LibreOffice 3.4.3 on Ubuntu 11.10 (Unity 3D)

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#1

Hi,
I installed lo-menubar from the Ubuntu Software Center which is said to
provide a Global Menu rather than a program-specific one.

While the installation is successful and the extension works as stated, I
would like to disable or remove it because I now realise that it does have
"*Windows*" as part of the Global Menu.
There's File, Edit, View, Insert, Format, Tools, Help ... but no *Windows*.
I'm used to relying on *Windows* and then opening a new window of the same
document. Additionally, LibreOffice would remember how I arrange two Windows
and open the second window just the way I like it.

Since Windows is missing, I have to work around by going to File, New
Document which I don't like.

When I look in Tools, Extension Manager, I see three extensions listed:
Copy Visible cells (which I had installed on LibreOffice 3.3 / Natty and
which has been retained during the upgrade to 11.10)
menubar (installed via Ubuntu Software Center)
Script Provider for Python 3.3.0 (which seems to have been there by default
since I didn't install it)

The last two, menubar and Script Provider have little locks next to them.

While the first, "Copy visible cells" has a disable/remove option, the two
with locks next to them don't. So it looks like I cannot disable or remove
menubar unless someone helps me!

#2

Hi :slight_smile:
Which version of Ubuntu are you using?

It might be easier to try to uninstall things using the package manager while LibreOffice is closed. Perhaps the lock is due to LibreOffice being open?

In Ubuntu 10.10 and earlier try the top taskbar and click on

System - Administration - "Synaptic Package Manager"

I don't know how to do that in Ubuntu 11.10 or 11.04. If you are using one of them then perhaps open a command-line / terminal-console and try

gksu synaptic

to open Synaptic?
Either way once open the sesarhc tools should help you find the extensions. I would search for "libreoffice" and then click the top of the column that has the green splodges in it that indicate packages that are installed. Hopefully that will get all the installed packages, extensions and all to the top so you can just scroll down to find the one you want.

The package manager ususally searches in descriptions as well as titles so a straight-forwards search might just give you the right thing straight away but i'm a bit pessimistic about that sort of thing :wink:

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#3

Hi Tom, thanks for replying. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) with
Unity 3D. I'd have preferred to have uninstalled it via LibreOffice itself
but I'll give your suggestion a try and hope I don't break anything.

I'm not vastly experienced in Linux. So let's see. I had installed the "Copy
Visible Cells" extension and that has a way to disable/remove it from within
LibreOffice's Extension Manager. That, in my opinion, should be the way to
uninstall extensions.

#4

Okay!

With LibreOffice *not* running,
I used Nautilus (the file manager) to delete
/usr/lib/libreoffice/share/extensions/menubar and I've now got back the
original behavior.

#5

Unity looks good, sometimes, so I have been told. But for people use to GNOME or KDE, I would make sure those desktops are installed and set them as the default. Everything I have read, and heard, makes me fee that will be my only choice, once I get my monitor issues fixed so I can install 11.xx. It may be worse with Win 8 and its "Ribbon" style of desktop. Good for touch pads but not of desktops. That menu form is what many of "my" MSO users would not go beyond MSO 2003 or switched to OOo and then LO.

#6

This thread's about trying to remove an extension.

#7

On Ubuntu 11.10 synaptic is not installed by default. So if doing a clean install, simply get it from the software center. If you are doing any upgrade from 11.04, it should be there. To open it in 11.10, click on the Dash button and type in syn and it will be there to run. You could add it to the launcher. When 11.04 came out, I was reluctant to move it from 10.10 because of all of then negative things I had read. But I decided to since if I was going to be continuing to use Ubuntu, that is what I would need to learn. The Unity had some quirks, but over all wasn't too bad. I learned to really like the launcher bar. When I would go back to a machine with the old desktop on 10.10 after several months, it felt antiquated and old fashioned. 11.10 is smoother, works fast, and I am most pleased with it. It isn't perfect, but significant progress has been made over 11.04.

#8

Ubuntu 11.04 and 11.10 both have Synaptic - at the variants I have
looked at. If not installed, it can be downloaded using the Software
Center. Synaptic provides a GUI for detailed package management.

