Java

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#1

Yikes, now I'm confused; yes, again :wink:

       I've had java disabled on this machine; but maybe its time to
re-enable it - updating it :wink:

       Tom, do you know more re. java ...
            or Michael, do you know something more re. this.

       Eagerly awaiting to hear what to do re. this java;
            and please remember I don't comprehend computerese :wink:

Hi Tom,

#2

What are you using in LibreOffice that requires Java? Is there something that you would like to use that requires Java? If so, by all means update and enable it. Otherwise don't do anything about it.
      I have Java enabled because I work with Base much of the time. (It requires Java.) Otherwise, I probably would not need it myself.

--Dan

#3

Well, I guess I don't need it/them since any program I open seems to
work fine -
           except the A-V program every so often pops up stating my system
is in-secure due to some items not being up-dated :wink:
                [I click to see to what they're referring - it's the
disabled java - maybe its not completely disabled, huh :wink: ]

      What are you using in LibreOffice that requires Java? Is there

#4

One of the writers in the Windows Secrets newsletter recently compared OO and LO to MS Office, and I have to agree with him when he implied the LO web site is somewhat disorganized and confusing. Thus, this posting that is probably an enhancement request, but I can't find anywhere else to do such a thing.

I've used OO and LO for several years, and have found very little that I did in Office that I can't do now. One thing, though, is beyond the nuisance level but short of being a game stopper. I need the ability to outline text within a paragraph. I know a block of text can be highlighted with a different background or foreground color, but I need something that can actually be useful in a printed document. Sometimes underlining is insufficient, because it's not distinguishable from other underlined text.

As an example of what I want, just envision a box around "what I want" in this sentence. Obviously, outlining a paragraph doesn't do the trick.

Anyway, that's what I'd like to see sometime -- or, if I'm missing how to do it now, somebody please let me know!

Dave

#5

I'm sure it's not quite what you want, but in the Character/Font Effects dialog, you can insert an overline and an underline on the highlighted text. You just don't get the right and left side of the box.

Virgil

#6

Hi Dave,

Dave Liesse schrieb:

One of the writers in the Windows Secrets newsletter recently compared
OO and LO to MS Office, and I have to agree with him when he implied the
LO web site is somewhat disorganized and confusing. Thus, this posting
that is probably an enhancement request, but I can't find anywhere else
to do such a thing.

I've used OO and LO for several years, and have found very little that I
did in Office that I can't do now. One thing, though, is beyond the
nuisance level but short of being a game stopper. I need the ability to
outline text within a paragraph. I know a block of text can be
highlighted with a different background or foreground color, but I need
something that can actually be useful in a printed document. Sometimes
underlining is insufficient, because it's not distinguishable from other
underlined text.

As an example of what I want, just envision a box around "what I want"
in this sentence. Obviously, outlining a paragraph doesn't do the trick.

Anyway, that's what I'd like to see sometime -- or, if I'm missing how
to do it now, somebody please let me know!

You can write the text into a frame and anchor this frame 'as character'.
You can write the text into a text box and anchor this shape 'as character'.
You can overline the text in addition to underline.

You can make nice typography and give up emphasizing with lines.

Kind regards
Regina

#7

Thanks for the replies so far. It occurs to me that I can be a little more clear -- I'm just trying to do the equivalent of circling some text in a Word document being sent to me. This isn't for an original document.

Dave

#8

Then why not use the Drawing toolbar to draw a rectangle (or other
shape) around the text, setting the fill to 100% transparency and the
line to the colour and weight of your choice?

#9

Well, that's the kind of suggestion I'm looking for. In Word, when I had to use it, outlines could be applied at the character level. I've never had to think about all the "hard" ways of doing it, so I appreciate this idea.

Dave

#10

Have you thought of -
            inserting a table where you wish to highlight the word/line?
        or
           changing the font for that word/line?
        or
           placing that word/line within an image then placing the image in
the document?

       There may be more options;
           these have worked for me.

One of the writers in the Windows Secrets newsletter recently compared OO

#11

Another good thought.

       And if you wish to make a box,
          then make an image where you can insert whatever inside should
work;
             this image can be placed in any document as any other image.

I'm sure it's not quite what you want, but in the Character/Font Effects

#12

Interesting word when you look into it.
My first google of word and outlining text finds how to get the outline around the letters in the font (no font fill, LO character style outline), then how to control lists (outlining) but I suspect the original poster is interested in what I would call highlighting (character background colour, may be he wants a box around the words he selects).

I found a button in LO that applies a character background colour, but that was all. I ended up typing some text, highlighting it, right click character, added an over line and 20% gray background. I then opened styles (F11), , clicked the character styles, new style from selection and called it highlighting. Now whenever I want to highlight some text I just select it and double click the highlighting style. Prints well too. I can even use the styles painting thing (fill format mode) and just work through my document highlighting as I go.

So thanks, I have learned something new and useful in LO by looking into this thread (just like I learned the other day that you can select a block of numbers in calc first, then click the sigma to create a sum rather than fiddling with the box that comes up when you click sigma first)
steve

#13

Hi :slight_smile:
I think Dan's point is key.

If you don't seem to need it then don't use it. I thik that's a good general rule. A bit like if no-one is in the kitchen then why have the lights on in there?

Micheal Meeks was saying that it's still ok to write Extensions in Java but you are not writing Extensions. You are like me, just a normal user. His advice does seem to contradict everything i am hearing about Java at the moment. The devs seem to have put a lot of effort into reducing the amount of Java to the point where most users are unlikely to ever need it.

However, Micheal is one of the lead devs and well respected so he is much more likely to really know what is really going on whereas my information is 2nd or 3rd hand and i'm not a dev so i could easily be missing some crucial points. I think maybe i was a bit too harsh about blaming Oracle for all of Java's problems. Maybe it was horribly broken before or that currrent problems were inevitable or maybe reported problems are over-stated.

I switched Java off months ago and had no problems so i finally uninstalled it around December and still had no problems. I think that is the best route. Removing Java completely could be troublesome so it's best to have a trial-period of seeing if you can do without it before uninstalling it. You probably wouldn't take the bulb out of the kitchen light just because you didn't think you would go into the kitchen at night. It appears that Homeland Security in the US are recommending people uninstall it but that could be a bogus report and even if not then it seems they may not have considered the implications for normal or corporate users.

A couple of machines at my place where Java is still installed grumble when i open Firefox now, roughly since the Homeland Security report apparently. Firefox now offers to update various plugins and things such as Adobe Flash-Player, Adobe Reader(?!) and Java but then tells me it's automatically blocked Java for me anyway.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#14

I disabled Java (not Javascript) in my Firefox with no apparent consequences.
I may also note that Slackware Linux no longer packages Java with their latest release (14.0), as they have done in the past. I read from the S14.0 "Changes and Hints.txt" file: "jre - removed due to licensing issues". ("jre" is Java Runtime Environment.) Not supplying Java is a sign to me that it is not needed. Slackware has always been strict about bundling Open Source GPL software with their Linux distributions.
Girvin Herr

Tom Davies wrote:

#15

Thanks.

Hi :slight_smile:

#16

Thanks.

I disabled Java (not Javascript) in my Firefox with no apparent