insert non-breaking semi-space

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#1

Using Libreoffice on  Mac Sierra:

I want to insert a non-breaking semi-space when I have a single quotation mark next to a double quotation mark:

John reported, “‘I think you can’t,’ he said.”

Is it possible to do this in libreoffice writer on Mac, so the two quotation marks are slightly spaced? I’m not having any luck searching for this.

Eric Beversluis
Short fiction at www.ericbeversluis.com

#2

Keep option pressed while typing a space,
The space will show as a square grey block

#3

Look in the Unicode block of 'General Punctuation. There are a slew of
different-sized spaces available. You should be able to insert the one
of your choice.

#4

Thanks. Looks like I want to use “thin space” Hex 200A. Is there an easy way to do that from the keyboard? None of the ways I’ve used on Linux or Windows seem to work.

Eric Beversluis

#5

Thin space were added recently to release 6.3 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121596. Meanwhile you can use the special character dialog and search for the symbol.

#6

The unicode character U202F Narrow Nobreak Space should produce the result
you're looking for. I've tested LibreOffice (4.2?) functions properly. The
font has to support it tho or you'll have a unprintable character glyph or
wide space present depending on the view/program. If the font doesn't have
this glyph, you can change the font it uses by search/replace to one that
does.

https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/202f/browsertest.htm

#7

I’m using LO 6.2.4.2 on MacOS Mojave (10.14.5)
Just tested, and it works..

#8

>
> > I want to insert a non-breaking semi-space when I have a single
quotation mark next to
> a double quotation mark:
> >
> > John reported, “‘I think you can’t,’ he said.”
> >
> > Is it possible to do this in libreoffice writer on Mac, so the two
quotation marks are
> slightly spaced? I’m not having any luck searching for this.
> >
> > Eric Beversluis
> > Short fiction at www.ericbeversluis.com
>
> Look in the Unicode block of 'General Punctuation. There are a slew of
> different-sized spaces available. You should be able to insert the one
> of your choice.
>
> --
> T. R. Valentine
> A rich heart may be under a poor coat.

Thanks. Looks like I want to use “thin space” Hex 200A. Is there an easy
way to do that from the keyboard? None of the ways I’ve used on Linux or
Windows seem to work.

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/183045/how-can-i-type-unicode-characters-without-using-the-mouse
Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg

Eric Beversluis

#9

Eric Beversluis wrote

Thanks. Looks like I want to use “thin space” Hex 200A. Is there an easy
way to do that from the keyboard? None of the ways I’ve used on Linux or
Windows seem to work.

Eric Beversluis

Johnny Rosenberg wrote

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/183045/how-can-i-type-unicode-characters-without-using-the-mouse
Kind regards

More simply, if you know the Unicode point desired, U+200A --it can be
directly entered into LibreOffice and then toggled directly. The shortcut in
Windows, Linux is: <Alt>+x.

If macOS we had to use a different shortcut: CMD+Option+x

(implemented in tdf#73691 as modified, macOS assigned internally in
LibreOffice source to use X_MOD1_MOD2).

That should allow you to directly enter a known Unicode glyph, just be
mindful that if working with a font that does not define a glyph you'll be
dependent on font fallback and/or will receive an "undefined glyph"
placeholder on document canvas.

Stuart

#10

ebever@researchintegration.org>:

I want to insert a non-breaking semi-space when I have a single

quotation mark next to

a double quotation mark:

John reported, “‘I think you can’t,’ he said.”

Is it possible to do this in libreoffice writer on Mac, so the two

quotation marks are

slightly spaced? I’m not having any luck searching for this.

Eric Beversluis
Short fiction at www.ericbeversluis.com

Look in the Unicode block of 'General Punctuation. There are a slew of
different-sized spaces available. You should be able to insert the one
of your choice.

--
T. R. Valentine
A rich heart may be under a poor coat.

Thanks. Looks like I want to use “thin space” Hex 200A. Is there an easy
way to do that from the keyboard? None of the ways I’ve used on Linux or
Windows seem to work.

