locale for an_ES

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#1

Hi,
   I've been working with a colleague on a hunspell spellchecker for Aragonese language (an_ES) that we'd like to integrate into libreoffice. Which are the steps to be followed? Here you have a locale file.
http://www.it46.se/localegen/locale/1314999923_an_ES.xml
  Thanks.
Juan Pablo Martínez

#2

Hi,

Hi,
 I've been working with a colleague on a hunspell spellchecker for Aragonese
language (an_ES) that we'd like to integrate into libreoffice.   Which are
the steps to be followed?  Here you have a locale file.
http://www.it46.se/localegen/locale/1314999923_an_ES.xml

I tried to add your locale data but there were some errors and
warnings that you should correct first (or for the warnings, confirm
that they were intended).

Warning: ListSeparator equals DecimalSeparator.
Error: ListSeparator not ';' semicolon. Strongly recommended.
Currently required.
Warning: Time100SecSeparator is different from DecimalSeparator, this
may be correct or not. Intended?
Warning: Don't forget to adapt corresponding FormatCode elements when
changing separators.
Warning: QuotationStart may be wrong: U+201C “
Warning: QuotationEnd may be wrong: U+201D ”
Warning: DoubleQuotationStart may be wrong: U+2018 ‘
Warning: DoubleQuotationEnd may be wrong: U+2019 ’

Best regards,
Andras

#3

Thanks Andras,
   I just changed the ListSeparator to ';' (and added a couple of spaces in AM 'a. m.' PM 'p. m.'. The rest of the warnings were intendend. I attach the corrected file. Please confirm that it's OK.
  What would be next step to provide the spellchecking capability in Aragonese?
thanks and best regards,
Juan Pablo

#4

Hi Juan Pablo,

Thanks Andras,
 I just changed the ListSeparator to ';'  (and added a couple of spaces in
AM 'a. m.' PM 'p. m.'.  The rest of the warnings were intendend.  I attach
the corrected file.  Please confirm that it's OK.

Yes, it is OK, as long as you are happy with it. I've just pushed it
to git. Thanks for your work.

What would be next step to provide the spellchecking capability in
Aragonese?

Open an issue in bugs.freedesktop.org or just send the link to your
dictionary to this mailing list.

Best regards,
Andras

#5

Hi Andras,
   You'll find the .aff and .dic files in this link.
Thank you!
Juan Pablo

#6

Hi Andras,
   You'll find the .aff and .dic files in this link.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7LT_TqWZipbMzZmNGI5ZmQtZDU3NS00NzE0LTk5ZmYtMWU1MTdlYWU0ODRk&hl=en
Thank you!
Juan Pablo

#7

Hi Juan Pablo,

Hi Andras,
 You'll find the .aff and .dic files in this link.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7LT_TqWZipbMzZmNGI5ZmQtZDU3NS00NzE0LTk5ZmYtMWU1MTdlYWU0ODRk&hl=en
Thank you!
Juan Pablo

Many thanks but please include a copyright notice in a readme file and
also state the licence. Preferred licence is MPL 1.1 / GPLv3+ /
LGPLv3+ tri-licence.

Andras

#8

Hi Andras,
    After talking with Santiago Paricio, the main author of the spelling dictionary (in cc), we added a README_an_ES.txt file with a copyright notice and the licence (MPL 1.1 / GPLv3+ / LGPLv3+ tri-licence).
    Here are the three files:
    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B8NJoNC5B6VWZDI1ZGFhZGItYjM0NS00ODk1LWFiODgtOWJmNTM3ZGUxNjE1&hl=en
    please let me know if anything else is missing.
  Best,
Juan Pablo

#9

2011.09.05. 2:21 keltezéssel, Juan Pablo Martínez Cortés írta:

Hi Andras,
After talking with Santiago Paricio, the main author of the spelling
dictionary (in cc), we added a README_an_ES.txt file with a copyright
notice and the licence (MPL 1.1 / GPLv3+ / LGPLv3+ tri-licence).
Here are the three files:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B8NJoNC5B6VWZDI1ZGFhZGItYjM0NS00ODk1LWFiODgtOWJmNTM3ZGUxNjE1&hl=en

please let me know if anything else is missing.
Best,
Juan Pablo

Hi Juan Pablo,

In an_ES.dic the word list is not sorted and not unique (e.g. the first entry, abandonar/ACDE, is duplicated – that's why I noticed it).

Did you test this dictionary? Maybe it's not a problem, but still...

Best regards,
Andras

#10

Hi,
   Thanks for your comments. Yes, we tested it and it worked (of course with limitations, as it is a preliminary version with a short dictionary). We'll correct the list so that it's unique. It is not sorted because it was easier for us to work by separating parts of speech, but it seems that none of those issues is a problem for hunspell. Anyway, we plan to improve it to a new version in the next weeks, fixing some errors and enlarging the dictionary. As there is no hurry till a new LibO version appears with the an_ES locale, we can wait and send you the files of the new version when we have it.
   Best,
Juan Pablo

#11

Hi,
   We finished a new version 0.2 of the spellchecker for Aragonese (an_ES, whose locale was added in september). As Andras commented last time, the dictionary is not sorted, but we have checked that it does not have any effect either in behaviour or in time performance, so, we kept it as it is (as it is more convenient for us for developement).
    You can find an .rar file with the dictionary and affix file, and a README file with information on licence and release notes at this link
   https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8NJoNC5B6VWMzhlNmQwODUtY2VhMC00Yjk2LWFjZGEtMzljNjVkZjA1Y2Mz
    What should we do to have it available for LibreOffice users?
best,
Juan Pablo

#12

Hi Juan Pablo,

You have two options. One is to include an_ES dictionary into
LibreOffice source. There is a dictionaries module in git, technically
it is possible to add any language to it that LibreOffice can handle.
These dictionaries will be part of releases. On Windows installer it
will be installed for all users by default, regardless of the UI
language. On Linux and Mac dictionaries are in language packs. Here we
will have a little problem with an_ES, because we don't have an_ES UI
localization, so there is no an_ES language pack. We can maybe put it
into Spanish language pack, but I'm not sure about the reactions of
Spanish users. If it's a politically hot issue, we may want to avoid
that - but I don't know anything about it, I leave that to you. The
other option is to make an extension, upload it to
extensions.libreoffice.org and let your users know about that
extension. I can help you in both tasks, either in integration or in
making an extension. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Andras

#13

Hi Andras,
   Thanks for your answer!
   I don't think it's a politically hot issue (or a political issue at all as Aragonese is a language with very low vitality), but you never know if someone is going to complain. Someone working in the es localization could advice about it more objectively. I guess other languages of Spain have all of them an UI localization, and therefore an_ES would be the only one "hosted" by Spanish language pack, am I right?.
   Making an extension also sounds well, and it can be a good idea until we have an an_ES localization. As we plan to continue to improve the dictionary, perhaps an extension is easier for the users to track and install the new versions? If so, this would be a point for making an extension.
   Independently of what way we take, Aragonese can't yet be selected in the last version I downloaded. Do we need to wait until the next release for users to be able to use the spellchecker?
   thanks,
Juan Pablo

#14

Juan Pablo,

I think that the extension should be there anyway, independently of including it in the es_ES language pack. Send me the .dic and .aff files and I can do it.

I think that including it in the es_ES language pack is a good idea. It could be done also for other Spanish minority languages who have not translated the UI, but which have dictionaries.

Cheers,

Javier

#15

Hola Javier,
   You have the .dic, .aff and a readme file in
     https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8NJoNC5B6VWMzhlNmQwODUtY2VhMC00Yjk2LWFjZGEtMzljNjVkZjA1Y2Mz
   If you cannot download them, tell me and I'll mail them to you attached.
  Muitas gracias!
Juan Pablo

#16

Hi Juan Pablo,

Hi Andras,
 Thanks for your answer!
 I don't think it's a politically hot issue (or a political issue at all as
Aragonese is a language with very low vitality), but you never know if
someone is going to complain. Someone working in the es localization could
advice about it more objectively.  I guess other languages of Spain have all
of them an UI localization, and therefore an_ES would be the only one
"hosted" by Spanish language pack, am I right?.

Yes, that's right.

Independently of what way we take, Aragonese can't yet be selected in the
last version I downloaded.  Do we need to wait until the next release for
users to be able to use the spellchecker?

Aragonese was added to LibreOffice master branch on 2011-09-03. It did
not go into the 3.4.x code line, because it is a new feature and only
important bug fixes should go into 3.4.x. So, we will have it in 3.5.

Best regards,
Andras

#17

Hi Andras,

   Last week, I created the "Aragonese spell checker" extension at http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/corrector-ortografico-aragones. Javier Sola taught me how to do the extension (thanks!). I've already checked that it can be installed in the 3.5 beta0, where Aragonese can be selected. So, it's already available.

Being available as an extension, the way of incorporating it directly into LibO source would be nice, although not indispensable. There is the option you mentioned of including it in es_ES UI, which is nice for me, but I don't know it someone else would complain. Wouldn't it be interesting to include a "directory" for languages with linguistic tools but not translated UI? Just an idea. Or creating an aragonese language pack wich defaults to Spanish for the UI? Anyway, as I said, it's not indispensable.

   And finally speaking about UI translation, I am part of a small group (the only one existing) for localizing free software to Aragonese, and would like to begin with the translation of LibreOffice. It's a small group and we are localizing other projects, so, honestly, I expect the work to progress very slowly, but still... My username at the https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ and at the Pootle server is "juanpabl". Could you give me the rights and create the "translation project" at pootle? I'll try to recruit some of my colleagues to translate here.

  Thanks!
Juan Pablo

#18

2011.12.04. 23:39 keltezéssel, Juan Pablo Martínez Cortés írta:

And finally speaking about UI translation, I am part of a small group
(the only one existing) for localizing free software to Aragonese, and
would like to begin with the translation of LibreOffice. It's a small
group and we are localizing other projects, so, honestly, I expect the
work to progress very slowly, but still... My username at the
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ and at the Pootle server is
"juanpabl". Could you give me the rights and create the "translation
project" at pootle? I'll try to recruit some of my colleagues to
translate here.

I created Aragonese language and gave you rights to manage it.

Best regards,
Andras

#19

Hola Juan Pablo,
enhorabuena por el trabajo que estás realizando. Soy Iñigo Varela, de Softastur, el equipo asturiano.

Nosotros ya tenemos hecho nuestro spellchecker hace tiempo. En realidad, se trata de un .oxt que estaba preparado pa OpenOffice, pero no para LibreOffice. Al ver tu correo en la lista, me pregunto si podrías pasarnos los "pasos" necesarios para incluirlo en las "extensions".

Por otra parte, si tu grupo empieza a ser activo y os animáis a algún proyecto más, podemos echaros un cable en algunas cosas. Nosotros somos unos 12-15 y toda ayuda es poca. Concretamente, automatizamos el proceso de traducción de LibreOffice (cuando era OpenOffice), y nos ahorramos muchíiiisimo trabajo. Se trata de un traductor automático. No temas, no hablo de Google, es un traductor que tú mismo programas, y quita un 40-60% del trabajo. :smiley:

Un saludo.

#20

Thanks to Andras for creating the Aragonese language in pootle, and to Ivan for offering us help. Ivan, I'll write to you a private e-mail! :slight_smile: