LO 4.1.3

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#1

Hi ALL,

As appraised to you all I am an ordinary computer user limited to word, excel & ppt. But an ardent fan & supporter of LIBRE OFFICE.

Was till now using LO 3.?.? not sur eof the succeeding digits. Recently downloaded 4.1.3 but am facing lot of problems with it:

Hangs for no good reason - almost at par with MS Office with VISTA

got a pdf file converted to word online & the resultant was .rtf LO 4 would open it in .odt allow me to save it in .odt but when I try to open the LO file I receive an error msg box:

Libre Office 4.1.3.2 X

Red Read-Error.
Circle Error reading file.

                 OK

Have tried it several times but to the same result.

I feel LO 4.1.3.2 needs some time before novices like can use it.

What would happen if I download LO 3.5.7 (already started it from Source Forge. Will there be a clash between the 2 versions? Will LO 4.1.3.2 allow me to install the older version LO 3.5.7?

I do not want to first uninstal LO 4.1.3.2 & then install LO 3.5.7 is this possible? or will there be a down time i.e. uninstall LO 4.1.3.2 then download LO 3.5.7 & then install it?

Kindly suggest

thanks & regards
kunwar

#2

Kunwar, if it is of interest for you: you can install both versions in
parallel - see
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

Regards,
Nino

#3

Hi,

I would suggest to use https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/ without
forgetting : 1 problem/1 bugtracker.
Before this, rename your LO directory profile (see
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile).

Julien

#4

Hi Everyone,

also try the incoming 4.1.4.x release, in the RC1 there were almost 100 bug fixed (with 2 rtf import filter related, :wink: ):
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/4.1.4/
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.1.4/RC1

Make us know the resulting behaviors...

I suggest to you to rename your LibreOffice home dir as stated in the Julien mail...

Have a nice day,

Carlo

ing. Carlo Strata

#5

Hi :slight_smile:
In the future it might be best to just keep the installer files
somewhere locally. That way you can easily uninstall and then
reinstall later. I tend to keep the old installers accident anyway
but by the time i might want to reinstall it's easier for me to just
download the next newer version. I try to delete some of the versions
so that i only have 1 or 2 at a time.

As for why Vista keeps hanging. Does it happen with other programs or
is it just MS Office and LibreOffice so far? Have you done a defrag
and run "disk cleanup" fairly recently? It's a good idea to do
routine maintenance like that about 1/month. Also do you know how
much free-space you have on your hard-drive? Windows tends to need
over 20% free otherwise it suffers from more slow-downs. I often find
people simply haven't emptied their recycle bin or haven't emptied the
wastebin in their email program.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#6

The fact that I had to downgrade from 4.2.3.2 to 4.0.6 due to bugs and Nino's proposal to install 2 versions parallel made my thinking that it would be very efficient to have the install wiazerd modify to use it to replace a version or install it parallel to an existing one.

I am just hesitant to go trough the work of installing LibO through the command line.

In my case I would install 4.0.6 (stable) and 4.1.3.2 (with some nasty bugs for me but some interesting features as well). With 2 versions I also could do easy testing for bug reports.

Is there interest/support for having the installed wizard modified to enable parallel installations?

#7

Hi :slight_smile:
Ahh, i think just go for a standard normal reinstall of 4.1.3. maybe
re-download the installer to make sure that isn't the problem
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#8

The actual computer magazine c't compared
OpenOffice and LibreOffice and come to the
result that the new versions of LibreOffice (4.1.x) had
more features than OpenOffice.
(but often unneeded like the work counting ... never understodd who needs
such features I never was asked how many words a my document contains)

But the conclusion was:
*LibreOffice is VERY BUGGY*

I can confirm this:

I Installed LibreOffice on the Windows 7 64 bit PC
of a friend, which he use since Version 3.6.

Last Month I did an upgrade to libreoffice 4.1 on his
PC.

Now he had big troubles: From time to time he got the error
"Program does not respond"

I installed now the portable Libreoffice Versions 4.0.x and 4.1.x
and asked him to try out the both ... always the same problems.

He could not work with these versions.

Now I downgraded to libreoffice 3.6 and all works fine.

On my Kubuntu 64 bit Linux I had no problems with LibreOffice,
so its perhaps the Windows version which is actually more buggy.

Please Guys ... SLOW DOWN THE FEATURE ADDITIONS and TEST IT BETTER.

Nobody gives pressure on you, at least not me: I am a great fan of
LibreOffice and switched from OpenOffice to LibreOffice a long time ago.

But ... I will not recommend it to my friends in the next time, sorry.

Anton

Kunwar Shivpal Singh wrote:

#9

I am running 4.0.6 on Ubuntu 64-bit and Windows 7 32- and 64-bit systems.
I have no problems and would not say anything like "very buggy".

As for 4.1.3, well it is not as "far along" as a line as the 4.0.x line is. Sure there may be some bugs, but "very buggy" is not what I would call it either.

I would not use the Portable versions of LO to be the test on how well LO works normally. Portable versions tend to run very slow for me and do not represent how well the version actually works as a non-portable version.

Well, since you state that you use Kubuntu, install 4.0.6 instead of just downgrading to the 3.6 line. I bet you would like 4.0.6 better than 3.6.x. Try it and see. I still recommend 4.0.6 to people I deal with, instead of the 4.1.x line. In a few versions, I should be ready to jump to 4.1.5 or 4.1.6 and use it as my primary version and start telling my friends and associates to upgrade then as well.