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/183045/how-can-i-type-unicode-characters-without-using-the-mouse
Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg

And Windows users can use this (if you only can remember hexcodes)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input#In_Microsoft_Windows

This makes it possible to enter the hexcode via your keyboard, so you will get an "A" when entering ALT  "+" "41" (without the double quotes)

Luuk

#11

Why did this option not get a 'reserverd place in the menu' ? together with the shortcut-key reference (<Alt>+X) ?

An option like <Ctrl>+C is only known to all people (more than 75 % ??), because the shortcut key is next to it in the menu!

#12

Luuk wrote

Why did this option not get a 'reserverd place in the menu' ? together
with the shortcut-key reference (
<Alt>
+X) ?

An option like
<Ctrl>
+C is only known to all people (more than 75 % ??),
because the shortcut key is next to it in the menu!

Hmm, interesting question. The BZ tdf#73691 sheds no light, and I can't
remember any discussion of adding it to a menu. But it was prominently
advertised in the release notes for 5.1
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.1#Unicode_character_input_with_Alt.2BX>

The actual .uno:UnicodeNotationToggle command is available to assign in
Customization receiving default en-US name in Customization of "Toggle
Unicode Notation" and can be added to Menu, Toolbars, and Context menu. It
shows for LibreOffice globally as <Alt>+x -- Command Name and the keyboard
shortcut are localized and configured by os.

I could possibly see it assigned to the Standard toolbar, adjacent to the
Special character dialog button.
But, I'm not sure how it could be ussed from menu, and which menu -- Insert,
Format or even Tools -- would hold it. Checked, and it does _not_ appear on
any MS Office menus.

So kind of seems the enhancement of the BZ issue was fully implemented--with
no functional reason to add it to a menu just to expose the shortcut.

Stuart

#13

Thanks for the explanation.

There are other function which are useless in the menu, like i.e. CTRL+C. Most (read 'all') users will use their keyboard.

About the position of 'ToglleUnicodeNotation' in the menu (if that ever becomes an issue :wink:),  the 'edit' menu is a better place, because it's not inserting something.

Luuk

#14

> Luuk wrote
>> Why did this option not get a 'reserverd place in the menu' ?
>> together with the shortcut-key reference (
>> <Alt>
>> +X) ?
>>
>> An option like
>> <Ctrl>
>> +C is only known to all people (more than 75 % ??),
>> because the shortcut key is next to it in the menu!
> Hmm, interesting question. The BZ tdf#73691 sheds no light, and I
> can't remember any discussion of adding it to a menu. But it was
> prominently advertised in the release notes for 5.1
> <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.1#Unicode_character_input_with_Alt.2BX>
>
> The actual .uno:UnicodeNotationToggle command is available to
> assign in Customization receiving default en-US name in
> Customization of "Toggle Unicode Notation" and can be added to
> Menu, Toolbars, and Context menu. It shows for LibreOffice globally
> as <Alt>+x -- Command Name and the keyboard shortcut are localized
> and configured by os.
>
> I could possibly see it assigned to the Standard toolbar,
> adjacent to the Special character dialog button.
> But, I'm not sure how it could be ussed from menu, and which menu
> -- Insert, Format or even Tools -- would hold it. Checked, and it
> does _not_ appear on any MS Office menus.
>
> So kind of seems the enhancement of the BZ issue was fully
> implemented--with no functional reason to add it to a menu just to
> expose the shortcut.
>
> Stuart
>
Thanks for the explanation.

There are other function which are useless in the menu, like i.e.
CTRL+C. Most (read 'all') users will use their keyboard.

Not true. Copy does not have a universal accelerator unfortunately,
sometimes it is Shift+Ctrl+C or other things. So I sometimes use the
menu in applications that I'm not completely familiar with.

