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Having just installed LibreOffice 3.3 Beta and trying Writer, all
seems fine at first, except that tabbed space at the start of lines
has been filled in with a wiggly line.
Also, a couple of phrases have been underlined with the same wiggly
line (e.g. "walking tour").
How does one switch such marking off (and why it it there)?
(Is this a suitable group for asking these questions?!)
Hello Maurice,
Having just installed LibreOffice 3.3 Beta and trying Writer, all
seems fine at first, except that tabbed space at the start of lines
has been filled in with a wiggly line.
Also, a couple of phrases have been underlined with the same wiggly
line (e.g. "walking tour").
The wiggly line indicates the automatic spellcheck (if it is red) or the
automatic grammar check (if it is blue).
How does one switch such marking off (and why it it there)?
Those checks are done automatically - you can switch it off, if you select
"no language" for your text. (Mark all your text, go to Format > Character
and there is a drop down list, where you can choose "no language").
(Is this a suitable group for asking these questions?!)
Yes, the users list is the right place to ask such questions. 
Sigrid
Many thanks for your response; much appreciated...
The wiggly line indicates the automatic spellcheck (if it is red) or the
automatic grammar check (if it is blue).
They are blue - so 'grammar check'.
Those checks are done automatically - you can switch it off, if you
select "no language" for your text. (Mark all your text, go to
Format Character and there is a drop down list, where you can
choose "no language").
My observations on this:
(1) Using OpenOffice Writer, these 'view' markings no not appear on
this document.
(2) I don't understand why e.g. "walking tour" has been
underlined as a possible grammar error. (There is no error adjacent
to the phrase.)
(Perhaps because this LibreOffice is 'US English' rather than
the GB-English that I use?
How can that be a grammar error even in US English?)
(3) Why is space(s)/tab before the first word of any paragraph
filled with the blue wiggly line?
I don't want to turn grammar checking off, but the marker lines at
the beginning of every paragraph are distracting...
Why is LibreOffice doing this when OpenOffice is not?
Here is an example (between the 2 "---" lines) representing
the blue marker line with the "~" character here:
Having just installed LibreOffice 3.3 Beta and trying Writer, all
seems fine at first, except that tabbed space at the start of lines
has been filled in with a wiggly line.
Also, a couple of phrases have been underlined with the same wiggly
line (e.g. "walking tour").
The wiggly line indicates the automatic spellcheck (if it is red) or the
automatic grammar check (if it is blue).
Correct...
How does one switch such marking off (and why it it there)?
Those checks are done automatically - you can switch it off, if you select
"no language" for your text. (Mark all your text, go to Format > Character
and there is a drop down list, where you can choose "no language").
No sense in doing that when you can just toggle the Auto-spellcheck
(toolbar button)...
I don't use the grammar checker, but I imagine it has a similar way to
toggle the Auto-check?
Hi Maurice,
did you download the language pack for en-GB? If not, you could download and
install it. You'll find it here:
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/rpm/x86/LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-rpm_en-GB.tar.gz
So it could then use the British English you're used to.
Many thanks for your response; much appreciated...
> The wiggly line indicates the automatic spellcheck (if it is red) or the
> automatic grammar check (if it is blue).They are blue - so 'grammar check'.
> Those checks are done automatically - you can switch it off, if you
> select "no language" for your text. (Mark all your text, go to
> Format Character and there is a drop down list, where you can
> choose "no language").My observations on this:
(1) Using OpenOffice Writer, these 'view' markings no not appear on
this document.(2) I don't understand why e.g. "walking tour" has been
underlined as a possible grammar error. (There is no error adjacent
to the phrase.)
(Perhaps because this LibreOffice is 'US English' rather than
the GB-English that I use?
How can that be a grammar error even in US English?)
I remember one remark from André Schnabel on the German users list, that
Language Tool complains about missing articles. So it could be just
something like this.
(3) Why is space(s)/tab before the first word of any paragraph
filled with the blue wiggly line?I don't want to turn grammar checking off, but the marker lines at
the beginning of every paragraph are distracting...Why is LibreOffice doing this when OpenOffice is not?
OOo does not do it, because it does not come by default with
LanguageTool. �
Hello, Maurice,
This is a whole philosophy thing...and it goes back to Microsoft Word for DOS, I believe, if not earlier.
The general philosophy is that structural/style items like indents at the beginning of every paragraph should be set up in the paragraph formatting and not keyed in for each paragraph.
If you need some paragraphs indented and some not, then you need to set up two separate "styles".
I'll admit to not studying styles in LO yet, but it is a very powerful feature--that few use--in MSO.
Cheers,
Richard
Many thanks for your response; much appreciated...
They are blue - so 'grammar check'.
This is an option you can turn off under
Tools->Options->Languages->Writings Aids
My observations on this:
(1) Using OpenOffice Writer, these 'view' markings no not appear on
this document.
Last time I looked, OOo was not shipped with a grammar checker, and
the ones that were available were terrible. LO's grammar checker is
slightly better, but they all hurt to one degree or another. It's a
computer, not a person.
(2) I don't understand why e.g. "walking tour" has been
underlined as a possible grammar error. (There is no error adjacent
to the phrase.)
(Perhaps because this LibreOffice is 'US English' rather than
the GB-English that I use?
How can that be a grammar error even in US English?)
You'd have to go through all the grammar rules the checker uses to
find the one this violates.
English grammar, whether Queen's or American, is queer no matter how
you look at it, and some word combinations we as humans can recognize
as correct but there's a grammar rule somewhere that it violates
because the rules are, shall we say, not exactly rigid.
