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hi,
just started using libreoffice in ubuntu lucid,version is 3.3.2.
i tried to insert a table & wrote something in it.saved it as .docx and
closed libreoffice.then again opened the document using libreoffice
itself.the last column of the table is going outside the page boundary.this
made the last column invisible for all practical purposes.
i would like to know the mistake i am doing and how to solve it.
i am attaching 3 files here--
.odt-what i have written
.doc-what i am expecting
.docx-what i am getting
please help me and thanks in advance
Hi 
Attachments get removed before the email gets to the list. Can you upload the
files somewhere and then give us a link? Alternatively you could use my private
email address (use copy&paste rather than just "Reply to") to send the
attachments to although i only have a limited idea of what might have happened.
The Doc format is much better than the DocX for sharing with other people. Even
DocX files made in MS Office 2007 tend to go a bit wrong when viewed with MS
Office 2010 and similarly the other way around. Of course any MS Office before
their 2007 can't read DocX at all.
MS Office 2007 was the first MS Office to be able to read OdT format but they
use the old spec despite the newer spec being easier to find out about and
implement. The DocX spec is very secretive and even MS don't implement it
properly. So, it's better to use the older Doc format so that almost anyone can
open the document.
To increase compatibility with MS Office go up to the "Tools" menu and then
right down to "Options" at the bottom. The pop-up contains many useful settings
and is well worth having a look at but for now just click on the + beside
"Load/Save, then click on "General". Somewhere in the middle is "ODF Format
Version". Change the drop-down beside that from "1.2 Extended (recommended)" to
"1.0/1.1". Files saved in that format should be easily opened in MS Office just
by double-clicking on them. If you look just under there you can change the
"Text Document" format to "Microsoft Word (98/2000/Xp)". Similarly for
Spreadsheets and presentations although for those 2 you need to scroll back up
the list 2 places instead of just 1 otherwise documents get saved as templates
which gets really messy.
Good luck and regards from
Tom
i will definitely send the attachments to you.i have not checked the files
yet with MS office.i am wondering because-created the documents in
libreoffice,saved them and reopened them & this changed the document
totally!!!!!!!!!!!!!libreoffice itself could not open the document it
created properly!!!!!
anyway i will send you the documents.have a look.i will try to use odt as
much as possible and thanks for the direction for playing with the settings.
Hi
Sorry it has taken me so long to reply. I can confirm the behaviour so it's
worth posting a bug-report about it. There might already be a bug-report but
because it's a proprietary format it might be difficult to get fixed so don't
expect swift results!
Weirdly i opened the DocX in MS Office 2007 and found that it looked fine, just
like the Doc format. The Odt format wouldn't open even after i re-saved it as
version 1.0/1.1. So, your DocX looks fine in MS Office 2007 but just looks
weird in LibreOffice.
The DocX opened fine in LibreOffice 3.3.2 but had the same problem with the
table stretching off the page. I switched to
View - Webpage and dragged the table back within the normal page view and saved
the page again but suffered the same problem.
DocX just wont work with this table in LibreOffice and i don't know why. DocX
does often have troubles of this sort so it's best to stick with Doc. DocX
'should' be smaller (as 'should' Odt) because they are compressed files. You
can even read them with an archive manager such as WinRar or WinZip although the
results show a folder containing the different parts of the file = it's very
weird but worth trying as it can be a really cool way of recovering parts of a
document that seems hopelessly corrupted and unrecoverable.
Regards from
Tom
forgot to say that i have done the dragging part already.
so,docx is working properly in MS office but not in LO,that's weird.but i am
more worried about the "odt not working" part.why will it be so???
will post a bug report.
odt is not that small compared to doc but docx is almost 1/3 rd of doc!!
anyway,thanks for the help
Hi
MS could have good reason to make sure that Odt doesn't work properly in their
products. It would force people to use MS formats and they might hope that
would mean forcing people to buy their latest product, MS Office 2010, before
the new release gets out. MS are a profit making company and profit is their
number 1 objective. Their number 1 objective is not to help everyone
communicate with each other easily! If you view things from that point of view
a lot of weird things they do make sense.
The Odt is not much smaller than the Doc in this specific case but in general it
might be. The dragging thing was worth repeating just in case my systems
handled it different but in both Ubuntu using LibreOffice 3.3.2 and Windows
using LibreOffice 3.3.3 i got the same results and using the older 1.0/1.1
versions of the Odt format didn't make any difference. Which was something i
have been wondering for a while so it was good to be able to test it
Regards from
Tom
of course;you are right
I read and write OOXML files in Office 2003 all the time, and have since the compatibility pack was released. I still use that for testing purposes (and testing of the open-source ODF converter that works with Office 2003 also). I've not stumbled on any material compatibility issues except when Office 2003 simply can't handle an up-level feature (such as expanded change-tracking capability), and then the degradation tends to be non-catastrophic.
I shall bite my tongue about the rest of your unsupported statements, but for two. (1) ODF 1.2 was not available as a stable Committee Specification (still not yet an OASIS standard, but soon) until March 2011. Office 2007 SP1 came out when? How do you consider the "newer-spec" being any of the things you say, and how could that have mattered for Office 2007? (2) The OOXML formats are described in ISO/IEC Standard IS 29500:2008, the downloads are free from ISO (if you know where to look) and the ECMA equivalents are also free for download. What's secret about that?
ODF 1.0 is also the current level of the ISO Standard, which is specified in many international contexts. I recall Microsoft saying they would be ODF 1.1 compatible (since the deviations from ODF 1.0 are minor and the incorporation of accessibility support in 1.1 is important) even though it hadn't achieved international-standard status.
Also, it is important to understand that ODF 1.x compatibility and compatibility with OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice are different things.
I am willing to overlook your various opinions about Microsoft products, but these kinds of unsupported material claims deserve public fact-checking.
- Dennis
hay tom,other people is able to attach file in the mailing list;but my
attached file was not visible.what mistake have i committed?
Hi
People get attachments if they are CC'd directly or included in the "To" field
in the email. No attachments get through from the list. You didn't do anything
wrong.
Regards from
Tom
oho,ok then i guess