#9

Unity looks good, sometimes, so I have been told. But for people use to
GNOME or KDE, I would make sure those desktops are installed and set
them as the default. Everything I have read, and heard, makes me fee
that will be my only choice, once I get my monitor issues fixed so I can
install 11.xx. It may be worse with Win 8 and its "Ribbon" style of
desktop. Good for touch pads but not of desktops. That menu form is
what many of "my" MSO users would not go beyond MSO 2003 or switched to
OOo and then LO.

Lubuntu, Xubuntu, and Kubuntu do not install Unity at all. These have a
similar look and feel to Windows for most users. I believe you can
change the desktop at log in with 11.10 Ubuntu to Gnome 3.X

#10

Hi :slight_smile:
Errr the "Ubuntu Software Center" is a package manager. It tends to be better for installing an entire program rather than individual packages such as codecs, drivers, extensions, libraries and stuff but if you did manage to find the "lo-menubar" there before it might be easier to find it there again and uninstall from there. Either way is good and there are other choices too such as uninstalling directly from the command-line.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#11

Running 10.04, I use GNOME by default, but I have the whole KDE package installed so I can run some of them under GNOME. There are just some things that I do not like about KDE's desktop, but I do like some of their system packages and other software. I just wish it did not change my monitor resolution during boot to 1920x1080, which my monitor cannot do. I installed 11.04 not knowing that, and I had to wipe the install while keeping my data.

#12

Hi :slight_smile:
Ahh great. I just don't know my way around Unity yet. Anyway using the same tool you used before sounds like a good option :wink:

Oh, if things go really badly wrong Ubuntu offers a really neat trick that not many people know about. You can re-install it without formatting or over-writing data. You have to re-install the extra programs again (or remove ones you uninstalled last time)

On about the 3rd screen of the 11.10 installer (and most releases before that too) it offers choices such as
"Erase disk and install Ubuntu" (avoid this one!!) or
"Something else" (this is the one)
It scans your drives and shows your partitions in a nice colourful graphical display. If you chose the wrong option either press the back button or the link to "Advanced partitioning tool" to get to the same gui.

You need to set one partition to be / as that is where the OS and programs go. It needs to be the same partition type as it was before, probably ext4 or ext3. It is good to have a separate /home partition but that is usually in the same partition as the / first time you try Gnu&Linux. Note that /home is a sub-folder inside / and contains user data&settings.

The important thing is to make sure that the "Format?" column has NO ticks. If a partition gets formatted it loses all the data it contained. Ubuntu allows you to install without having any of these ticked. I think it's not recommended as a fresh install is better but it is possible and seems to work well :slight_smile:

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#13

Hi :slight_smile:
I really quite like the 11.10. When i tried the 11.04 i really hated it but the 11.10 is a big improvement. I still prefer traditional menus such as KDE or Gnome or any of the others but i get the feeling Unity is worth getting to know. I like the way the top-taskbar becomes the title-bar when you hover the mouse arrow over it and i really like the way that accessing LibreOffice and Firefox is so easy! :wink:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#14

Hi :slight_smile:

Oops, sorry chimak111. We do get side-tracked quite often. The 11.10 was
only released a few days ago and Unity is very different from the other
Gnu&Linux interfaces so it's difficult to avoid talking about it.

It's good to hear you have solved the problem in such an advanced way!
Congrats and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#15

I've been enjoying it. With respect to the LibreOffice/Base issue, I did one clean install of the 64 bit Ubuntu 11.10, and three upgrades from 11.04. On the clean install, Sun (Oracle) Java is not installed nor is it available in the repository nor is it available from a partner. If you really have to have it it can be installed if you look hard. What I read said Ubuntu felt that the Open JDK had progressed far enough and was secure, and that it would take care of almost anybody's needs. I just left things the way the default install did it and didn't install Sun Java. I uninstalled the packaged LibreOffice that came with Ubuntu, and then installed the 3.4.3 that is directly from LibreOffice. I then tried Base. It was TERRIBLY slow. I checked what it said the Java was, and it said it was Sun Microsystems, Inc. Version 1.6.0_23. With a clean install, where did it come from??? Maybe it read the OpenJDK as being 1.6.0_23 as being the Sun Version. I don't know. So the I installed 1.6.0_21 and Base was very happy again!!!!!!! In Synaptic there is no evidence that Sun Java 1.6.0_23 is installed, nor does 1.6.0_21 show up the way we are installing it. Could it have been shipped with Base?

