Numbering help.

Steve_Edmonds · June 1, 2011, 1:28am

Hi.
I have got myself into a state with numbering that may be someone could
help me get out of, or if there is no way out may be it will lead to a
bug being filed.
I have been making notes for a company LO styles usage manual and
looking at what users have been doing and what they should have done and
how to fix up their manuals.

I will simply explain how to recreate the problem and possibly someone
can help me with the correction.

1-Create a new writer document.
2-Add say 5 lines of text.
3-Apply list style Numbering 1 to get outline numbering.
4-Highlight line 2 and "Demote one level"
5-With line 2 now demoted change the font size of the text after the
numbering. The size of the outline numbering on line 2 changes to match.

This is all as expected and as historically has happened through LO and OO.

6-Now click on the outline numbering (so just the numbering is
highlighted in gray) And change the font to another font and change the
font size to another size. The outline numbering all changes.
7-highlight line 4 and "Demote one level"
8-With line 4 now demoted change the font size of the text after the
numbering.

The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text.
The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere.

My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will
again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of.

I have deleted all numbering and all content from the document but now
for any list I create or list style I apply to the document the outline
numbering is in the font and size I set it 6 above and not matching the
characters after the numbering as did occur originally. This one click
and change to the outline font has completely mucked up my whole
document (As I had size 16pt bold major points level 1 and size 12pt sub
points and now they are all either 16 or 12 and bold or not).
Thanks, steve

Roland_Hughes · June 1, 2011, 6:31am

Well,

From a style guide perspective, if you are not changing the numbering
style, you shouldn't be changing the font.

I _assume_ you are looking to create something like this:

1 The Art of Slamming Head Against Wall
    1.1 Place Palms Flat Against Wall
    1.2 Bend Elbows 45 degrees
    1.3 Rear Head Back as far as Possible
    1.4 Throw Body Weight Behind Forward Head Movement
2 The Art of Being Kicked in the Head

I am working from memory here, didn't test this, but you are not
supposed to be globally changing a font after the fact. You are
supposed to have an outline style with a numbering style at each
level.

Take a look at Tools->Outline Numbering. You can specify a different
paragraph style for each level.

Sigrid_Carrera · June 1, 2011, 8:16am

Hello Steve,

Hi.
I have got myself into a state with numbering that may be someone could
help me get out of, or if there is no way out may be it will lead to a
bug being filed.
I have been making notes for a company LO styles usage manual and
looking at what users have been doing and what they should have done and
how to fix up their manuals.

I will simply explain how to recreate the problem and possibly someone
can help me with the correction.

1-Create a new writer document.
2-Add say 5 lines of text.
3-Apply list style Numbering 1 to get outline numbering.
4-Highlight line 2 and "Demote one level"
5-With line 2 now demoted change the font size of the text after the
numbering. The size of the outline numbering on line 2 changes to match.

This is all as expected and as historically has happened through LO and OO.

6-Now click on the outline numbering (so just the numbering is
highlighted in gray) And change the font to another font and change the
font size to another size. The outline numbering all changes.
7-highlight line 4 and "Demote one level"
8-With line 4 now demoted change the font size of the text after the
numbering.

For your points 5 and 6 you are hard formatting the appearance of the text. Instead do the following:

Highlight the text of your point 5, press F11 to get the styles and formatting window, and modify the corresponding (highlighted) style, that is applied to this text. Do the same for the formatting of your outline numbering.

The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text.
The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere.

This is probably because hard formatted text takes precedence over applied styles.

To remove your hard formatting mark (highlight) all your text and select "Default formatting". Once this is done, you can modify the styles for the outline numbering in any way you want - but use the styles and formatting window to do this.

HTH

Sigrid

cornouws · June 1, 2011, 9:06am

Hi Steve.

Steve Edmonds wrote (01-06-11 03:27)

3-Apply list style Numbering 1 to get outline numbering.

The only advice I want to give you: set up outline numbering via Tools > Outline numbering, which uses Heading 1, 2 etc.
Only if you need something that can not be done there, start working with list styles.

HTH,
Cor

Steve_Edmonds · June 1, 2011, 10:56am

Thanks, but I find that if you follow my example hard formatting the font using "Default formatting" does not clear the hard formatting. I can't seem to get rid of it and any new lists are created with the same hard formatting.
steve

Dotan_Cohen · June 1, 2011, 11:06am

This does not work. I tried three times and all three times my chest
hit the wall before my head. I suggest snapping the head forward in a
whip-like fashion, with the intent on getting the forehead as the
leading edge as soon as possible (the forehead starts facing up, due
to the head reared back). With this method I hit the wall with my
forehead two tries out of three, with the third hitting my nose. Note
that a nose hit results in more blood loss than a forehead hit, but
consciousness is regained sooner.

Earl_Melton · June 1, 2011, 12:01pm

Dotan,

LOL! Thanks for a bit of humor amid all the vitriol expressed in the top/bottom
posting thread..

Dotan_Cohen · June 1, 2011, 1:38pm

And you'll notice my adversary in that thread helping me out in
another thread. That's a community, we disagree on some things but we
all help each other out. If only such a relationship could be
established with my neighbours...

Sorry for the OT. Back to getting Style properly configured... why
doesn't LO / OOo give an option to change _all_ text of a particular
style when one style is edited? I might just have to go file a feature
request on that.

Tom_Davies · June 1, 2011, 2:05pm

________________________________
From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 1 June, 2011 14:37:42
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Numbering help.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 15:00, Earl Melton <earlemelton@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dotan,

LOL! Thanks for a bit of humor amid all the vitriol expressed in the

top/bottom

posting thread..

And you'll notice my adversary in that thread helping me out in
another thread. That's a community, we disagree on some things but we
all help each other out. If only such a relationship could be
established with my neighbours...

Sorry for the OT. Back to getting Style properly configured... why
doesn't LO / OOo give an option to change _all_ text of a particular
style when one style is edited? I might just have to go file a feature
request on that.

Dotan Cohen

Hi
Lol, yes. Some people think that "Community" means everyone loves each other
like 1 big happy hippy family. I've yet to see a truely happy family,
especially hippy ones. Most murders are committed by "loved ones" so luckily we
aren't all that close and are ready to argue where we can but help where needed.
Good luck and regard from
Tom

Dotan_Cohen · June 1, 2011, 2:48pm

Here is a relevant feature request:

Update styles when text is formatted
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37819
http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=118122

Regina · June 1, 2011, 3:21pm

Hi Steve,

Steve Edmonds schrieb:
[long decription]

The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text.
The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere.

My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will
again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of.

Go to character style "Numbering Symbol". On the tab "Font" or on the tab "Font effects" (depends on your settings) click on the button "Standard". Go to the tab "Organizer". There should be no entries in section "Contains".

Kind regards
Regina

Steve_Edmonds · June 1, 2011, 6:03pm

Thanks for your help Regina.
I see the entries in organiser that must be cleared. In "Font" I have only font, typeface, size and language selections. In "Font Effects" I have no button "Standard", just 6 list selectors and 4 tick boxes (Outline, Shadow, Blinking, Hidden).
I have LO 3.3.2 on mac.
steve

Steve_Edmonds · June 1, 2011, 8:43pm

Thanks. I have set up Outline Numbering as I wish.
Can I confirm I understand the correct use.
I have my page of unformatted text where I want to establish outline numbering.
-I highlight the top level text and select Heading 1. (no numbering shows, just heading 1 formatted text)
-I click Numbering On/Off in the tool bar or press F12 to have numbering applied.
- I highlight the 2nd level text and select Heading 2. (no numbering shows, just heading 2 formatted text)
-I click Numbering On/Off in the tool bar or press F12 to have numbering applied.
-etc. etc.
steve

Regina · June 1, 2011, 9:33pm

Hallo Steve,
Steve Edmonds schrieb:

Hi Steve,

Steve Edmonds schrieb:
[long decription]

The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text.
The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere.

My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will
again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of.

Go to character style "Numbering Symbol". On the tab "Font" or on the
tab "Font effects" (depends on your settings) click on the button
"Standard". Go to the tab "Organizer". There should be no entries in
section "Contains".

Thanks for your help Regina.
I see the entries in organiser that must be cleared. In "Font" I have
only font, typeface, size and language selections. In "Font Effects" I
have no button "Standard", just 6 list selectors and 4 tick boxes
(Outline, Shadow, Blinking, Hidden).
I have LO 3.3.2 on mac.

I have no mac, so I cannot say whether this is typical for mac or a bug. Each tab should have a "Standard" button. Can you try another version, perhaps LO3.4.0 rc2?

The settings are bounded to the document. So perhaps it works for you, when you open parallel a new document with default numbering, and then go to File > Templates > Organize and copy the style "Numbering 1".

If you see "white" and "transparent" in the Organize tab, that is probably OK too.

Kind regards
Regina

Steve_Edmonds · June 1, 2011, 10:13pm

Hi. On my Linux+LO 3.3.2 I also see no "Standard" button. I will check with 3.4.
On OOO I see "white" and "transparent" in the Organize tab.
I have caught a bug in Outline Numbering and Styles and just spent the last hour analyzing it, preparing a document with instructions on reproduction only to find it is persistent in memory only. When I save the document, close it and re-open it the bug has gone. It is as though it is a cached bug or affects only the ram image of the document. I also cannot consistently recreate it but it seems to relate to not being able to clear all formatting, remnants stay to corrupt.
I will leave this until I have 3.4, may be my problems will go away or at least I can consistently re-create it.
Thanks for all your help, steve

Twayne · June 2, 2011, 1:35pm

In news:BANLkTikyfP8DBFyXuoM=wNrvSuTcFNaW7w@mail.gmail.com,
Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com> typed:

1 B The Art of Slamming Head Against Wall
B B 1.1 B Place Palms Flat Against Wall
B B 1.2 B Bend Elbows 45 degrees
B B 1.3 B Rear Head Back as far as Possible
B B 1.4 B Throw Body Weight Behind Forward Head Movement

This does not work. I tried three times and all three
times my chest
hit the wall before my head. I suggest snapping the head
forward in a
whip-like fashion, with the intent on getting the
forehead as the
leading edge as soon as possible (the forehead starts
facing up, due
to the head reared back). With this method I hit the wall
with my
forehead two tries out of three, with the third hitting
my nose. Note
that a nose hit results in more blood loss than a
forehead hit, but consciousness is regained sooner.

Might be a "cute"posting to some, but why can't you and the bozos who
responded about it use an "OT" or "Joke" tag so we can skip the nonsense and
stay on subject to see if this is a legit problem or not, has a workaround,
or can't be duplicated, etc. etc..
Notice I pretended your sig delimiter worked and removed your spam from
this response. You seem to be an ultra-newbie here; please go educate
yourself at least a little. If you want to post crap like this, start your
own new thread and properly title it in the Subject: box.

HTH,

Twayne`

Steve_Edmonds · June 4, 2011, 10:20am

Hi Regina.

Hi Steve,

Steve Edmonds schrieb:
[long decription]

The size of the outline numbering no longer changes to match the text.
The outline numbering is fixed the same font, size, weight everywhere.

My question is how do I undo this so that the outline numbering will
again follow the characteristics of the text it appears in front of.

Go to character style "Numbering Symbol". On the tab "Font" or on the tab "Font effects" (depends on your settings) click on the button "Standard". Go to the tab "Organizer". There should be no entries in section "Contains".

Thanks for your help Regina.
I see the entries in organiser that must be cleared. In "Font" I have only font, typeface, size and language selections. In "Font Effects" I have no button "Standard", just 6 list selectors and 4 tick boxes (Outline, Shadow, Blinking, Hidden).
I have LO 3.3.2 on mac.
steve

Hi. Now I have 3.4.0. I still see no button "Standard", may be I am not seeing the obvious. Do you have a screen shot showing "Standard" button. On the plus side, 3.4.0 seems to have fixed the unstable outline style problem I was experiencing.
Steve