#10

Hi :slight_smile:
+1
What people often seem to misunderstand is that when a branch is first
released it may be a bit buggy but that tends to settle down as
further releases happen in the branch. So;

3.6.0, 4.0.0, 4.1.0 and 4.2.0 all introduced many new features so all
had the potential for finding some of those created unexpected
problems.

Then
3.6.1, 4.0.1, 4.1.1 and later on the 4.2.1 may add a little more
functionality but tend to focus on just dealing with bugs. This is
much the same as other software that offers a lot of updates just
after their initial release.

Then
3.6.2, 4.0.2, 4.1.2 and later on the 4.2.2 focus on bug fixes. This
is much like the "Service Pack 1" offered by some other companies.
Many people wont even try any software until it reaches at least
"Service Pack 1"

And so on and on. Each branch becomes MUCH more stable when it
reaches x.x.3 and even more so when they reach x.x.4. So, it's not
the case that 3.6.0 becomes more stable. It's not the entire branch
that becomes more stable. In much the same way Xp is still
problematic and adding it's Sp1 still creates the problems people
noticed with it. It's only when Sp2 was added that Xp finally settled
down into being quite good and that still happens now if you install
Xp. However nowadays it's quite easy to install Xp with Sp1 and Sp2
and even it's Sp3. Of course it is quite an old system now so it's
vulnerable to all sorts of newer attacks and it lacks some of the
great new features commonly found in Win7 (with at least it's Sp1).
So, while 3.6.0 is no more stable it does have the advantage that it's
branch has reached 3.6.6. It's the 3.6.6 that is stable.

Of course it's not really a fair comparison because LibreOffice and
OpenOffice never seem to suffer from malware out in the wild. Unlike
comparable software their/our macros are not used as attack vectors.
They don't act as trojans pulling malware onto machines. At worst
there have been a couple of times where the devs have spotted
something potentially less secure in the code and dealt with it before
anyone has been able to take advantage out in the world. Last one i
heard of was the upgrade to 3.4.0 = which was why so many of us pushed
people into jumping to that branch earlier than normal.

Normally i don't install anything earlier than an x.x.4 except on my
own machines for testing. People who claim LibreOffice is unstable
seem to all have 1 thing in common = they all try an x.x.0 or maybe a
x.x.1 or perhaps even pre-release beta testing versions.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#11

Hi Tom,Thanks for the hint, I will do with the 4.1.4 version which is
      scheduled to be released this week.RPresidentthe service institute japan... the service enhancement companywww.tsij.org

#12

If you want to try 4.0.6 first, since you jumped from 3.6.x, it might be a good idea. It is at the end on that line and I use it all of the time.

Sure, you can try 4.1.4 when it comes out, but 4.0.6 is very stable and you can use it as a stepping stone to the 4.1.x line. The "messages" about 4.1.3 being too "buggy" for you [or others] suggests going to 4.0.6 and not going back down to the 3.6.x line. Later, when all of the "possible problems" with 4.1.4 comes in, you can decide if it is ready for you to use.

Still, personally, I would try 4.0.6, for now. Then look into 4.1.4 or 4.1.5 later.

#13

Hi ALL

have installed LO 4.0.6 - EXCELLENT. THE SAME GREAT LIBRE OFFICE. Now I have got it - its the third digit that counts. Higher the digit greater the stability.

THANKS A LOT

Warm Regards & BEST WISHES
kunwar

#14

Thanks for the hint with 4.0.6. This version is indeed very stable and it has a least one feature which I missed in previous version. Thus I currently very happy with 4.0.6.

I used 4.0.5 before, changed to 4.1.3.2 and then back to 4.0.6. Maybe Tom is write and something happend during the download/installation of 4.1.3.2 and thus this version showed a few bugs of which one I could not accept.

Currently I am thinking about installing 4.1.4 but maybe I don't have time for installation and then 4.1.5 will be released.....

#15

Hi :slight_smile:
It sounds like you are happier with much later releases in a branch.
It makes sense to wait for the x.x.5. For a lot of people the x.x.4
is the best balance between new features and stability. If you
normally use more than 1 machine then getting a x.x.0 on one and
keeping the other at the last stable one you were happy with makes a
lot of sense. It's good to test-drive early releases and post
bug-reports against them but to have the stable one for normal use.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#16

For the most part, I tend to wait till the line goes to x.x.4 or x.x.5 before I upgrade to it.

I currently use 4.0.6 on all but one system, Ubuntu, XP, and Win7. I have a Win7 system that I use as a testing platform and installed 4.1.3 on it. I do not use that system much though.

As a person who hands out LO to others and recommends it to organizations, I tend to be conservative and wait till a line gets to x.x.4 before offering a DVD to those people and businesses. 4.1.4 cones out soon, so I will be looking at that for my next offering to those I hand out the DVDs to.

As I stated before, I use 4.0.6 myself, but may upgrade to that line then, or wait till 4..1.5. Since my "default" system is Ubuntu 12.04LTS 64-bit, I tend not to upgrade to the "latest and greatest", for the most part. I am waiting for 14.04LTS before upgrading Ubuntu, so this mind-set is applied to LO as well.

#17

Hi :slight_smile:
It's not so much that i "wait for it". I keep meaning to try out the
earlier releases releases in a branch, preferably beta pre-releases of
the x.x.0. DOingf so and running through a few bug-reports to see if
they still happen in the newer version. It's likely to help the devs
stabilise the branch earlier. It might catch their attention at a
time when almost all eyes are on 1 version and maybe help them crack
long-running issues. I just rarely get around to it and suddenly find
the stable release is already upon us.

It's on my colleagues machines that i really need to ensure that only
the most stable versions are installed and i usually skip a few
branches before bothering to upgrade theirs at all.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile: