Font Substitution

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#1

What is the quickest way to determine if fonts are being substituted by Writer and what those substitutions are?

Cheers,
               tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

#2

Hi Tod,

Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 18:50)

What is the quickest way to determine if fonts are being substituted by Writer and what those substitutions are?

Isn't that indicated in the window Paragraph style, at the tab Font, in the lower half?
(Have no example at hand, as far as I know).

#3

The Font Replacement Table is show by Tools>Options>LibreOffice>Fonts

#4

Thank you. That will be useful. I currently have no mappings.

I'm still trying to figure out if LibreOffice will show me if a font is missing. As far as I can tell, it shows the font that is set for that text, even if it is not on the system. The only way to tell that what is on screen in substituted is to determine that you don't actually have that font.

I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document references a font that is not available.

Cheers,
               tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

#5

Well, it does not alert you with a sudden, loud warning sound and red
lights, but it lets you see if a certain font is actually available or
not.

At least in the "Character" properties (right click, Character...),
"Font" tab. Here "Paragraph..." has no such tab, but if it shows one,
it's probably just like the one from "Character...".

If the font in use is installed and can be used for printing, you will see

   The same font will be used on both your printer and your screen.

(screenshot: http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/483/chardlgok.png)

Otherwise, it will say

   This font has not been installed. The closest available font will be
   used.

(screenshot: http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6444/chardlg.png)

And I guess for some fonts there will be a message saying these will
look different on your printer, but I don't have any of these installed.

#6

Yes. That is an issue. Having the document saved with Caslon 540 BT, and you do not have that font installed.

I came across this issue myself. It showed a font in the list for the font of the document, but I had not installed it.

I just remembered having this extension available. It might help.
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/add-ons-extensions/testFontsJTB.oxt

#7

Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 21:45)

I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document references a font that is not available.

Well, pls read the reply that I had send before.
And see the nice image that Nuno has made for you :slight_smile:

#8

It guess the question then would be: what is the 'closest available
font' that will be used?

In OOo 3.2 you could look at the VCL.xcu file and somewhat figure it
out. However after 3.2 their is no longer a VCL.xcu and I've no idea
what is used as the replacement.

#9

Here is a document is something I made in 2006 from various sources about look-alike font. This is a manual version to help deal with fonts and what ones work. It was created to deal with web pages and dealing with installed fonts on the computer and CSS name lists so the page will display properly. It may no help with what LO will use as a substitute, but it might be a good reference for some people.

libreoffice-na.us/other/look-alike-fonts-list-27-page-3-column.pdf <http://www.libreoffice-na.us/other/look-alike-fonts-list-27-page-3-column.pdf> [actually 26 pages for this version 22 page at 8 point display font]

For the font called Broadway, here is what the list shows as it look-alike fonts
    Bravo
    Big City
    Deco
    Hudson
    Moderne
    Ritz
    Showtime
    Superb

#10

Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 21:45)

I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document
references a font that is not available.

Well, pls read the reply that I had send before. And see the nice
image that Nuno has made for you :slight_smile:

It guess the question then would be: what is the 'closest available
font' that will be used?

In OOo 3.2 you could look at the VCL.xcu file and somewhat figure it
out. However after 3.2 their is no longer a VCL.xcu and I've no idea
what is used as the replacement.

...

Here is a document is something I made in 2006 from various sources
about look-alike font. This is a manual version to help deal with fonts
and what ones work. It was created to deal with web pages and dealing
with installed fonts on the computer and CSS name lists so the page will
display properly. It may no help with what LO will use as a substitute,
but it might be a good reference for some people.

libreoffice-na.us/other/look-alike-fonts-list-27-page-3-column.pdf
<http://www.libreoffice-na.us/other/look-alike-fonts-list-27-page-3-column.pdf>
[actually 26 pages for this version 22 page at 8 point display font]

For the font called Broadway, here is what the list shows as it
look-alike fonts
    Bravo
    Big City
    Deco
    Hudson
    Moderne
    Ritz
    Showtime
    Superb

I created a simple doc with a fictitious font 'supercalifrag' and then
exported as a PDF/1 and the default (on my system) ends up as DejaVuSans
(Embedded Subset). That seems to be the hardwired font included in LO
3.x. But I don't know how to test with others (Asian etc). But the
question still remains as to how to determine what the substitute font
is/will be. And without the VLC.xcu file I've no idea where to look next.

#11

Thanks for the image and explanation. Since I no longer have a missing font document, I was not sure if that dialog would offer any help.

Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 18:50)

What is the quickest way to determine if fonts are being
substituted by Writer and what those substitutions are?

Isn't that indicated in the window Paragraph style, at the tab Font,
in the lower half?
(Have no example at hand, as far as I know).

The Font Replacement Table is show by Tools>Options>LibreOffice>Fonts

Thank you. That will be useful. I currently have no mappings.

I'm still trying to figure out if LibreOffice will show me if a font
is missing. As far as I can tell, it shows the font that is set for
that text, even if it is not on the system. The only way to tell that
what is on screen in substituted is to determine that you don't
actually have that font.

I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document
references a font that is not available.

Well, it does not alert you with a sudden, loud warning sound and red
lights, but it lets you see if a certain font is actually available or
not.

At least in the "Character" properties (right click, Character...),
"Font" tab. Here "Paragraph..." has no such tab, but if it shows one,
it's probably just like the one from "Character...".

If the font in use is installed and can be used for printing, you will see

  The same font will be used on both your printer and your screen.

(screenshot: http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/483/chardlgok.png)

Otherwise, it will say

  This font has not been installed. The closest available font will be
  used.

(screenshot: http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6444/chardlg.png)

And I guess for some fonts there will be a message saying these will
look different on your printer, but I don't have any of these installed.

--
Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg)
gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg

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Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com