keep open table tool bar

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#1

The fact that the table tool bar opens when I am in a table, but disappears whenever I move to surrounding parts of the page makes the entire page jump up and down in a most disturbing manner. I use tables a lot and would be very happy if I could keep the table tool bar open all the time. I have tried all sorts of settings, but nothing I have tried works.

Please! Can someone suggest how the table tool bar could be kept open on a permanent basis?

Rick

#2

I find the non-anchored position of that toolbar to be an irritant as
well, but because it anchors in the wrong place and doesn't move when
I move the document window, but that's not really on point....

Have you tried docking the toolbar to a menu line and then locking its position?

#3

Hi :slight_smile:

I think that the View menu on the menu bar might help ...

View - Toolbars - Table

Then you might want to push the table toolbar to the side rather than have it
vertical rather than horizontal.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#4

Thanks for your remarks.

I have tried docking the tool bar, but it still appears and disappears according as I am in or not in a table. The least annoying dock is on the side of the screen, but it still knocks the page a little sideways when it does its appearance trick. Pleas explain exactly what you mean by "docking to a menu line". Perhaps I have not done that. I don't know wha you mean by "menu line".

Thanks again,

Rick

#5

Thanks for your remarks.

I can select "Table" in View - Tool bars, and the table tool bar appears when the cursor in not in a table. I then go to the table to work there. When I return the cursor to a non-table part of the document, the table tool bar disappears. This still does not really lock the tool bar open all the time.

I have been docking the tool bar at the side for years (with OOo and now LO). This minimizes the disturbance but there is still annoying sideways movement as it appears or disappears.

Thanks again, Rick

#6

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From: Avraham Hanadari <avhanadari@gmail.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 19 February, 2011 7:24:49
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: keep open table tool bar

Le 18/02/2011 22:34, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi :slight_smile:

I think that the View menu on the menu bar might help ...

View - Toolbars - Table

Then you might want to push the table toolbar to the side rather than have it
vertical rather than horizontal.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

Thanks for your remarks.

I can select "Table" in View - Tool bars, and the table tool bar appears when
the cursor in not in a table. I then go to the table to work there. When I
return the cursor to a non-table part of the document, the table tool bar
disappears. This still does not really lock the tool bar open all the time.

I have been docking the tool bar at the side for years (with OOo and now LO).
This minimizes the disturbance but there is still annoying sideways movement as
it appears or disappears.

Thanks again, Rick

Hi Rick :slight_smile:

I think it's time to post a bug-report about that as once you have selected to
show the toolbar all the time it shouldn't suddenly vanish without being
de-selected deliberately.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

How about putting the table-toolbar on the right-hand-side instead until the
bug-report gets resolved? Hopefully that might minimise the disruption for you.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#7

________________________________
From: Avraham Hanadari <avhanadari@gmail.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 19 February, 2011 7:12:35
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: keep open table tool bar

Le 18/02/2011 21:46, MR ZenWiz a écrit :

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Avraham Hanadari<avhanadari@gmail.com> wrote:

The fact that the table tool bar opens when I am in a table, but disappears
whenever I move to surrounding parts of the page makes the entire page jump
up and down in a most disturbing manner. I use tables a lot and would be
very happy if I could keep the table tool bar open all the time. I have
tried all sorts of settings, but nothing I have tried works.

Please! Can someone suggest how the table tool bar could be kept open on a
permanent basis?

I find the non-anchored position of that toolbar to be an irritant as
well, but because it anchors in the wrong place and doesn't move when
I move the document window, but that's not really on point....

Have you tried docking the toolbar to a menu line and then locking its
position?

Thanks for your remarks.

I have tried docking the tool bar, but it still appears and disappears according
as I am in or not in a table. The least annoying dock is on the side of the
screen, but it still knocks the page a little sideways when it does its
appearance trick. Pleas explain exactly what you mean by "docking to a menu
line". Perhaps I have not done that. I don't know wha you mean by "menu line".

Thanks again,

Rick

Hi Rick again.

The default position for the toolbar is to be free-floating so that you can drag
it around the screen even right into the middle. This might be the best way for
you to have the toolbar now i think about it.

I think you already have the toolbar "docked" at the left of the screen so that
it is attached to the edge of the screen and appears as a single row/column
stretching from top-to-bottom rather than as a compact box floating over the
document.

Language evolves over time and the normal usage of the word "dock" is now
somewhat different but there are still several different meanings of the term.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#8

I, too, find it irritant. I dock the table, image and other similar toolbars to the bottom of the screen so my text doesn't dance around when I move the cursor in and out of tables (and numbering lists...).

As for installing some of those icons permanently, I have done once what is the second best thing for a toolbar that I often use, the bullets and numbering toolbar:
– In a personal toolbar, I install a copy of the icons I use regularly. Because it's a personal toolbar, it stays on the screen as long as I want it.
– I have emptied the bullets and numbering toolbar so there is only one icon in it. I have docked it to he right side of the standard toolbar.
The result: My personal toolbar, which almost mimics the original bullets and numbering toolbar is always there on the left side of the screen, along with a few formatting icons. The bullets and numbering toolbar pops in and out, but it's only one icon long and sits to the right of the standard toolbar, so my text doesn't dance.

