LO 4.1.3.2

Cliff_Scott2 · November 2, 2013, 8:29pm

Hi Y'all,

I have been using LO 4.0.5 for some time and just installed 4.1.3.2. Opened a
document that I had been doing in 4.0.5 and found that 4.1.3.2 doesn't see
one of my fonts, Calibri Light. It doesn't appear in the list of fonts at
all. Only the base Calibri appears. In 4.0.5 both the base and the Light
appear as separate fonts in the font dropdown list. I'm running OSx 10.7.5 on
a MacBook Pro. Checked via the Font Book app and Calibri Light appears
normally. Validated the font and no problems were found. Interestingly
Calibri Light was the last font I have installed. Even reinstalled it. I
would normally reboot to make sure something wasn't just funny that would be
corrected by rebooting, but can't do that right now. Ideas anyone?

Thanks.
Cliff

Cliff_Scott2 · November 4, 2013, 8:39pm

** Reply to message from "Cliff Scott" <cfly@intergate.com> on Sat, 2 Nov
2013 15:29:02 -0500

Reminder: This is on a Mac with OSx Lion (10.7.5).

Sorry for replying to my own message, but I finally rebooted and no help. I
removed the whole family of fonts and reinstalled them and still LO 4.1..3.2
will not recognize Calibri Light. This is mind boggling to me since, as far
as I can see, it sees all the other installed fonts. This may sound strange,
but without this font I cannot use this version. This is a key font in a
newsletter I publish.

Please, if anyone has any ideas what can be done to make this work speak up.
I would very much like to upgrade to the 4.1.3.2 version, but can't with this
issue.

Thanks for any ideas or suggestions.

Cliff

Marc_Grober · November 4, 2013, 9:06pm

I guess I should first ask if you open a doc that has text formatted as
Calibri Light, what font is it being shown as under 4.1.2.3, what is
the provenance of the Calibri Light, have you confirmed that the font
is available for all uses and all users, and whether it is not only
activated but enabled (two different things).

Then I might suggest logging out of your account on the subject machine,
logging in with a new account, creating a new document, checking the
default font, and then typing some text and try to format it as calibri
Light. This should resolve all questions as to whether the issue has
something to do with your pre-existing preferences, non-availability as
a system, font, etc.

If no joy, download Scrivener, install and test and see if Calibri Light
shows up and is usable. If not, then there is an issue with your font,
if it does then you may be looking at a bug....

krackedpress · November 4, 2013, 9:13pm

Would you tell us if it is a
.ttf, .otf, or some other font "extension" type.

I do not have "Calibri Light", just "normal", italic, bold, and
bold-italic. All of them are .ttf

There was a similar font listing bug last year or early this year. I do
not remember which version it was that had the missing font in that Mac
system.

Is there any reason why could cannot use 4.0.5 or 4.0.6, till the font
issues are worked out?

I had a problem with the font scroll-down dialog box for the fonts in
4.1.2 [Ubuntu 64-bit], which was a show-stopper for me, but I am
perfectly happy to still use 4.0.5 or 4.0.6 till they get the bug fixes
done.

Just to through this out,

can you copy the font in the "internal" font folder for LO? I know that
there is a folder in Ubuntu/Debian for LO fonts

/etc/libreoffice4.0/share/fonts/truetype/

There are 69 fonts and a file called "fc_local.conf" in that folder.

So I wonder if your Mac has a similar "root" folder for LibreOffice,
there might be a place there to copy that font to so it is within LO's
"internal" list of fonts and not looking for the "font folder" that
shares fonts with all of the installed packages.

Cliff_Scott2 · November 5, 2013, 2:27am

** Reply to message from Kracked_P_P---webmaster <webmaster@krackedpress.com>
on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:07:45 -0500

Thanks for the reply.

Would you tell us if it is a
.ttf, .otf, or some other font "extension" type.

It is .ttf

I do not have "Calibri Light", just "normal", italic, bold, and
bold-italic. All of them are .ttf

Initally all I had in that family was the same ones as you had then found the
Light version which actually is Light and Light Italic.

There was a similar font listing bug last year or early this year. I do
not remember which version it was that had the missing font in that Mac
system.

Is there any reason why could cannot use 4.0.5 or 4.0.6, till the font
issues are worked out?

I can continue using 4.0.5 just fine, just wanted to upgrade and found the
problem.

