Frutiger Font Problem

Uli_Geisler · November 12, 2013, 2:15pm

Hi I'm using the Frutiger Font (ttf, linotype) for several Years now for my work an have al lot of Documents and Templates.

Since upgrading to ubuntu 13.10 (libreoffice upgraded to 4.1.2) the Frutiger isn't displayed correct in libreoffice-writer. Only the top half of the Font is visible. If I'm marking Text with the Mouse, the mark is beside the words. And the spaces between lines of the same paragraph are different. Typed Characters are displayed after a long delay

But if I export the Document to PDF, everything is right. If I use the Frutiger with XeTeX everything is OK. Now I switched to opensuse with libreoffice 3.6 - everything is fine.

I tryed to Download an install libreoffice 4.1.3 from libreoffice.org: Same Problems. I think, it's a Problem of libreoffice an not ubuntu or opensuse...

Does anyone else have similar Problems - and how can I solve them?

(...and sorry for my english...)

Uli

krackedpress · November 13, 2013, 5:20pm

I have the "Frutiger Linotype" set [normal, bold, italic, etc.] from the
early 2000's [version 1.13] and they work with Ubuntu and LO 4.0.5.

I see that you have tried 3.6 and 4.1.2.

For now, try 4.0.6 [latest of that line] to see if that will OK for you
to use till people can figure out why you are having problems.

Uli_Geisler · November 14, 2013, 8:24am

4.0.6, downloaded from libreoffice.org: No problem, Fonts are displayed normal.

krackedpress · November 14, 2013, 3:12pm

GOOD,
hopefully by the time of 4.1.5 this issue will be solved.

4.1.4 comes out at the end of December and 4.1.5 in the first weeks of
February.

There are people who may not upgrade to the 4.1.x line, just because
4.0.x works fine for them. Some people are still using 3.6.6 or other
earlier versions.

So until the 4.1.x line, or later the 4.2.x line, gets to where you like
it and it does what you want without any issues, I would keep using 4.0.6.

Uli_Geisler · November 14, 2013, 4:16pm

OK, I will wait and test again later. Thanks for your hints...
Uli

Uli_Geisler1 · February 20, 2014, 11:13am

Tested also in 4.2.0.4, same problem, made a comment on bug 68467 "Other: Font (Frutiger family) is displayed wrong on Mac OS X"

Uli

krackedpress · February 20, 2014, 2:38pm

Has anyone seen this font issue with Frutiger, or other fonts, on Windows or Linux? Is this just a Mac issue?

I am asking this, since I have some packages that install several Frutiger fonts [if I remember correctly] during their "standard" install process. I do not use Mac, so if anyone has seem this on Windows, or Linux, then I will have to look into this. To be honest, I tend to remove unneeded fonts, like Frutiger, since I have too many "specialty" fonts to keep in my font folders for "specialty" work. Since I currently do not use that font, I removed it.

I stated I have the "early 2000's" era fonts. I do not remember if you are using newer ones or not. I just wonder if there are any differences in the old versions of the font set, vs. the newer versions.

Uli_Geisler1 · February 20, 2014, 2:56pm

Hi I'm using the Frutiger Font (ttf, linotype) for several Years now
for my work an have al lot of Documents and Templates.

Since upgrading to ubuntu 13.10 (libreoffice upgraded to 4.1.2) the
Frutiger isn't displayed correct in libreoffice-writer. Only the top
half of the Font is visible. If I'm marking Text with the Mouse, the
mark is beside the words. And the spaces between lines of the same
paragraph are different. Typed Characters are displayed after a long
delay

But if I export the Document to PDF, everything is right. If I use
the
Frutiger with XeTeX everything is OK. Now I switched to opensuse with
libreoffice 3.6 - everything is fine.

I tryed to Download an install libreoffice 4.1.3 from
libreoffice.org:
Same Problems. I think, it's a Problem of libreoffice an not
ubuntu or
opensuse...

Does anyone else have similar Problems - and how can I solve them?

(...and sorry for my english...)

Uli

I have the "Frutiger Linotype" set [normal, bold, italic, etc.]
from the
early 2000's [version 1.13] and they work with Ubuntu and LO 4.0.5.

I see that you have tried 3.6 and 4.1.2.

For now, try 4.0.6 [latest of that line] to see if that will OK for
you
to use till people can figure out why you are having problems.

4.0.6, downloaded from libreoffice.org: No problem, Fonts are
displayed normal.

GOOD,
hopefully by the time of 4.1.5 this issue will be solved.

4.1.4 comes out at the end of December and 4.1.5 in the first weeks of
February.

There are people who may not upgrade to the 4.1.x line, just because
4.0.x works fine for them. Some people are still using 3.6.6 or other
earlier versions.

So until the 4.1.x line, or later the 4.2.x line, gets to where you like
it and it does what you want without any issues, I would keep using
4.0.6.

Tested also in 4.2.0.4, same problem, made a comment on bug 68467
"Other: Font (Frutiger family) is displayed wrong on Mac OS X"

Ul

Has anyone seen this font issue with Frutiger, or other fonts, on
Windows or Linux? Is this just a Mac issue?

I'm working on Linux (Debian 7.4, Ubuntu 13.10, Opensuse 13.1)

I am asking this, since I have some packages that install several
Frutiger fonts [if I remember correctly] during their "standard" install
process. I do not use Mac, so if anyone has seem this on Windows, or
Linux, then I will have to look into this. To be honest, I tend to
remove unneeded fonts, like Frutiger, since I have too many "specialty"
fonts to keep in my font folders for "specialty" work. Since I
currently do not use that font, I removed it.

I can't, cause I need it for my work...

I stated I have the "early 2000's" era fonts. I do not remember if you
are using newer ones or not. I just wonder if there are any differences
in the old versions of the font set, vs. the newer versions.