Don

#16

Hi :slight_smile:
Ahh great. I just don't know my way around Unity yet. Anyway using the same tool you used before sounds like a good option :wink:

Oh, if things go really badly wrong Ubuntu offers a really neat trick that not many people know about. You can re-install it without formatting or over-writing data. You have to re-install the extra programs again (or remove ones you uninstalled last time)

On about the 3rd screen of the 11.10 installer (and most releases before that too) it offers choices such as
"Erase disk and install Ubuntu" (avoid this one!!) or
"Something else" (this is the one)
It scans your drives and shows your partitions in a nice colourful graphical display. If you chose the wrong option either press the back button or the link to "Advanced partitioning tool" to get to the same gui.

You need to set one partition to be / as that is where the OS and programs go. It needs to be the same partition type as it was before, probably ext4 or ext3. It is good to have a separate /home partition but that is usually in the same partition as the / first time you try Gnu&Linux. Note that /home is a sub-folder inside / and contains user data&settings.

The important thing is to make sure that the "Format?" column has NO ticks. If a partition gets formatted it loses all the data it contained. Ubuntu allows you to install without having any of these ticked. I think it's not recommended as a fresh install is better but it is possible and seems to work well :slight_smile:

One trick I have been using is to use two different partitions for a
base Linux install. The smaller one is the "/" partition and the larger
one is /home partition. This allows only updating the OS without
affecting the user data. To do this, I select the option to do a custom
install during installation.

#17

Hi :slight_smile:
The /home and the linux-swap partitions can be shared by different distros each having a / on a different small partition. For Ubuntu i try to use 8GB partitions for / but it really doesn't need more than 5GB if the /home is separate. Most other distros can cope happily with much less.

If you use the same DE (Gnome, KDE, LxDE or whatever) then it can make some of the distros look a bit strange unless you use a different user-name which often kinda defeats the object of sharing the /home
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: planas <jslozier@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.4.3 on Ubuntu 11.10 (Unity 3D)
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 18 October, 2011, 22:55

> Hi :slight_smile:
> Ahh great.  I just don't know my way around Unity
yet.  Anyway using the same tool you used before sounds
like a good option :wink:

<snip />

> You need to set one partition to be / as that is where
the OS and programs go.  It needs to be the same
partition type as it was before, probably ext4 or
ext3.  It is good to have a separate /home partition
but that is usually in the same partition as the / first
time you try Gnu&Linux.  Note that /home is a
sub-folder inside / and contains user
data&settings. 
>

<snip />

#18

...
If you would have /read/ what it said, you would have seen that it was
*openJDK* version 1.6.0_23 (which of course is the Sun/Oracle package) -
bottom of the Java options panel:
Location:/usr/lib/jvm/java6-openjdk/jre

Note: You might want to install the full LO as the initial install
misses quite a few components (same as the (U)OOo did:

$ sudo apt-get install libreoffice

That will pull in additional packages such as libhsqldb-java,
libreoffice-java-common etc.

Regarding sun-java6-jre: it's not included due to Oracle's recent
licensing changes.
See:<http://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/sylvestre/2011/08/26/sun_java6_packages_removed_from_debian_u>
and
http://robilad.livejournal.com/90792.html

So any further bug reports regarding Ubuntu/linux from 11.10 onward will
have to deal with openJDK instead as I doubt that Ubuntu will accept any
further bug reports regarding sun-java6.

You can file a bug report against openjdk here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bugs
and libreoffice (with ref to openjdk) here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffic
if something is broken in your distro version. The Ubuntu LO maintainers
can then 'upstream' the bugs if necessary.

#19

I cannot get a 11.10 CD/DVD to do a "live demo" on a Ubuntu system. My only Windows machine I have working is dual boot and I cannot get it to boot from the CD. It keeps going to GRUB. When I choose Win Vista, it does not boot from the CD then. So I cannot see what 11.10 looks like. Since it wants to boot at 1920 by 1080 [nVidia MoB graphics] and my monitor max out at 1368 by 768, it causes problems.

I still will use GNOME/KDE combo for my desktop and packages.

#20

Hi NoOP,

Thank you for your detailed response. With all due respect, when I clicked in LibreOffice on Tools/Options/Java LibreOffice said exactly:
Sun Microsystems, Inc. Version 1.6.0_23

and not openJDK

I can take a screenshot of it for you tomorrow if you would like.

Don