I had a problem with the font scroll-down dialog box for the fonts in
4.1.2 [Ubuntu 64-bit], which was a show-stopper for me, but I am
perfectly happy to still use 4.0.5 or 4.0.6 till they get the bug fixes
done.

Just to through this out,

can you copy the font in the "internal" font folder for LO? I know that
there is a folder in Ubuntu/Debian for LO fonts

/etc/libreoffice4.0/share/fonts/truetype/

There are 69 fonts and a file called "fc_local.conf" in that folder.

So I wonder if your Mac has a similar "root" folder for LibreOffice,
there might be a place there to copy that font to so it is within LO's
"internal" list of fonts and not looking for the "font folder" that
shares fonts with all of the installed packages.

Same thing on the Mac. Same files in that folder also. I tried adding the
font files to that directory with no joy. Probably needs some process to
"install" so it can see them.

Guess I'll have to file a bug as it makes no sense to have the font appear in
one version and not in the other.

Cliff

Cliff_Scott2 · November 5, 2013, 2:36am

** Reply to message from Marc Grober <marc@interak.com> on Mon, 04 Nov 2013
12:06:32 -0900

Hi Marc,

Thanks for the reply.

I guess I should first ask if you open a doc that has text formatted as
Calibri Light, what font is it being shown as under 4.1.2.3, what is
the provenance of the Calibri Light, have you confirmed that the font
is available for all uses and all users, and whether it is not only
activated but enabled (two different things).

Have tried a document formatted with Calibri Light and just a blank new doc.
Calibri Light does not show up in the dropdown font list at the top of the
page in LO 4.1.3.2. In the document itself the text formatted with Calibri
Light shows Calibri Light in italics at the top of the LO window indicating
that LO doesn't find the font and is substituting another font. Same doc in
LO 4.0.5 shows Calibri Light in the dropdown list as well as correctly using
the font in the document.

I am the only user on the machine. I have checked that it is available,
enabled and verified using the OSx Font Book app. that comes with OSx. I went
so far as to remove the whole Calibri Font family from the system, rebooted
and verified it was gone then reinstalled the Calibri Family again. The
symptoms after that were identical to before.

Seems to me that if one version sees the font that it is available to the
system and the issue has to be with LO 4.1.3.2.

Then I might suggest logging out of your account on the subject machine,
logging in with a new account, creating a new document, checking the
default font, and then typing some text and try to format it as calibri
Light. This should resolve all questions as to whether the issue has
something to do with your pre-existing preferences, non-availability as
a system, font, etc.

If no joy, download Scrivener, install and test and see if Calibri Light
shows up and is usable. If not, then there is an issue with your font,
if it does then you may be looking at a bug....

Opened OpenOffice and it sees the font just fine. Actually it sees better
that LO 4.0.5 in that it shows Calibri Light and Calibri Light Italic in the
font list. LO 4.0.5 only shows Calibri Light.

Time for a bug report it seems to me.

Cliff

NoOp · November 5, 2013, 7:00am

...

Sorry, can't help you with a Mac, but...

I copied the Calibri fonts from my Win7 partition and placed in my
~/.fonts folder on linux. Updated the font cache (sudo fc-cache -f -v),
opened LO 4.1.3.2 (Version: 4.1.2.3 Build ID:
40b2d7fde7e8d2d7bc5a449dc65df4d08a7dd38), and both Calibri and Calibri
Light show up in the font menu & work just fine. Note: When you use a
Calibri (or any other font set) you can see the options available via
'Format|Character'. I'm showing the following:

I'll now purge the font(s) due to licencing issues.
I find that FreeSans 11 is a very close match to Calibri 12. You might
want to give that a try. <http://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/>

Ken_Springer · November 5, 2013, 1:55pm

I run Mountain Lion, but I don't have those fonts. If you would like me to see how if it works under Mountain Lion, that might be a clue.

I had a USB 3.5" floppy driver that Leopard would not work with. Nothing wrong with the drive, worked under old OS X at the stores. And, worked under Snow Leopard.

krackedpress · November 5, 2013, 2:21pm

I just copied my entire Fonts folder from Win7 Home Pre. boot to a
flash-drive and it stated it was copying 1,111 items and 485 MB in
size. A lot of the were the .fon files though.

Did the Calibri Light fonts show up on your Win7 boot in LO 4.1.2.3?
Which Linux distro are you using to see that that font set showed up in
the font list?

Yes, it can be good to find a substitute for paid fonts in the free
fonts available, but some projects/publishers may require an exact font
name for the text. Publishers are known to have a very small set of
fonts that can be used in the printed document/book/etc..

I have over 100,000 font files in my collection, so I know there are a
lot of free fonts available. Of course, when I am required to use Adobe
fonts, I have a set of their library of fonts from the early 2000 era to
use.

Cliff_Scott2 · November 5, 2013, 2:53pm

** Reply to message from NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> on Mon, 04 Nov 2013
23:00:26 -0800

> ** Reply to message from "Cliff Scott" <cfly@intergate.com> on Sat, 2 Nov
> 2013 15:29:02 -0500
>
> Reminder: This is on a Mac with OSx Lion (10.7.5).
>
> Sorry for replying to my own message, but I finally rebooted and no help. I
> removed the whole family of fonts and reinstalled them and still LO 4.1..3.2
> will not recognize Calibri Light. This is mind boggling to me since, as far
> as I can see, it sees all the other installed fonts. This may sound strange,
> but without this font I cannot use this version. This is a key font in a
> newsletter I publish.
>
> Please, if anyone has any ideas what can be done to make this work speak up.
> I would very much like to upgrade to the 4.1.3.2 version, but can't with this
> issue.
...

Sorry, can't help you with a Mac, but...

I copied the Calibri fonts from my Win7 partition and placed in my
~/.fonts folder on linux. Updated the font cache (sudo fc-cache -f -v),
opened LO 4.1.3.2 (Version: 4.1.2.3 Build ID:
40b2d7fde7e8d2d7bc5a449dc65df4d08a7dd38), and both Calibri and Calibri
Light show up in the font menu & work just fine. Note: When you use a
Calibri (or any other font set) you can see the options available via
'Format|Character'. I'm showing the following:

Calibri - Regular|Bold|Italic|Bold italic
Calibri Light - Light|Light Italic|Bold|Bold Italic

I'll now purge the font(s) due to licencing issues.
I find that FreeSans 11 is a very close match to Calibri 12. You might
want to give that a try. <http://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/>

NoOp - thanks for your ideas. They gave me a clue how to work around the
issue. It's not the ideal way and the results are not exactly what I wanted,
but may be useable.

Going into Format/Character I find that the Light option is listed under
Calibri, but unfortunately Light Bold isn't listed so when I bold the Light
font it ends up as the Regular Calibri Bold and not Light Bold that it should
be. Apparently LO 4.1.3.2 tries to combine the two fonts into one family
rather than keep them separate. The Mac Font Book also lists them as one
family where in fact they are two families with a common base name. Somehow
LO 4.0.5 keeps them separate, but 4.1.3.2 doesn't. As I said earlier Open
Office also sees them as separate families. At least now I have a better
handle on what's happening. Thanks.

Cliff

NoOp · November 5, 2013, 6:19pm

** Reply to message from NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> on Mon, 04 Nov 2013
23:00:26 -0800

> ** Reply to message from "Cliff Scott" <cfly@intergate.com> on Sat, 2 Nov
> 2013 15:29:02 -0500

...

'. I'm showing the following:

Calibri - Regular|Bold|Italic|Bold italic
Calibri Light - Light|Light Italic|Bold|Bold Italic

I'll now purge the font(s) due to licencing issues.
I find that FreeSans 11 is a very close match to Calibri 12. You might
want to give that a try. <http://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/>

NoOp - thanks for your ideas. They gave me a clue how to work around the
issue. It's not the ideal way and the results are not exactly what I wanted,
but may be useable.

Going into Format/Character I find that the Light option is listed under
Calibri, but unfortunately Light Bold isn't listed so when I bold the Light
font it ends up as the Regular Calibri Bold and not Light Bold that it should
be. Apparently LO 4.1.3.2 tries to combine the two fonts into one family
rather than keep them separate. The Mac Font Book also lists them as one
family where in fact they are two families with a common base name. Somehow
LO 4.0.5 keeps them separate, but 4.1.3.2 doesn't. As I said earlier Open
Office also sees them as separate families. At least now I have a better
handle on what's happening. Thanks.

I had to install AOOo in a parallel folder so that it doesn't end up
polluting my file associations (long story) & found:

Both AOOo AOO401m5(Build:9714) - Rev. 1524958 2013-09-20 11:54 - Linux
x86_64) and LO 4.1.3.2 act identical, at least on the linux versions.
Both use a substitute font for Calibri Light Bold/Bold Italic. That is
because only Calibri Light and Calibri Light Italic are in the fonts
that I copied over from Win7. Calibri Bold and Bold Italic
(calibriz.ttf) are available, so those fonts aren't substituted.

