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Yes it's true!
I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people who've bought a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010 that's expired...
Gordon
Yes it's true!
I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people who've bought
a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010 that's expired...
+1
Where is this happening?
here's one thread:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/have-windows-7-on-computer-try-and-open-a-doc-and/166d698d-b3a0-4a56-9dee-1fb0aba2a3a9
By an MVP no less!
> Gordon
>
>
>> Yes it's true!
>> I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people who've bought
>> a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010 that's expired...
>>
> +1
>
> Where is this happening?
>
here's one thread:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/have-windows-7-on-computer-try-and-open-a-doc-and/166d698d-b3a0-4a56-9dee-1fb0aba2a3a9By an MVP no less!
Priceless - getting a plug from the "enemy's" camp.
The logical next step is for somebody to reply to that helpful hint, and
suggest that the fellow go the whole hog and dump his Win7 altogether.
+1
+5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.
I can understand that! Win ME was worse than Vista (if that's possible!(. However, using both Linux and Windows 7 I can say that Win 7 is actually not bad.
(All we need to do now is to get Windows 7 users to STOP running as Admin on a daily basis - it really ain't necessary on Win 7....)
Gordon
Yes it's true!
I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people
who've bought a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010
that's expired...+1
Where is this happening?
here's one thread:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-window
s_
install/have-windows-7-on-computer-try-and-open-a-doc-and/166d69
8d- b3a0-4a56-9dee-1fb0aba2a3a9By an MVP no less!
Priceless - getting a plug from the "enemy's" camp.
The logical next step is for somebody to reply to that helpful hint,
and suggest that the fellow go the whole hog and dump his Win7
altogether.+5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.
LOL - Not quite 12 years as it came out in 2000 (Windows Millennium) and you probably got
WinME after that 
Hi 
What is an MVP?? Is it Microsoft Certified something Person?
Regards from
Tom
Hi
Thanks. "Most Valuable Person" sounds like the equivalent of a fairly average
member of the LibreOffice community. Everyone here is a star.
Regards from
Tom
+5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.
I can understand that! Win ME was worse than Vista (if that's possible!(.
However, using both Linux and Windows 7 I can say that Win 7 is actually not
bad.
Does that mean that it has multiple desktops and that the drive
letters are gone?
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
[The MVP page seems to have moved, so here's a text explanation]
MVP = Most Valued Player
It is an award (made annually) from Microsoft to non-Microsoft people who make significant contributions to the community of Microsoft product adopters. The awards tend to be identified with a particular product group (e.g., Developer products, Office, Sharepoint, etc.)
The MVP receives free access to tools and products and early previews. MVPs are also invited to periodic Microsoft MVP Summits where early releases are disclosed, advice is solicited from Microsoft, etc.
While MVPs tend to be expert in a Microsoft technology, that does not mean they are constrained in their breadth of knowledge or contribution in forums, etc. It is not unusual to see a recommendation about the use of non-Microsoft technology, or how to inter-op with non-Microsoft technology. It is not commonplace either, mostly because of the focus of the forums and what forum users tend to have their attention on.
In the case at hand, two different MVPs responded and there were a variety of solutions offered, one of which was use of LibreOffice.
What I find odd is that an OEM Windows 7 computer, if recent, is more likely to come with Microsoft Office Starter edition. It may well be that the user simply failed to register it, in that case. I see, however, that some OEMs preload a trial edition (sometimes both), and this seems to confuse matters.
Most folks are probably unaware that the built-in Windows 7 WordPad application will open and produce ODF Text documents, and also rtf and docx, but not .doc. The functionality is rather limited though (more on the lines of the old Windows Write application).
Another way of handling the situation also mentioned on that forum is to use the free Web applications for Microsoft Office. There are features that don't work there, but it can be handy in a pinch.
Some folks just want to help users without co-opting them into some sort of ideological warfare.
