No QuickStarter? (Linux)

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#21

Am 21.05.2012 14:26, Stefan Weigel wrote:

Hi,

   From the users point of view, QuickStarter also is an alternative
(and by some users preferred) way of accessing LibrOffice in the
GUI, with nice shortcuts for opening documents or creating new
documents from templates.

There's no reason why someone couldn't add it to the bar if so desired.

How would I add a menu like this

   http://ipir.at/menu

to the panel, without activating QuickStarter?

Stefan

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#22

Stefan Weigel wrote:

Hi,

   From the users point of view, QuickStarter also is an alternative
(and by some users preferred) way of accessing LibrOffice in the
GUI, with nice shortcuts for opening documents or creating new
documents from templates.

There's no reason why someone couldn't add it to the bar if so desired.

How would I add a menu like this

   http://ipir.at/menu

to the panel, without activating QuickStarter?

Stefan

About all you could do is place the LO Suite icon there, and then choose what you want to do. One thing that was available in OS/2, which I haven't seen in Linux was something called "Drawer". You'd place it on the bar and then add in the items you want. When you clicked on the icon on the bar, the list of items would appear and you could then choose the one you wanted, as in the example you have. One thing that could be done in KDE 3, but doesn't seem to be possible in KDE 4 (KDE 3 mode) is copy a group from the main menu, so that all the items in that group would pop up when clicking on the icon on the bar. With that, you could create an LibreOffice¹ section in the menu, fill it with the LO apps and then place the section on the bar. This would result in a pop up list of LO apps.

1. Since my birthday is in October, perhaps "LibreOffice" should be called "LibraOffice". :wink:

#23

Andreas Säger wrote:

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Regardless of the language, how is such a list created? It could be done in KDE 3, but apparently not in KDE 4.

#24

Hi :slight_smile:
I hadn't realised about the menu.  I guess it is a good reason for having the QuickStarter in Gnu&Linux.  However there are a lot more serious changes in the entire interfaces of most OSes in the last year or so.

It would be good to be able to have the menu i guess
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#25

Ok yes. However, clicking the checkbox, available in my Ubuntu build
of LibreOffice is much easier and faster. :wink:

All that I am saying is: For some users the option "QuickStarter" is
a matter of convenience and does not relate to the question, how
fast the application starts up.

So, eliminating QuickStarter should have a good reason, which has
not been mentioned in this thread, so far, has it?

Stefan

#26

Hi :slight_smile:
In Gnome and i think Xfce too you can right-click on existing menus and "Edit" the menu to "Add new item" but hopefully the desktop integration does that better with nice icons and stuff.  Still the "Edit" menu can re-arrange the menus quite a lot or put items in different main headings from the ones chosen by default.

On most desktops you can right-click on a menu item and either "Send to desktop" or "Add to panel" or something like that.  I think Gnome has the draw thing too.  Whatever SliTaz uses seems to have the drawer.  Windows has a "Quick launcher" which has the 1st 3 icons on the panel/taskbar and remaining ones in a type of draw.  It's not the same as a QuickStarter because stuff is not left running in Ram.  It's called "Quick" because it saves you from having to dig around the menus.  With Windows i don't think you can directly add to panel but you can drag stuff off the desktop onto that weird QuickLauncher thing.

So, i think you can probably add most of the functionality using point&click even without digging around and editing panel scripts.  However the QuickStarter did that already and all in one go without much faffing around :slight_smile:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#27

Well, no. The LO suite icon will show me the StartCenter, but only
if LO is not running already. Otherwise it´s not so easy to navigate
for the "Open From Template" dialog, for example.

:slight_smile:

Sure, one can work around the missing QuickStarter, and I am
immediately willing to accept it, if there is at least one good
reason. But, I am not willing to accept arrogant statements like:

"The devs did you a great favor & removed it."

without any substance.

:wink:

Stefan

#28

Tom Davies wrote:

In Gnome and i think Xfce too you can right-click on existing menus and "Edit" the menu to "Add new item" but hopefully the desktop integration does that better with nice icons and stuff. Still the "Edit" menu can re-arrange the menus quite a lot or put items in different main headings from the ones chosen by default.

On most desktops you can right-click on a menu item and either "Send to desktop" or "Add to panel" or something like that. I think Gnome has the draw thing too. Whatever SliTaz uses seems to have the drawer. Windows has a "Quick launcher" which has the 1st 3 icons on the panel/taskbar and remaining ones in a type of draw. It's not the same as a QuickStarter because stuff is not left running in Ram. It's called "Quick" because it saves you from having to dig around the menus. With Windows i don't think you can directly add to panel but you can drag stuff off the desktop onto that weird QuickLauncher thing.

So, i think you can probably add most of the functionality using point&click even without digging around and editing panel scripts. However the QuickStarter did that already and all in one go without much faffing around:)

Is it possible to add a customizable menu to the panel in KDE 4? In KDE 3, at least you could create a section in the main menu and then copy that section to the panel. All I can find in KDE 4 is the menu launcher, which simply duplicates the one that's at the left end of the panel.

#29

Am 21.05.2012 14:55, Stefan Weigel wrote:

How would I add a menu like this

    http://ipir.at/menu

to the panel, without activating QuickStarter?

swriter
scalc
simpress
sdraw
sbase
smath
soffice .uno:NewDoc
soffice .uno:Open

Ok yes. However, clicking the checkbox, available in my Ubuntu build
of LibreOffice is much easier and faster. :wink:

With qs: One click on the button, another click on the menu item.
Without qs: One click on some soffice starter, another click on the start panel.

#30

Am 21.05.2012 14:45, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :slight_smile:
I hadn't realised about the menu. I guess it is a good reason for having the QuickStarter in Gnu&Linux. However there are a lot more serious changes in the entire interfaces of most OSes in the last year or so.

It would be good to be able to have the menu i guess
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

It's the first thing I use to disable. Instead I add one push button for everything (soffice.exe) to the task bar.

#31

Dear Steve Edmonds:
I also downloaded and installed LO 3.4.6, but it takes about 7 seconds when
I first time to start it.
Did you had modified any option?

My hardware information is below:
Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz
Ram DDR2 2G
HDD: sata 7200rpm 320GB

Regards,

#32

Hi :slight_smile:
I really do not know anything about KDE at all.  There were some earlier posts about KDE3 but not about KDE4.  Hopefully someone else might have ideas
Apols and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#33

At least on KDE 4.6.5, I can right-click on an item group in the
applications menu, and add them to the panel. When clicking this new icon,
it open a popup menu with the item in it. If you create a LibreOffice group
with all the shortcuts, you can mimic the old quickstart.

#34

It's certainly here in the included version (3.5.3.2) in Ubuntu 12.04....

#35

Gabriel Risterucci wrote:

Hi :slight_smile:
I really do not know anything about KDE at all. There were some earlier
posts about KDE3 but not about KDE4. Hopefully someone else might have
ideas
Apols and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

At least on KDE 4.6.5, I can right-click on an item group in the
applications menu, and add them to the panel. When clicking this new icon,
it open a popup menu with the item in it. If you create a LibreOffice group
with all the shortcuts, you can mimic the old quickstart.

I have tried just that in KDE 4 in KDE 3 mode. It creates a Konqueror icon that opens a folder that does not contain what the sub-menu does.

#36

Hi :slight_smile:
Errr, the option is not labelled anything really obvious such as "QuickStarter".  On one of mine (well 'works') it was called something like "Load LibreOffice at start-up". 
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#37

Hi. I have low power i5-2500T CPU @ 2.30GHz, 8 GB ram. I haven't turned my PC off for months and are not sure if it takes longer the first time to start LO but now is quick.
steve

#38

Hi :slight_smile:
Over 1Gb and 1GHz sounds like waaay more than enough.  Even if you are running Ubuntu that should be opening fine.  Maybe 10-15 seconds?  On this machine it takes just under 10 seconds and it's very similar to your machine by the sounds of it.  Mine is over 2GHz but has low cache.

Gnu&Linux with 8Gb ram!!?!?  Lol, why!?!!  Was it made for Windows perchance?  I guess that much would be good for playing around with virtual machines.  You could have a whole swarm of them in there :wink: lol.  Actually i do think i could do with either switching distros or buying more Ram for exactly that, perhaps both.   
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#39

Engineering CAD, 3D modelling and image manipulation.

#40

I'm sorry you found my statement "arrogant" - it was my opinion...

I'm not sure what linux distro you are using, but how about starting
here if you use Ubuntu:
<https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=quickstarter>

Sample:
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/562027>
[[Upstream] Unable to shutdown / reboot / logout when quickstarter is
active] Be sure to note both the amount of duplicate bugs on the right
side of the page for just this one issue.

LO bugzilla:

- Open:
<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=quickstart>

- Open/Resolved/etc:
<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=all&product=LibreOffice&content=quickstart>

You can of course use a search engine of your choice to find more
(particularly if you include OOo in the search) yourself.

How about you let us know the last version of LO (linux) that had QS?

I do find it in:
LibreOffice 3.3.4
OOO330m19 (Build:401)
tag libreoffice-3.3.4.1

But do not find it in:
LibreOffice 3.4.6
OOO340m1 (Build:602)

or

LibreOffice 3.5.3.2
Build ID: 235ab8a-3802056-4a8fed3-2d66ea8-e241b8

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