You can verify by Format|Character and then selecting Calibre
Light>Bold/Bold Light and notice the notification: "This font style will
be simulated or the closest matching style will be used.". If you select
only Claibri Light|Light/Light Italic the message will change to: "The
same font will be used on both your printer and your screen".

NoOp · November 5, 2013, 7:30pm

...

Did the Calibri Light fonts show up on your Win7 boot in LO 4.1.2.3?

Yes. And also in WinXP.

Which Linux distro are you using to see that that font set showed up in
the font list?

Doesn't matter - Ubuntu, Fedora, other. LO et al are installed
independent of any distro version. I gave up on distro versions a long
time ago.

Yes, it can be good to find a substitute for paid fonts in the free
fonts available, but some projects/publishers may require an exact font
name for the text. Publishers are known to have a very small set of
fonts that can be used in the printed document/book/etc..

Then up your price to the publisher by $120:
<http://www.fonts.com/font/microsoft-corporation/calibri#product_423239>

Another similar (I've not compared for EN spacing etc):
<http://www.exljbris.com/fontinsans.htm>
Note: it's important to compare/modify font spacing when substitute
fonts. They may look the same character-by-character, but character
spacing can make quite a difference in line length/height etc. That's
primarily why a college course, publisher, et al require exact fonts.

...

NoOp · November 5, 2013, 7:55pm

...

Another similar (I've not compared for EN spacing etc):
<http://www.exljbris.com/fontinsans.htm>
Note: it's important to compare/modify font spacing when substitute
fonts. They may look the same character-by-character, but character
spacing can make quite a difference in line length/height etc. That's
primarily why a college course, publisher, et al require exact fonts.

Sorry, forgot to add that you can scale FreeSans 10 pretty close to
Calibri 12:

Format>Character>Position>Rotation/Scaling|Scale width: 111%

krackedpress · November 5, 2013, 10:56pm

If you have access to Humanist fonts [521, 777, 970], they make a good
substitute for Calibri, but they may be just slightly taller. They have
"Light" versions that can be used.

Any good Humanist style of font might work, if you cannot get Calibri
Light working properly.

Actually there a a lot of great looking fonts out there that are free,
but sometimes you might have a "paid" font installed by some package
already that could work for you. Since Calibri is a "humanist font" I
would look at any of them first.
.

Cley_Faye · November 5, 2013, 10:58pm

but sometimes you might have a "paid" font installed by some package
already that could work for you. Since Calibri is a "humanist font" I
would look at any of them first.

Especially since some fonts might not be free of use in some context,
even if they are somehow installed on a system.

Cliff_Scott2 · November 6, 2013, 1:21am

Quoting NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net>:

** Reply to message from NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> on Mon, 04 Nov 2013
23:00:26 -0800

> ** Reply to message from "Cliff Scott" <cfly@intergate.com> on Sat, 2 Nov
> 2013 15:29:02 -0500

...

'. I'm showing the following:

Calibri - Regular|Bold|Italic|Bold italic
Calibri Light - Light|Light Italic|Bold|Bold Italic

I'll now purge the font(s) due to licencing issues.
I find that FreeSans 11 is a very close match to Calibri 12. You might
want to give that a try. <http://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/>

NoOp - thanks for your ideas. They gave me a clue how to work around the
issue. It's not the ideal way and the results are not exactly what I wanted,
but may be useable.

Going into Format/Character I find that the Light option is listed under
Calibri, but unfortunately Light Bold isn't listed so when I bold the Light
font it ends up as the Regular Calibri Bold and not Light Bold that it should
be. Apparently LO 4.1.3.2 tries to combine the two fonts into one family
rather than keep them separate. The Mac Font Book also lists them as one
family where in fact they are two families with a common base name. Somehow
LO 4.0.5 keeps them separate, but 4.1.3.2 doesn't. As I said earlier Open
Office also sees them as separate families. At least now I have a better
handle on what's happening. Thanks.

I had to install AOOo in a parallel folder so that it doesn't end up
polluting my file associations (long story) & found:

Both AOOo AOO401m5(Build:9714) - Rev. 1524958 2013-09-20 11:54 - Linux
x86_64) and LO 4.1.3.2 act identical, at least on the linux versions.
Both use a substitute font for Calibri Light Bold/Bold Italic. That is
because only Calibri Light and Calibri Light Italic are in the fonts
that I copied over from Win7. Calibri Bold and Bold Italic
(calibriz.ttf) are available, so those fonts aren't substituted.