(3) Why is space(s)/tab before the first word of any paragraph
filled with the blue wiggly line?
As someone else pointed out, it's probably an artifact of your
particular paragraph styles vs. MS Word for DOS (and all of its
descendants, opponents, etc.). Make a style that is indented (say,
"Indented") and use "Body" or "Text Body" for the other and you won't
see this. If you mostly use indented paragraphs, change the "Body"
style to be indented and use something else (e.g. "Text Body") for the
others.
Also, remember that the paragraph style pane in the formatting bar
does not show you all the paragraphs there are, and even if you click
on "More..." at the bottom, which brings up the style window, you
won't necessarily see *all* the styles unless you click on one of the
other styles (page, character, etc.) and then click back. I don't
know why this is, but it's been there since OOo 2.0 at least.
HTH
This is an option you can turn off under
Tools->Options->Languages->Writings Aids
OK - thanks, Mark!
I think what I'll do is work with grammar check 'off' until the
document is complete, then switch it on for a final grammar check.
You'd have to go through all the grammar rules the checker uses to
find the one this violates.
It doesn't bother me much that the occasional word or phrase is
marked - that's not intrusive - and I would welcome it finding it
more subtle grammatical erors.
It's the marking of all the hand-made indents that I cannot
tolerate. It makes too much of a visual mess of the document.
... it's probably an artifact of your
particular paragraph styles vs. MS Word for DOS (and all of its
descendants, opponents, etc.). Make a style that is indented (say,
"Indented") and use "Body" or "Text Body" for the other and you won't
see this. If you mostly use indented paragraphs, change the "Body"
style to be indented and use something else (e.g. "Text Body") for the
others.
My use of Writer is for a few general 'home' letters and such - not
a plethora of large formal documents - and I only have one style.
I do not wish to get into the complication of 'a style for this and
a style for that', etc.
In that sense I have no problem with OpenOffice Writer.
It's bossy LibreOffice that is upsetting my apple cart!
Newcomers to xxxOffice will probably also wonder what the hell all
those wiggly lines are for. Why not leave grammar check 'off' by
default; then the more professional users can use it as they wish?
Then I'd suggest modifying the default style (Body, I think) to indent
the paragraphs and you'll be fine.
Seems the grammar checker can be turned off in
Tools/Options/Languages/Writing aids.
But there is some confusion in the taskbar buttons:
"ABC" (with big green arrow)
A mouse hover reveals "Spelling & Grammar", but the action seems
to be to summarise a check of the whole document.
"ABC"
A mouse hover reveals "SpellChecker", but when I click on it, all
the *grammar* markings disappear from the displayed document
(hurray!), i.e. it has turned off the *grammar* check, even though the
button is labelled 'SpellChecker'....
Nevertheless, I'm happy with the latter, as I can now work in peace
until the document is finished, then click on that button and find out
what errors I might have missed...
Many thanks to all for your help. Much appreciated!
Have now done that - thank you - and Tools/Options/Languages does
show "GB" language environment.
However, the spellchecker is still happy if I use US spelling or GB
spelling, e.g. if I enter:
Harbor favor neighbor harbour favour neighbour
and hit the SpellChecker button, nothing is marked, nor was any word
flagged on text entry - even though "Check spelling as you write" is
set.
Something awry somewhere (or am I overlooking something?).
(Re-posted, as original seems to have gone astray...)
I don't use the grammar checker, but I imagine it has a similar way
to toggle the Auto-check?
Seems the grammar checker can be turned off in
Tools/Options/Languages/Writing aids.
But there is some confusion in the taskbar buttons:
"ABC" (with big green arrow)
A mouse hover reveals "Spelling & Grammar", but the action
seems to be to summarise a check of the whole document.
"ABC"
A mouse hover reveals "SpellChecker", but when I click on
it, all the grammar markings disappear from the displayed
document (hurray!), i.e. it has turned off the grammar
check, even though the button is labelled 'SpellChecker'....
Nevertheless, I'm happy with the latter, as I can now work in
peace until the document is finished, then click on that button
and find out what errors I might have missed...
Many thanks to all for your help. Much appreciated!
Any reason why I should not report that as a bug?
Hi Maurice,
> "ABC"
> A mouse hover reveals "SpellChecker", but when I click on
> it, all the *grammar* markings disappear from the displayed
> document (hurray!), i.e. it has turned off the *grammar*
> check, even though the button is labelled 'SpellChecker'....Any reason why I should not report that as a bug?
No, I can't think of any reason not to report it.
So I'd say go ahead and file a bug report.
Sigrid
Are you sure it didn't just execute the grammar check and pass on the
marked errors?
If so, then yes, it's a bug.
No - all the SpellCheck button does is turn on or off the grammar
check markings.
In fact, although I have the GB Pack installed, no spell checking
at all is happening (and I do have 'Check spelling as you type'
set on, in Writing Aids).
I wonder what the final linkup is between language pack and getting
spellchecking to work, that I have missed....
I've had problems with that in beta2 as well, but it seems to be
working better, at least for US English (ok, our excuse for English...
in beta3.
If there's no solution to this in the 3.3 Beta, than I shall
have to leave any further use of LibreOffice to 3.4's
appearance...
I see in another thread that dictionaries are *not* included in
language packs, so will (try to) d/l the GB dictionary...
Have now installed the 'English' (i.e. GB) dictionary extension, and
all is well now...