LibreOffice Manager disc usage

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#1

Hi all,

I'm trying to upgrade from LO 3.3 to 3.4 on a space constrained PCLINUXOS
/root disc. I know I could remove LO 3.3 and then install LO 3.4 from
scratch. However, in APT there is an option:
dir::cache::archives "/home/username/cache"
which gets APT to put the temporary cache anywhere you want it. Is there an
equivalent for LO Manager so I can upgrade rather than remove and reinstall
each time?

Cheers,
David

#2

Hi :
It's better to stick with 3.3.2 if you can. The 3.4 is for early adopters only.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: djfw <davidjwhelan@yahoo.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 16:48:10
Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice Manager disc usage

Hi all,

I'm trying to upgrade from LO 3.3 to 3.4 on a space constrained PCLINUXOS
/root disc. I know I could remove LO 3.3 and then install LO 3.4 from
scratch. However, in APT there is an option:
dir::cache::archives "/home/username/cache"
which gets APT to put the temporary cache anywhere you want it. Is there an
equivalent for LO Manager so I can upgrade rather than remove and reinstall
each time?

Cheers,
David

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#3

Thanks for the advice Tom. I will follow it, though I was thinking of
testing the upgrades to the filters for MS files.

However, when a stable 3.4 version is released (3.4.1?) I will still face
the same issue...

#4

From my experience and from reports here at the Users list, the MS filters

are much more stable in version 3.3.x

If you want to test a new version I would recommend 3.3.3RC1

(Go to Download, Pre-Releases on the libreoffice.org site)

#5

OK. I will try 3.3.3RC1.

Any ideas at all on how to deal with the temp files / cache issue with
Manager? I have the APT workaround in place but Manager either does not
take it into account when working out available disc space or it uses it's
own update process and so finds it's temp space via another pointer
somewhere else.

Cheers

#6

Hi :slight_smile:
It's probably worth posting a bug-report
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
to help the developers.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: djfw <davidjwhelan@yahoo.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 17:54:24
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Manager disc usage

Thanks for the advice Tom. I will follow it, though I was thinking of
testing the upgrades to the filters for MS files.

However, when a stable 3.4 version is released (3.4.1?) I will still face
the same issue...

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#7

Hi David,

djfw wrote (07-06-11 17:48)

I'm trying to upgrade from LO 3.3 to 3.4 on a space constrained PCLINUXOS
/root disc. I know I could remove LO 3.3 and then install LO 3.4 from
scratch. However, in APT there is an option:
dir::cache::archives "/home/username/cache"
which gets APT to put the temporary cache anywhere you want it. Is there an
equivalent for LO Manager so I can upgrade rather than remove and reinstall
each time?

No, there isn't, apart from what currently is offered by the Linux distros.
For sure it is on someone's wish-list or in BugZilla.

In stead of removing 3.3.x: you can also install in parallel:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

Kind regards,

#8

Hi David,

djfw wrote (07-06-11 18:54)

Thanks for the advice Tom. I will follow it, though I was thinking of
testing the upgrades to the filters for MS files.

It ís worth to test 3.4.0 too.
Identifying problems, and helping with a clear description is extremely valuable to help bugs getting fixed.
Some info can be found here:
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA
(Since you asked about some special features, I trust you are able to cope with that :wink:
So in the end, you'll have a better chance of the bug being fixed in 3.4.1 ..

However, when a stable 3.4 version is released (3.4.1?) I will still face
the same issue...

Does not necessary have to be, as I already explained.

By the way: 3.3.x branch is different from 3.4.x.
3.3.x is extended with some bug fix releases over the year, to get optimal quality for companies and other organisations and users that really rely on easy and stability, without having to be careful for some bugs or use workarounds.

As background info, there is an interesting article
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/05/13/announcing-a-new-beta-release/
and alike image
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Adapt-o-meter.png

Cheers,

#9

Hi Tom and Cor,
Thanks for the suggestions. I've just been over checking on:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/
that I got to from Tom's idea of reporting a bug. Cheers, Tom.
Unfortunately no luck with any of my searches.
I have also had a good look in the /opt/libreoffice/ directories and thought
that maybe one of the .......rc files might be the place for a directory
pointer. I have seen several that refer to TMP directories but I have no
idea which rc file would be appropriate or it's exact directive format. The
other option is the startup shell scripts, but I haven't been able to
identify which one is for Manager. Either of you two (or anyone else) know
where there may be doco on the libreoffice rc files and / or the shell
scripts? Is it possible that it could be an option when starting from the
command line? Know of any doco on CL for LO?
I take your point about testing 3.4 and helping with the QA on that. Will
look into it if it comes to that!

#10

Hi :slight_smile:
The link i gave was to help you post a new bug-report if you couldn't find an
existing one. Posting a new bug-report helps alert devs that there is a problem
to fix.

I'm not sure about what you are trying to do. Cor suggested answers to the
actual problem i think but i didn't understand any of that.
Good luck and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

From: djfw <davidjwhelan@yahoo.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 19:41:36
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Manager disc usage

Hi Tom and Cor,
Thanks for the suggestions. I've just been over checking on:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/
that I got to from Tom's idea of reporting a bug. Cheers, Tom.
Unfortunately no luck with any of my searches.
I have also had a good look in the /opt/libreoffice/ directories and thought
that maybe one of the .......rc files might be the place for a directory
pointer. I have seen several that refer to TMP directories but I have no
idea which rc file would be appropriate or it's exact directive format. The
other option is the startup shell scripts, but I haven't been able to
identify which one is for Manager. Either of you two (or anyone else) know
where there may be doco on the libreoffice rc files and / or the shell
scripts? Is it possible that it could be an option when starting from the
command line? Know of any doco on CL for LO?
I take your point about testing 3.4 and helping with the QA on that. Will
look into it if it comes to that!

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#11

Hi Tom (and all else),
The initial issue is that my /root disc is space constrained (~600MB free)
but my /home partition has >5GB free. LO Manager tells me "not enough disk
space" when I try to upgrade from LO 3.3 to 3.4. Under APT there is an
option that tells APT to use /home for it's cache and so I can perform
larger updates than if it used /root. LO Manager appears not to use the APT
option for, at least, it's available disc space estimate at the beginning
and so tells me "not enough disk space".
I am wondering if any of the rc or shell files or command line are where an
option may exist to redirect the Manager to store it's temp or cache files
and so use the /home partition. There are options in some of the rc files
for various TMP directories, so there may already be an option if I can find
it. I can work it out if there is doco but do not know where it is, if it
exists.
Cheers

#12

Hi

Hi Tom (and all else),
The initial issue is that my /root disc is space constrained (~600MB free)
but my /home partition has >5GB free. LO Manager tells me "not enough disk
space" when I try to upgrade from LO 3.3 to 3.4. Under APT there is an
option that tells APT to use /home for it's cache and so I can perform
larger updates than if it used /root. LO Manager appears not to use the APT
option for, at least, it's available disc space estimate at the beginning
and so tells me "not enough disk space".
I am wondering if any of the rc or shell files or command line are where an
option may exist to redirect the Manager to store it's temp or cache files
and so use the /home partition. There are options in some of the rc files
for various TMP directories, so there may already be an option if I can find
it. I can work it out if there is doco but do not know where it is, if it
exists.
Cheers

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You might be able to resize the partitions using a partition manager
like gparted or other partition manager. Of course this only works if
both logical drives on the same physical drive.

I do not remember if you specified you drive set up earlier.

#13

Thanks, Jay. Theoretically possible, but practically not available due to
limited backup availability. I can backup what is critical, but not
everything.

Sounds like I need to bother the devs with a feature request and request for
info / doco on the rc's and shell scripts.

Cheers

#14

Hi David,

djfw wrote (07-06-11 20:41)

I have also had a good look in the /opt/libreoffice/ directories and thought
that maybe one of the .......rc files might be the place for a directory
pointer. I have seen several that refer to TMP directories but I have no
idea which rc file would be appropriate or it's exact directive format. The
other option is the startup shell scripts, but I haven't been able to
identify which one is for Manager.

Brave questions :slight_smile:
I think you have to start here..
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Code_Overview
and then consult developers.
But pls before posting to their list ... read this page
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Use_of_MailList

Either of you two (or anyone else) know
where there may be doco on the libreoffice rc files and / or the shell
scripts? Is it possible that it could be an option when starting from the
command line? Know of any doco on CL for LO?

Check out these:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/Article/Command_Line_Arguments

I take your point about testing 3.4 and helping with the QA on that. Will
look into it if it comes to that!

great, thanks for that,

#15

Cor Nouws wrote:

#16

djfw wrote (08-06-11 19:16)

Had a look at that and the best chance appears to be:
-userid=<path to user configuration> Start the Office using the provided
user installation folder. DEPRECATED
....? SO not so good.

If you want to change the location of the user configuration, cahnge that in /<path>program/bootstrap.ini (..rc)

See info somewhere on this page
   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

#17

Hi :slight_smile:
Could you acquire a 'new' hard-drive to use for your /home? Rsync rather than
copy&paste to keep permissions the same.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving

If you want to resize your existing partitions then you would need to boot from
a LiveCd/Usb or some other drive. You could probably take the drive out of the
machine it's in and put it as the 2nd drive in another machine. You can only
resize partitions that are not being used.
Good luck and regards from
Tom :slight_smile: