Need header outside right margin

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#1

All,

I am working on a research paper. The required page layout puts last name, working title, and page number in the upper right hand corner of each page, outside the right hand margin.

It is similar to what is shown here, but has to appear on every page, not just the first page, and has to be outside the right margin and closer to the top of the page.

http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/PK6/CITEX/TRADMOD/trad-mla.html

How can this be done in LO Writer?

Thanks,
-Bill

#2

I am working on a research paper. The required page layout puts last name, working title, and page number in the upper right hand corner of each page, outside the right hand margin. It is similar to what is shown here, but has to appear on every page, not just the first page, and has to be outside the right margin and closer to the top of the page.

http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/PK6/CITEX/TRADMOD/trad-mla.html

Aargh! To follow that, you might want to time-travel to the previous millennium and purchase a typewriter!

How can this be done in LO Writer?

Fairly easily, I think. First, the page margins are the printing limits, so you need to set these wide enough to contain the extra material at the top of each page. Now insert a header, using Insert

Header, and enter the required material.

Now your only problem is that you need the main text not to spread as far as your newly extended right margin. There are probably a number of ways to do that; the easiest may be to modify your paragraph style. Right-click in the text and go to Edit Paragraph Style... | Indents & Spacing | Indent and set the "After text" value to however much you extended the right margin to accommodate your header. This will move the paragraph margin for all your text back to where you want it. (This won't work if you have applied contradictory local paragraph formatting, of course. If necessary, use Format | Default Formatting (or Ctrl+M) to remove this.)

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

#3

Hi William,

William Drago schrieb:

All,

I am working on a research paper. The required page layout puts last
name, working title, and page number in the upper right hand corner of
each page, outside the right hand margin.

It is similar to what is shown here, but has to appear on every page,
not just the first page, and has to be outside the right margin and
closer to the top of the page.

http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/PK6/CITEX/TRADMOD/trad-mla.html

How can this be done in LO Writer?

Something, that should be repeated on each page, goes into the header or footer. If this should be beyond the right edge of the text area, you can use a negative indent of the paragraph in the header. You can use a frame anchored to the header paragraph as well. A frame has the advantage, that the position is more flexible.

Kind regards
Regina

#4

Hi Virgil,

Thank you for the detailed reply. I've been meaning to learn how to use styles, so I'll give this a try.

Regards,

-Bill

#5

Well, I provided a bad example. What I'm being asked to do is pretty close to the latest format from MLA. The only difference is that outside the margin thing. I don't know where that's from, but that's what I have to do.

If I can't get styles to work, I'll try your technique.

Thanks,
-Bill

#6

Actually, Regina Henschel's answer, sent after mine, is (not unusually) better than mine.
o Leave your main text alone, set up as you normally would.
o Create a header.
o Right-click in the header and select Edit Paragraph Style... | Indents & Spacing and set a suitable negative value for "After text".
o Enter your header text and set it Align Right: it will spill over outside the page margins.

Remember that your page margins need to be sufficiently narrow that the outdented header text is still within your (or your examiner's) printer's actual capabilities.

Brian Barker

#7

Hi :slight_smile:
+1
My boss asked me if there was a calculator and i was really tempted to say
"Start" button - Accessories - Calculator
but instead just dusted off the old hand-held dedicated calculated that gets it wrong when i try 10/3 and then *3.  Then found he already had Excel open anyway.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#8

Been there...unfortunately as the one looking for a calculator, he said with a blush.

Virgil

#9

Hi :slight_smile:
Errr, me too now that i think about it but since a colleague pointed it out i now only do it if there is a decent calculator easily to hand and that can get the answers right (or at least close enough).  Maybe i should leave a short-cut on his desktop.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#10

Negative indents are rejected by LO. If I type -1.00" the minus sign is dropped as soon as I click Apply.

-Bill

#11

Your right, someones mucked it up.
I have quite a few documents with the header wider than the page margins from an older version. They open ok and show the header wider, I have not tried an edit to see if my formatting is lost or not. I have some vague recollection of a tick box about synchronise header and page width or header width the same as the page but not sure where that came from (as it aint there now).

Oops, formatting lost, the headers (and footers) have now been shrunk by LO to match the page margins.
steve

#12

I applied 'Heading 1' to a paragraph.

I modified 'Heading 1' style, as follows:

-- Select 'Heading 1' in style pane (F11).
-- Move to indentation and spaces pane.
-- Write 0.00 in 'before text'.
-- Accept
-- From menu: Tools -- numbering scheme
-- Select 'Level 1'
-- Select the kind of numbering for that level. I selected roman numerals.
-- Add the text after the number. I selected a period.
-- Accept.

I get the number before the left margin.

#13

There are two ways of setting a left and right margin in a header.

One way is to do it in the page formatting and page style settings where you set left and right margins for the page and header. LO doesn't seem to recognize negative header margins in the page formatting/style dialogs.

The other way is in the paragraph formatting and paragraph style settings, where you set the negative indents in the "Indents and Spacing" tab of the paragraph formatting dialog boxes.

My version of LO *does* recognize negative header indents in the paragraph formatting/style dialogs.

I'm using LO 3.6.6.2 on a Win7 machine.

If a newer version of LO doesn't allow negative paragraph indents beyond the page margins, it only underscores my frustration with LO's version release philosophy. New versions should *never* go backwards in terms of bugs.

Virgil

#14

Hi :slight_smile:
If it is not working in newer releases then please just post a bug report and include the last version number where you noticed it working as well as the first version where you noticed it not working any more.  You don't need to try out tons of versions to precisely pinpoint it although that might be helpful if you do have time.

Not all features can be comprehensively tested unless we have tons of people doing the testing.  That is why it helps if you can do even a quick test of a new branch while it is still in alpha or beta-testing or at least early in the branch's release cycle (like 4.1.0 or 4.1.2)

Regards from

Tom :slight_smile:

#15

Tom,

I appreciate your infectious enthusiasm, but the process you describe is a little more involved than most of us mere users want to get. William is just trying to finish a project, and he finds that, apparently, the version of LO he's using doesn't do what my version does.

It is frankly maddening to have to file a bug report for a feature that previously worked just fine.

I just went to the LO download page, and the default download is version 4.0.4. By going through several layers of web pages, I can get to a page where I can download 4.0.4 or 3.6.6, or PreRelease versions 4.1.0 or 3.6.7. That's four different options.

This system has been so frustrating that I now use Atlantis for 95% of my word processing work (which is 95% of my work in general.) Yes, it's a commercial shareware program, but it works, and its features are fairly easy to find and implement.

When I need more advanced features, like tables, or a spreadsheet, then I use LO, but it has grown too complex and uncertain for my more basic needs.

Virgil

#16

Hi Steve,

Steve Edmonds wrote (01-07-13 05:29)

I have quite a few documents with the header wider than the page margins
from an older version. They open ok and show the header wider, I have
not tried an edit to see if my formatting is lost or not.

Any change that you make one of these available?
And could you try to remember with which version of which program they were made? Would be interesting to have a look at it.

thanks a lot,
Cor

#17

Hi William,

William Drago wrote (01-07-13 03:44)

Negative indents are rejected by LO. If I type -1.00" the minus sign is
dropped as soon as I click Apply.

Regina advised to set a negative margin for the paragraph style in the header (see below).

#18

Tom Davies wrote (01-07-13 19:28)

If it is not working in newer releases then please just post a
bug report and include the last version number where you noticed it
working as well as the first version where you noticed it not working
any more.

There is no problem or change in the functionality discussed in this thread.
Testing much appreciated of course, but no need to panic or similar :wink:

Cheers,

#19

OK that works for text. I put -0.5cm in the indent after text of format paragraph and with right aligned text it is outside the margin.
Steve