- Dennis
Every OS Microsoft publishes tries to remove the User from the systems operation side of the equation. Personally, I take offense by their attempts to lock me out of folders on my own computer. Regardless of a the tonnage of lipstick slapped on a pig, it's still a pig.
Windows 7 is just another attempt to push Users further away from being able to control their own systems.
For this reason, most all applications being selected for use now and in the future have Linux compatibility so the transition curve isn't a series of switchbacks.
In time, 2-3 years, use of XP will become untenable and a version of Linux used from there on.
There's a good possibility the LO recommendation being due to the Gates - Ellison feud. Ellison owns Oracle. Oracle owns OO. Most know more about OO then they do LO. Hence the reason for MS's LO recommendation. Then there's the 900lb Gorilla factor: LO is cost free. OO looks like it's going to be a for $$$ item at Oracle.
Hi
The link you gave in an earlier post led to another link where MS use the word
"Professional" rather than "Player" even tho they obviously don't pay the MVPs.
MS make a lot of money from their Office Suite so it's not a huge surprise that
they don't mention that WordPad has a lot more functionality than most people
are aware of. What is a surprise is that WordPad has a lot more functionality
than it had a decade or so ago (when i last looked at it).
MS support for ODF is the older 1.1 or 1.0 standard rather than the newer 1.2
(Extended) that is used by default in LibreOffice and other apps.
I have found this thread very interesting and a major boost to morale.
Thanks everyone, especially Dennis & Gordon
Regards from
Tom
Hi
Oracle managed to mishandle OOo so badly that they couldn't "monetise it".
Apparently IBM pushed Oracle into donating OOo to The Apache Foundation a few
weeks ago.
There are Apache people in TDF (and some TDF in Apache) lists to help the 2
projects work together more closely and people are now allowed to work in both
again. It's bit weird because Oracle is not particularly close to Apache so
it's possible they were attempting to hamper Apache by giving them a "poisoned
pawn". I don't think Oracle were expecting Apache to suddenly work with TDF,
effectively draining the poison and making OOo much more viable. Then IBM
donated a lot of their Lotus code to Apache making OOo even more viable.
OpenSource co-operative competition between projects beat the proprietary
mind-set again.
Most MS people are probably very unaware of these rapid changes that have taken
place in the last few weeks so they probably do think they are fighting
"Oracle's OOo" by suggesting LibreOffice instead. Still, it's probably best not
to inform them because they seldom appreciate being given better intel
especially if it's not directly from MS.
Regards from
Tom
Hi
Lol, oooh, that's not fair! It would be like asking if the OS was designed to be
secure from the ground-up rather than slapping a tin roof on-top of a crumbling
structure. This list is not meant to be a fight between fanboys of different
OSes. LibreOffice works on all and all are welcome.
Regards from
Tom
Hi
Oracle managed to mishandle OOo so badly that they couldn't "monetise it".
Apparently IBM pushed Oracle into donating OOo to The Apache Foundation a few
weeks ago.There are Apache people in TDF (and some TDF in Apache) lists to help the 2
projects work together more closely and people are now allowed to work in both
again. It's bit weird because Oracle is not particularly close to Apache so
it's possible they were attempting to hamper Apache by giving them a "poisoned
pawn". I don't think Oracle were expecting Apache to suddenly work with TDF,
effectively draining the poison and making OOo much more viable. Then IBM
donated a lot of their Lotus code to Apache making OOo even more viable.
OpenSource co-operative competition between projects beat the proprietary
mind-set again.Most MS people are probably very unaware of these rapid changes that have taken
place in the last few weeks so they probably do think they are fighting
"Oracle's OOo" by suggesting LibreOffice instead. Still, it's probably best not
to inform them because they seldom appreciate being given better intel
especially if it's not directly from MS.
Regards from
Tom
Many of the MS MVPs I know aren't swayed by Microsoft and suggest *best* solutions that
may not be a Microsoft solution.