerned, I'd have no idea how to do this, ...

Whenever you use new software, surely it stands to reason that you will have no idea how to do many things? But finding out - through the help text, the documentation, web searches, asking for help, and so on - can be a matter of moments.

... but it now appears that it's a moot issue, because I got so fed up with Libreoffice ...

Wow: that was fast!

... that I downloaded some fairly pricey Microsoft software that I've already (as of this afternoon) started using. It works beautifully -- smoothly, efficiently, and like a charm.

I suspect those are descriptions that many of the millions of users of LibreOffice will also attribute to that product. It's worth saying that you would have learned to use Microsoft Word over a period: no-one unfamiliar with it would find it "smooth and efficient" in an afternoon. And if you chose to transfer to LibreOffice (or any other product), you would certainly need to spend a little time getting used to it. Of course, trying to get one product to handle the results of another is probably an unfair test anyway - whichever way around. Perhaps you fell into the trap of expecting LibreOffice to be a clone of Microsoft Office with a very different price tag? Perhaps that's the idea the technician wanted to give.

Thanks anyway for offering to help with the Libreoffice matter. No better than I am in computer-land, I need some very efficient software that assumes only minimal computer expertise. It looks as if Microsoft is willing to provide that -- in the event that we're willing to pay for it.

You say you had been using Microsoft Office, so you no doubt understand its ways. Your current experience, then, does not indicate that it "assumes only minimal expertise"; like any software, it assumes some expertise in using itself - which you clearly already have. Had you persevered beyond an afternoon, you could have transferred your skills fairly simply to LibreOffice.

I guess[hope] the OP wanted to upgrade the version of MS Office he was using on the old XP system. I have a doubt that the OP had one of the last two version of MSO installed on XP. They might either be too slow or could have just not wanted to be installed on such an old OS. I sure have seen a lot of software that no longer will install on XP. Actually, it has been at least 6 months since I had my hands on an XP box, since I tended to switch them over to Linux when MS stopped supporting XP.

I'm not an expert, but I believe not. As you say, the Windows operating system certainly works this way: a copy you purchase with a new computer cannot be transferred. But I don't think this generally applies to Microsoft's application software, such as Office.

Brian Barker

Microsoft Office is distributed under a number of different licenses,
whose terms and conditions may include one of more of the following:
* Re-installable on the same computer;
* Not re-installable on the same computer;

* Transferable to a new computer;
* Not transferable to a new computer;

* Cloud only: not transferable to a new computer;
* Cloud only: transferable to a new computer;
* Cloud only: transferable between existing computers;

As a general rule of thumb:
* The more frequently one makes a payment, the less the license allows
one to;
* The higher the payment, the more the license allows one to do;

Some license options (with the resulting cost difference) are only
available in specific geographical areas.

jonathon

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No, not copy bought with a new computer. Photo software I bought and installed on a laptop - full version, not n upgrade - was version X5. I installed a full version bundle of X7 and a video package in that system, so now I can use the X5 version for the other laptop that has a really old version of the software [from XP days].

I have not tried "single system OEM" Windows OS versions when replacing a bad hard drive. It should work, I hope, since it is the same system, but it may not. Not tired it on any OS newer than XP, and those had license tags on the system's case. I do have "refurbished" systems that came with Win7 and shockingly comes with the Win7 discs. I am hoping that I can use these for drive replacements on systems that have the Win7 license tags on the systems needing either a replacement drive, or a full drive wipe/reformat for really bad infections and/or package slowing the systems down to a crawl.

I agree that if you have a package that was installed on a newly purchased system, and if you are shocked that you get discs for the package[s], you have a problem installing the package on other systems. Sometimes these packages have routines to check what system you are installing them on. HP included package "might" install on "similar" HP systems, but not on a Gateway or other non-HP system.

New systems usually get a trial of MS Office or maybe some get a trial of their cloud Office package.

As for "styles" of MSO, yes that is a pricing and usage decision I do not have to make. Offline based editing and storage, vs. online/cloud based editing and storage. There are a lot of package options to choose from, and getting the "wrong" one can happen more often than you might want.

I would avoid using their cloud office package since there are still owner rights issues for things stored on some online/cloud office and editing packages. Plus most of the time, outside my home/office I do not have access to the Internet via wifi or wired options.

I have not bought MS Office since MSO 2003-ish. I run Linux by default so MSO is not an option there, but my two laptops dual boot from Linux [Linux Mint 17 and Ubuntu 14.04] and Windows [Win7/home and Win7/pro], so I can deal with some Windows only packages, along with the new video editing software I am now learning how to use.