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Hello, being an extensive user of LibO rather than iWorks or MSO on my Mac (OS X 10.6.6), the (only) one thing that tempers delight is the "blurred" unsharp display of text in documents. Currently, I am writing rather long reports for my work, and I employed Latin Modern Roman (version 2 or so) 11pt as the main document text. (I was playing around with many more fonts, just to mention.) However, whatever font size, document zoom or user interface zoom I use, the only one usable fonts are the ones from the DejaVue font family -- yet, also here the display is far away from a clean sharp display as I can find in Pages or MSW. I was just wondering whether there is upcoming development on that issue (obviously only a Mac one), or if there is simple tricks to make fonts display clear, sharp, and reader-friendly. Thanks for comments and tipps. Bests, *S*
I was going to try your font here, iMac with 10.6.7, but I don't have it on my system.
Is it a free font that can be downloaded from somewhere? If I did download, it would have to the exact same file as you are using.
Side by side, the LO blank page seems to be slightly grayish, where the Pages is white. That may account for some of the difference.
I used Times Roman, 11 point, and couldn't tell any real difference.
From a cynical point of view, be glad you are not using Windows. LOL They used to have a lousy screen display, I don't know why. I had older computers and operating systems that far exceeded the Windows display. I haven't paid enough attention lately to know if they've solved that issue or not.
Ken
You can download the bundle of Latin Modern Fonts at:
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/latin-modern
There is a Wiki on DejaVu Fonts, here:
http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Main_Page
However, both font families were installed on my system, I guess, Latin Modern through MacTeX and DejaVu through LibO.
*S*
Hello, being an extensive user of LibO rather than iWorks or
MSO on my Mac (OS X 10.6.6), the (only) one thing that tempers
delight is the "blurred" unsharp display of text in documents.
Currently, I am writing rather long reports for my work, and I
employed Latin Modern Roman (version 2 or so) 11pt as the main
document text. (I was playing around with many more fonts,
just to mention.) However, whatever font size, document zoom
or user interface zoom I use, the only one usable fonts are
the ones from the DejaVue font family -- yet, also here the
display is far away from a clean sharp display as I can find
in Pages or MSW. I was just wondering whether there is
upcoming development on that issue (obviously only a Mac one),
or if there is simple tricks to make fonts display clear,
sharp, and reader-friendly. Thanks for comments and tipps.
Bests, *S*I was going to try your font here, iMac with 10.6.7, but I don't have it on my system.
Is it a free font that can be downloaded from somewhere? If I did download, it would have to the exact same file as you are using.
Side by side, the LO blank page seems to be slightly grayish, where the Pages is white. That may account for some of the difference.
I used Times Roman, 11 point, and couldn't tell any real difference.
From a cynical point of view, be glad you are not using Windows. LOL They used to have a lousy screen display, I don't know why. I had older computers and operating systems that far exceeded the Windows display. I haven't paid enough attention lately to know if they've solved that issue or not.
You can download the bundle of Latin Modern Fonts at:
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/latin-modern
There is a Wiki on DejaVu Fonts, here:
http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Main_Page
However, both font families were installed on my system, I guess, Latin Modern through MacTeX and DejaVu through LibO.
I have a macbook pro 13", 10.6.7, and all my fonts are sharp in LO 3.3.2, even on the small screen. Can you use the application Grab to provide an illustration of the blurred text.
Have you got "Use LCD font smoothing.." ticked under System
Appearance
steve
Fonts appear sharp in LibO on my 13" MacBook (OS X version 10.6.7) and on my 24" Samsung external monitor. I see no difference in sharpness between LibO and Pages.
Larry
A roadblock here...
The Latin-Modern fonts are Postscript, and I don't know how to handle them on a Mac. In my Windows days, it wouldn't be a problem.
Any idea how to deal with it to save me some time in Googling all over the world? 
The Deja-Vu is something else all together. 
I've downloaded both the zip and tar.bz2 files, and get nowhere. Attempting to open them just takes me in some kind of loop from one compressed file format to another and back. Even tried opening the zip file in Windows using WinRAR, and it says the compressed file has nothing in it.
Any thoughts?
Ken
I thought the Latin-Modern to select should be the OTF fonts. 72 of
them. These should install to the mac in one of 2 ways.
http://www.myfonts.com/support/help_install_mac.html
http://www.switchingtomac.com/tutorials/how-to-install-fonts-in-os-x/
I just downloaded *2.33/dejavu-fonts-ttf-2.33.zip
<http://sourceforge.net/projects/dejavu/files/dejavu/2.33/dejavu-fonts-ttf-2.33.zip>
*from the link, unzipped it and the fonts were there*.
steve
my aplogies, I have tried 4x to attempt to remove my self form ALL
Libre Office Mailing Lists, using instructions provided, and to no
avail I continue get tons of LO email.
Who do I ask next to have my name removed from ALL LO email?
Thank you.
Hi, Steve,
Thanks for the info, please see below...
You can download the bundle of Latin Modern Fonts at:
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/latin-modern
There is a Wiki on DejaVu Fonts, here:
http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Main_Page
However, both font families were installed on my system, I guess, Latin
Modern through MacTeX and DejaVu through LibO.A roadblock here...
The Latin-Modern fonts are Postscript, and I don't know how to handle
them on a Mac. In my Windows days, it wouldn't be a problem.Any idea how to deal with it to save me some time in Googling all over
the world?The Deja-Vu is something else all together.
I've downloaded both the zip and tar.bz2 files, and get nowhere.
Attempting to open them just takes me in some kind of loop from one
compressed file format to another and back. Even tried opening the
zip file in Windows using WinRAR, and it says the compressed file has
nothing in it.Any thoughts?
I thought the Latin-Modern to select should be the OTF fonts. 72 of
them. These should install to the mac in one of 2 ways.
http://www.myfonts.com/support/help_install_mac.html
http://www.switchingtomac.com/tutorials/how-to-install-fonts-in-os-x/
Two things, I didn't remember that OTF stood for Open Type Fonts, and I didn't know that OS X supported OTF and Postscript fonts. But I did know that System 9 could be used, so it was my assumption that Postscript was the format I needed to install. It's been over 10 years since I actively dealt with different font formats. I just went with whatever fonts were installed on my system.
I'll try those out tomorrow afternoon.
My interest in really digging into a particular OS to find out what can actually be done with an OS has been dormant for a number of years. I just wanted to turn the darn thing on and use it with no problems. But of late, I've burned a couple Linux Live CD's to see what that hullabaloo is all about, the the visual appearance of some of them have resparked that interest! I like to actually use a computer, I really could care less about the programming and hardware end of the package.
I just downloaded *2.33/dejavu-fonts-ttf-2.33.zip
<http://sourceforge.net/projects/dejavu/files/dejavu/2.33/dejavu-fonts-ttf-2.33.zip>
*from the link, unzipped it and the fonts were there*.
steve
*
I found the problem, although I have no explanation as to why this happens. And... I've never had it happen before...
A lot of pages/links for downloading end up opening a blank tab in your browser when you left click on it. So, by habit at my end, I right click and select "Save Link As" so I don't end up with an "Untitled" and empty tab. And I end up with the screwed up zip file. I even tried it again after reading your post. FF 3.6.16, haven't taken the FF 4 plunge yet.
But... If I left click on the link, either yours or the one you can get to by following Sascha's link, the zip file downloads and extracts as it should.
I have *no* explanation as to why.
Ken
> > > Hello, being an extensive user of LibO rather than iWorks > > or MSO on my Mac (OS X 10.6.6), the (only) one thing that > > tempers delight is the "blurred" unsharp display of text > > in documents.
[...]
I have a macbook pro 13", 10.6.7, and all my fonts are sharp in LO 3.3.2, even on the small screen. Can you use the application Grab to provide an illustration of the blurred text. Have you got "Use LCD font smoothing.." ticked under System Preferences> Appearance
Hi Steve, I didn't find any restrictions concerning attachments on this mailing list, so I try my best. Attached a PNG file, upper half with a screen shot of LibO 3.3.1., lower half with one of Pages. Both display some text in either Latin Modern Roman 11 (upper) or Times 11 (lower). Note that the Pages page had to be scaled to 150% to achieve the same size on the screen as with LibO 100% (document scaling and user interface scaling). I am aware that this PNG is no high end image, however, if you zoom to 100% the differences becomes apparent. In the upper picture m's, o's, everything seems to have a grey shade, the characters seem to be plotted twice in slightly different positions, while in the lower half (Pages) all characters stand clearly in line, have clear shapes, are generally better readable. Note that for me this is no point to trash LibO, however, just that you say that you don't see any difference on your machine makes me curious. The "Use LCD font..." option is checked, so are the anti-aliasing options in LibO. *S*
Good eye Sascha!!!!! LO appears to have a problem. But then, so does Pages! LOL
Downloaded and installed the latest version of LO.
After figuring out which font was what between LO and Pages (I don't own MS Office for Mac) as the name of a font is displayed differently between the two programs, I tried a number of fonts, not just the Latin Modern and DejaVu fonts you mentioned.
Every font I tried, serif and san serif has the same problem. Wherever there is a font character with a horizontal surface, there is ghosting on the horizontal surfaces of the character. Also, at different font sizes, colors, and zoom levels.
Pages will do it too, at least on my iMac. Set the font to 48 pt., and zoom to 400%. It's not as noticeable, but it's there.
And LO Calc and Numbers have the same problem with the ghosting.
Since *all* fonts seem to have this problem, logic dictates the problem is not the font structure, but the way all four programs are rendering it.
Which brings up the question, could a portion of the issue be hardware related, and how the hardware reacts to the commands received from the software? But obviously, Pages and Numbers does a better job of rendering the font on the screen.
As a cross check, I installed the latest version of LO on my dual-boot Windows system, XP Pro and Vista Ultimate. ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP graphics, Aero Theme capable. HP 9500 19" CRT.
Basically did the same thing as I did on the Mac, but didn't load your fonts. And only with Writer. Absolutely no problem with the display. However, it is a Windows machine, and another machine with a different or lower quality graphics card may have issues.
I'm not at all familiar about how bug reporting is done, maybe there will be some reader of this message that can check to see if it's been reported.
When I first got this Mac, I also noticed that Pages and Numbers cannot zoom to the proper size. 100% is definitely not 100% for a WYSIWYG display. I have iWork 09, I don't know if it's been fixed in a newer version.
As soon as I discovered that, I went looking for something else. First Open Office, then NeoOffice, and now Libre Office.
Ken
________________________________
From: Ken Springer <snowshed@dishmail.net>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Sun, 17 April, 2011 1:31:09
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Font display in LibreOffice documents
On 4/15/11 1:06 PM, Sascha Vieweg wrote:
Hello, being an extensive user of LibO rather than iWorks or MSO on my
Mac (OS X 10.6.6), the (only) one thing that tempers delight is the
"blurred" unsharp display of text in documents. Currently, I am writing
rather long reports for my work, and I employed Latin Modern Roman
(version 2 or so) 11pt as the main document text. (I was playing around
with many more fonts, just to mention.) However, whatever font size,
document zoom or user interface zoom I use, the only one usable fonts
are the ones from the DejaVue font family -- yet, also here the display
is far away from a clean sharp display as I can find in Pages or MSW. I
was just wondering whether there is upcoming development on that issue
(obviously only a Mac one), or if there is simple tricks to make fonts
display clear, sharp, and reader-friendly. Thanks for comments and
tipps. Bests, *S*
Good eye Sascha!!!!! LO appears to have a problem. But then, so does Pages!
LOL
Downloaded and installed the latest version of LO.
After figuring out which font was what between LO and Pages (I don't own MS
Office for Mac) as the name of a font is displayed differently between the two
programs, I tried a number of fonts, not just the Latin Modern and DejaVu fonts
you mentioned.
Every font I tried, serif and san serif has the same problem. Wherever there is
a font character with a horizontal surface, there is ghosting on the horizontal
surfaces of the character. Also, at different font sizes, colors, and zoom
levels.
Pages will do it too, at least on my iMac. Set the font to 48 pt., and zoom to
400%. It's not as noticeable, but it's there.
And LO Calc and Numbers have the same problem with the ghosting.
Since *all* fonts seem to have this problem, logic dictates the problem is not
the font structure, but the way all four programs are rendering it.
Which brings up the question, could a portion of the issue be hardware related,
and how the hardware reacts to the commands received from the software? But
obviously, Pages and Numbers does a better job of rendering the font on the
screen.
As a cross check, I installed the latest version of LO on my dual-boot Windows
system, XP Pro and Vista Ultimate. ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP graphics, Aero Theme
capable. HP 9500 19" CRT.
Basically did the same thing as I did on the Mac, but didn't load your fonts.
And only with Writer. Absolutely no problem with the display. However, it is a
Windows machine, and another machine with a different or lower quality graphics
card may have issues.
I'm not at all familiar about how bug reporting is done, maybe there will be
some reader of this message that can check to see if it's been reported.
When I first got this Mac, I also noticed that Pages and Numbers cannot zoom to
the proper size. 100% is definitely not 100% for a WYSIWYG display. I have
iWork 09, I don't know if it's been fixed in a newer version.
As soon as I discovered that, I went looking for something else. First Open
Office, then NeoOffice, and now Libre Office.
Ken
Hi
I'm not sure about bug-reporting either but ages ago was given this link
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
I hope that helps!
Good luck and regards from
Tom