Mine is Version 6.4 from 2002...

krackedpress · February 20, 2014, 5:16pm

<snip>

GOOD,
hopefully by the time of 4.1.5 this issue will be solved.

4.1.4 comes out at the end of December and 4.1.5 in the first weeks of
February.

There are people who may not upgrade to the 4.1.x line, just because
4.0.x works fine for them. Some people are still using 3.6.6 or other
earlier versions.

So until the 4.1.x line, or later the 4.2.x line, gets to where you like
it and it does what you want without any issues, I would keep using
4.0.6.

Tested also in 4.2.0.4, same problem, made a comment on bug 68467
"Other: Font (Frutiger family) is displayed wrong on Mac OS X"

Ul

Has anyone seen this font issue with Frutiger, or other fonts, on
Windows or Linux? Is this just a Mac issue?

I'm working on Linux (Debian 7.4, Ubuntu 13.10, Opensuse 13.1)

I am asking this, since I have some packages that install several
Frutiger fonts [if I remember correctly] during their "standard" install
process. I do not use Mac, so if anyone has seem this on Windows, or
Linux, then I will have to look into this. To be honest, I tend to
remove unneeded fonts, like Frutiger, since I have too many "specialty"
fonts to keep in my font folders for "specialty" work. Since I
currently do not use that font, I removed it.

I can't, cause I need it for my work...

I stated I have the "early 2000's" era fonts. I do not remember if you
are using newer ones or not. I just wonder if there are any differences
in the old versions of the font set, vs. the newer versions.

Mine is Version 6.4 from 2002...

Yes, there are people who require specific fonts for projects. I had to get an Adobe font library one year, from the people who required these fonts. I still have it, since they did not ask for them back. I really hope this issues get resolved properly for you. If it displays "off" but prints correct, then sometimes it may work for people. But if the fonts print out "off" then that is really bad.

Your version is a little newer than mine, it seems. I have had some problems with "quality" issues between different versions of some other fonts, that are in my "font library folders".

I use only XP, Win7, and Ubuntu 12.04LTS/MATE, at this time. Ubuntu is my desktop, with the others for laptops and other secondary systems.

By the way, what desktop environments do you use? I do not like Unity, so I use MATE to have the 10.04 feel on Ubuntu 12.04 and newer. Sometimes, I have heard form others, that some desktops may display the same document or package's "editing window" differently. I have not seen it with 10.04/GNOME and 11.xx, 12.04, and 13.xx with MATE desktop environment. But a few people I have email conversations with, a while ago, did tell me their desktop environment "issues". Of course, that was in the early late 3.x and early 4.0.x time frame.

Uli_Geisler1 · February 20, 2014, 9:14pm

<snip>

GOOD,
hopefully by the time of 4.1.5 this issue will be solved.

4.1.4 comes out at the end of December and 4.1.5 in the first weeks of
February.

There are people who may not upgrade to the 4.1.x line, just because
4.0.x works fine for them. Some people are still using 3.6.6 or other
earlier versions.

So until the 4.1.x line, or later the 4.2.x line, gets to where you
like
it and it does what you want without any issues, I would keep using
4.0.6.

Tested also in 4.2.0.4, same problem, made a comment on bug 68467
"Other: Font (Frutiger family) is displayed wrong on Mac OS X"

Ul

Has anyone seen this font issue with Frutiger, or other fonts, on
Windows or Linux? Is this just a Mac issue?

I'm working on Linux (Debian 7.4, Ubuntu 13.10, Opensuse 13.1)

I am asking this, since I have some packages that install several
Frutiger fonts [if I remember correctly] during their "standard" install
process. I do not use Mac, so if anyone has seem this on Windows, or
Linux, then I will have to look into this. To be honest, I tend to
remove unneeded fonts, like Frutiger, since I have too many "specialty"
fonts to keep in my font folders for "specialty" work. Since I
currently do not use that font, I removed it.

I can't, cause I need it for my work...

I stated I have the "early 2000's" era fonts. I do not remember if you
are using newer ones or not. I just wonder if there are any differences
in the old versions of the font set, vs. the newer versions.

Mine is Version 6.4 from 2002...

Yes, there are people who require specific fonts for projects. I had to
get an Adobe font library one year, from the people who required these
fonts. I still have it, since they did not ask for them back. I really
hope this issues get resolved properly for you. If it displays "off"
but prints correct, then sometimes it may work for people. But if the
fonts print out "off" then that is really bad.

In my case I need the correct display.

Your version is a little newer than mine, it seems. I have had some
problems with "quality" issues between different versions of some other
fonts, that are in my "font library folders".

Beside Frutiger I have only those fonts, which are installed as default by Debian, Ubuntu...

I use only XP, Win7, and Ubuntu 12.04LTS/MATE, at this time. Ubuntu is
my desktop, with the others for laptops and other secondary systems.

By the way, what desktop environments do you use? I do not like Unity,
so I use MATE to have the 10.04 feel on Ubuntu 12.04 and newer.
Sometimes, I have heard form others, that some desktops may display the
same document or package's "editing window" differently. I have not
seen it with 10.04/GNOME and 11.xx, 12.04, and 13.xx with MATE desktop
environment. But a few people I have email conversations with, a while
ago, did tell me their desktop environment "issues". Of course, that
was in the early late 3.x and early 4.0.x time frame.

I'm using Debian 7.4 for work on Desktop (and OpenSuse 13.1 as second Linux) and Ubuntu 13.1 on my Laptop.

For my every days work I'm on Gnome (Debian), Unity (Ubuntu) and sometimes KDE (OpenSuse or Debian)

Everywhere the same issue with Frutiger font... and only in Libreoffice.