#15

> Luuk wrote
>> Why did this option not get a 'reserverd place in the menu' ? together
>> with the shortcut-key reference (
>> <Alt>
>> +X) ?
>>
>> An option like
>> <Ctrl>
>> +C is only known to all people (more than 75 % ??),
>> because the shortcut key is next to it in the menu!
> Hmm, interesting question. The BZ tdf#73691 sheds no light, and I can't
> remember any discussion of adding it to a menu. But it was prominently
> advertised in the release notes for 5.1
> <
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.1#Unicode_character_input_with_Alt.2BX
>
>
> The actual .uno:UnicodeNotationToggle command is available to assign in
> Customization receiving default en-US name in Customization of "Toggle
> Unicode Notation" and can be added to Menu, Toolbars, and Context menu.
It
> shows for LibreOffice globally as <Alt>+x -- Command Name and the
keyboard
> shortcut are localized and configured by os.
>
> I could possibly see it assigned to the Standard toolbar, adjacent to
the
> Special character dialog button.
> But, I'm not sure how it could be ussed from menu, and which menu --
Insert,
> Format or even Tools -- would hold it. Checked, and it does _not_ appear
on
> any MS Office menus.
>
> So kind of seems the enhancement of the BZ issue was fully
implemented--with
> no functional reason to add it to a menu just to expose the shortcut.
>
> Stuart
>
Thanks for the explanation.

There are other function which are useless in the menu, like i.e.
CTRL+C. Most (read 'all') users will use their keyboard.

That's not my experience. I'd rather say that most user's will use the
right click menu, only a few (like myself) use the keyboard for that. It's
very frustrating to look at. People are writing and they need to copy some
text, they move their hand to the mouse and it all takes like forever.

Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg

#16

> > Luuk wrote
> >> Why did this option not get a 'reserverd place in the menu' ?
> >> together with the shortcut-key reference (
> >> <Alt>
> >> +X) ?
> >>
> >> An option like
> >> <Ctrl>
> >> +C is only known to all people (more than 75 % ??),
> >> because the shortcut key is next to it in the menu!
> > Hmm, interesting question. The BZ tdf#73691 sheds no light, and I
> > can't remember any discussion of adding it to a menu. But it was
> > prominently advertised in the release notes for 5.1
> > <
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.1#Unicode_character_input_with_Alt.2BX
>
> >
> > The actual .uno:UnicodeNotationToggle command is available to
> > assign in Customization receiving default en-US name in
> > Customization of "Toggle Unicode Notation" and can be added to
> > Menu, Toolbars, and Context menu. It shows for LibreOffice globally
> > as <Alt>+x -- Command Name and the keyboard shortcut are localized
> > and configured by os.
> >
> > I could possibly see it assigned to the Standard toolbar,
> > adjacent to the Special character dialog button.
> > But, I'm not sure how it could be ussed from menu, and which menu
> > -- Insert, Format or even Tools -- would hold it. Checked, and it
> > does _not_ appear on any MS Office menus.
> >
> > So kind of seems the enhancement of the BZ issue was fully
> > implemented--with no functional reason to add it to a menu just to
> > expose the shortcut.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> Thanks for the explanation.
>
> There are other function which are useless in the menu, like i.e.
> CTRL+C. Most (read 'all') users will use their keyboard.

Not true. Copy does not have a universal accelerator unfortunately,
sometimes it is Shift+Ctrl+C or other things.

How often does that happen? I have only seen it in one kind of application,
and that's in virtual terminals, since Ctrl+c usually is used for
cancelling there.

Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg

#17

There are other function which are useless in the menu, like i.e.
CTRL+C. Most (read 'all') users will use their keyboard.

That's not my experience. I'd rather say that most user's will use the
right click menu, only a few (like myself) use the keyboard for that. It's
very frustrating to look at. People are writing and they need to copy some
text, they move their hand to the mouse and it all takes like forever.

Those users of computer must be dumb. They have a tool which with they can do their job quickly, and than they start using a  mouse to copy.

#18

I knew someone would 'complain' about this statement :wink:

Luckily you gave an example which i never came to use (AFAIK), and luckily you did not say Ctrl+Insert which still works (most of the times) under Windows because of legacy.

But, to /me and i am only talking about Windows here, as long as the key in mentioned here (https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts) than i call it universal :blush:

#19

Well, as I never use Windoze, I don't call it universal :slight_smile:

So it seems you're suggesting a different menu structure under
different operating systems? I'm not sure that's a desirable goal.

#20

If was talking about 'Windows'.