You can verify by Format|Character and then selecting Calibre
Light>Bold/Bold Light and notice the notification: "This font style will
be simulated or the closest matching style will be used.". If you select
only Claibri Light|Light/Light Italic the message will change to: "The
same font will be used on both your printer and your screen".

Correct. I have done all that. The issue with LO 4.1.3.2 is that it cannot differentiate between the font sub-families, I guess you would call them, so it thinks Calibri and Calibri Light are the same family. They are in a sense, but not in another sense and LO 4.0.5 can tell the difference and 4.1.3.2 cannot. AOO can tell the difference also even better than LO 4.0.5 in that it separates out Calibri, Calibri Light and Calibri Light Italic as separate fonts in the drop down list so I can choose which ever one I want. In 4.1.3.2 I can make the Calibri Light work using the Format/Character menus, but cannot any way get Calibri Light Bold to work as it isn't listed anywhere. Somehow LO has changed how the fonts are differentiated and it really messes up this font access.

Cliff

NoOp · November 6, 2013, 3:56am

Quoting NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net>:

...

Both AOOo AOO401m5(Build:9714) - Rev. 1524958 2013-09-20 11:54 - Linux
x86_64) and LO 4.1.3.2 act identical, at least on the linux versions.
Both use a substitute font for Calibri Light Bold/Bold Italic. That is
because only Calibri Light and Calibri Light Italic are in the fonts
that I copied over from Win7. Calibri Bold and Bold Italic
(calibriz.ttf) are available, so those fonts aren't substituted.

You can verify by Format|Character and then selecting Calibre
Light>Bold/Bold Light and notice the notification: "This font style will
be simulated or the closest matching style will be used.". If you select
only Claibri Light|Light/Light Italic the message will change to: "The
same font will be used on both your printer and your screen".

Correct. I have done all that. The issue with LO 4.1.3.2 is that it
cannot differentiate between the font sub-families, I guess you would
call them, so it thinks Calibri and Calibri Light are the same family.
They are in a sense, but not in another sense and LO 4.0.5 can tell
the difference and 4.1.3.2 cannot. AOO can tell the difference also
even better than LO 4.0.5 in that it separates out Calibri, Calibri
Light and Calibri Light Italic as separate fonts in the drop down list
so I can choose which ever one I want. In 4.1.3.2 I can make the
Calibri Light work using the Format/Character menus, but cannot any
way get Calibri Light Bold to work as it isn't listed anywhere.
Somehow LO has changed how the fonts are differentiated and it really
messes up this font access.

Interesting... maybe a MAC difference? Both my Windows (WinXP and Win7)
and Linux (Ubuntu and Fedora) versions of AOOo and LO only show Calibri
and Calibri Light in the dropdown. Calibri Light Italic (it is installed
on my Windows system) isn't listed in the dropdowns. Ditto for other
Windows applications: MSWord, Works, Wordpad.

Cliff_Scott2 · November 6, 2013, 3:38pm

The strange thing is that LO 4.0.5 on the same system shows both Calibri and Calibri Light in the drop down. 4.1.3.2 shows only Calibri so something changed in 4.1.3.2. Grrrr.

krackedpress · November 6, 2013, 4:10pm

Of course, some font families have
"normal" - regular, bold, italic, bold italic
"light" - regular and italic
dark or heavy - regular and italic
wide - regular, bold, italic, bold italic
narrow - regular, bold, italic, bold italic

then there are "demi" and other font "style" names for the different
font weights out there. I have seen one font family with 4 or 5
different font weights, plus the wide, narrow, condensed, and other font
width options. The designers can go crazy with the combinations of font
weight and width, and packages like LO need to be able to handle them all.

As for "light bold", what is the difference in font weight between
"normal" and the "standard" bold weights? Somewhere between them?
Light, normal, light-bold, bold?

Cliff_Scott2 · November 6, 2013, 10:06pm

Great idea! Actually in this case Calibri Light Bold that I can see in 4.0.5 is almost identical to Calibri Regular as seen in 4.1.3.2. That will be very workable, though it would be nice to have the basic problem of the Light not showing up in the dropdown list corrected. The Regular Bold which is substituted for Light Bold is way too bold.

Problem not fixed, but a very acceptable work around for now. Thanks everyone for your input.

Cliff