#9

Thanks for your remarks.

You're welcome.

I have tried docking the tool bar, but it still appears and disappears
according as I am in or not in a table. The least annoying dock is on the
side of the screen, but it still knocks the page a little sideways when it
does its appearance trick. Pleas explain exactly what you mean by "docking
to a menu line". Perhaps I have not done that. I don't know wha you mean by
"menu line".

Sorry - I've never invested a lot of time in the exact terminology for
these things (which I should).

Try this:

At the top of your Writer window there is the title bar, then the menu
bar, then one or more toolbars. Break up the toolbars by moving them
around so that you have some space at the right end of one. Bring up
a table and dock the table toolbar in that space. This way the bar
will appear and disappear as you move in and out of tables, but it
should stay in the same place on that toolbar line. As long as it is
not alone on that line of bars, it shouldn't change your screen
around.

Of course, you'll have to get used to the different arrangement of the
toolbars....

HTH.

#10

:

I, too, find it irritant. I dock the table, image and other similar toolbars
to the bottom of the screen so my text doesn't dance around when I move the
cursor in and out of tables (and numbering lists...).

As for installing some of those icons permanently, I have done once what is
the second best thing for a toolbar that I often use, the bullets and
numbering toolbar:
– In a personal toolbar, I install a copy of the icons I use regularly.
Because it's a personal toolbar, it stays on the screen as long as I want
it.
– I have emptied the bullets and numbering toolbar so there is only one icon
in it. I have docked it to he right side of the standard toolbar.
The result: My personal toolbar, which almost mimics the original bullets
and numbering toolbar is always there on the left side of the screen, along
with a few formatting icons. The bullets and numbering toolbar pops in and
out, but it's only one icon long and sits to the right of the standard
toolbar, so my text doesn't dance.

Excellent! That beats my suggestion - nice.

#11

Thanks again.

With your suggestion the text does not dance, and that is already a considerable improvement. Unfortunately, only a couple of the icons in the table toolbar show, so the advantage of having it open all the time is largely lost. I've placed a graphic of the toolbars in my DropBox.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1181912/toolbar.PNG
You can see that there is not enough visible for use.

Rick

#12

:

Thanks again.

With your suggestion the text does not dance, and that is already a
considerable improvement. Unfortunately, only a couple of the icons in the
table toolbar show, so the advantage of having it open all the time is
largely lost. I've placed a graphic of the toolbars in my DropBox.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1181912/toolbar.PNG
You can see that there is not enough visible for use.

If you don't mind losing another toolbar's size space, you can take
your Find toolbar and the Table toolbar and move them onto a new line
of toolbars. (Click on the Find toolbar's left end and move it down
to half-way between the two toolbars you already have and that should
open a new, third toolbar between the existing two. Then move the
Table toolbar down to join it.)

#13

Have you tried this? If not, try it and see what happens. The bar still pops in and out and disturbs the text. There is evidently no workaround and the OOo and LO developers have been ignoring complaints for years.
Rick

#14

________________________________
From: Avraham Hanadari <avhanadari@gmail.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 22 February, 2011 5:38:22
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: keep open table tool bar

Le 22/02/2011 01:58, MR ZenWiz a écrit :

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Avraham Hanadari<avhanadari@gmail.com> wrote:
:

Thanks again.

With your suggestion the text does not dance, and that is already a
considerable improvement. Unfortunately, only a couple of the icons in the
table toolbar show, so the advantage of having it open all the time is
largely lost. I've placed a graphic of the toolbars in my DropBox.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1181912/toolbar.PNG
You can see that there is not enough visible for use.

If you don't mind losing another toolbar's size space, you can take
your Find toolbar and the Table toolbar and move them onto a new line
of toolbars. (Click on the Find toolbar's left end and move it down
to half-way between the two toolbars you already have and that should
open a new, third toolbar between the existing two. Then move the
Table toolbar down to join it.)

Have you tried this? If not, try it and see what happens. The bar still
pops in and out and disturbs the text. There is evidently no workaround
and the OOo and LO developers have been ignoring complaints for years.
Rick

Hi :slight_smile:
Don't be so 'hasty' to dismiss the LO devs. They have fixed a LOT of bugs that
have been around in OpenOffice for years but obviously there is always more to
do. A new bug-report about this might not get to the top of their priority list
straight-away but we can hope for better results with LO than OOo.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#15

:

Have you tried this? If not, try it and see what happens. The bar still pops
in and out and disturbs the text. There is evidently no workaround and the
OOo and LO developers have been ignoring complaints for years.

I opened a LO Writer window, moved the Find toolbar to a new toolbar
line between the two default toolbars, created a table, docked the
table toolbar next to the Find toolbar and then moved the cursor in
and out of the table. The Table toolbar appeared and reappeared in
the same place without disturbing the content of the page panel.

For a graphic sequence of pages, see http://zentektales.com/LOTableTbDock.html