[OT Top/Bottom posting] Re: Sun Weblog Publisher broken

An incredible topic of discussion...

Presumably because Americans do not use A4, everyone else must stop also.

Similarly, majority of people on this planet understand implicitly
yy/mm/dd or dd/mm/yy, but because Americans do not by default,
everyone else must adhere to what the Americans are doing.

Whatever is the policy, strategy of a fortune 500 company (whatever
that means), you will do as they do, or expect the American army to
arrive and enforce their rules. Resistance is futile...

The fact is, organisers have made certain decisions (preferential use
of mailing lists, disdain for web forums, advice to post comments for
advice, etc.) and people have chosen to complain that they don't like
these decisions.

In the world of free software, there is nothing to stop such people
from creating their own new fork; with that some suggestions:

Create a new office software suite, call it something like "peopleoffice".
Specify top posting as the rule by which help/advice will only be offered.
Better still, avoid mailing list altogether and use a bulletin board
software platform.
Go away from LO.
Good luck.

Re Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT Top/Bottom posting] Re: Sun Weblog
Publisher broken:

An incredible topic of discussion...

Indeed it has been. It enabled me to easily identify and add several
top-posting morons to my plonk list. Now I can avoid all of their
posts.

Hi :slight_smile:
I don't think there are people arguing that top-posting MUST be the ONLY way.
On the contrary, we are pointing out that if the product is to be used by more
people than are currently using it, especially if we want office workers to use
it, then we have to be prepared for many of those to be unused to bottom
posting.

I am sick of this argument. I have never been so brow-beaten or bullied in the
supposedly Open world that supposedly encourages free-thinking and diversity.
Instead it seems that LibreOffice is very restrictive, at least on the users
list if nowhere else. Is Libre about freedom or about restrictions?
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

Hi :slight_smile:
I don't think there are people arguing that top-posting MUST be the
ONLY way. On the contrary, we are pointing out that if the product is
to be used by more people than are currently using it, especially if
we want office workers to use it, then we have to be prepared for
many of those to be unused to bottom posting.

Um, the developer community runs the list. They don't have to, but they
do. They provide a product for free. They provide a forum for help, for
free. I would risk the statement that it is their privilege to lay down
the general rules and ask people to adhere to them. After all, it's
their list.

I am sick of this argument. I have never been so brow-beaten or
bullied in the supposedly Open world that supposedly encourages
free-thinking and diversity. Instead it seems that LibreOffice is
very restrictive, at least on the users list if nowhere else. Is
Libre about freedom or about restrictions? Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

OK, a low-brow explanation; idea stolen from Dave Barry. You don't
go to a "smooth jazz & fancy fingerfood" party and start farting. Not
because it is explicitely forbidden by some law, but because most
people at such a party are not particularly keen on hearing and
smelling fart. What's more, if you do go and start farting, they might
ask you not to do it. Now, one possibility is to argue with them that
it is your unalienable human right to fart wherever and whenever it
pleases you and if they don't like it then they are oppressive fascists
tyrants, enemies of freedom and so on. The alternative possibility is
to realise that it is not your party and simply stop farting.

Naturally, you can organise an alternative, "the skunks will beg for
the recipe" farting party and frown upon any guest who as much as
twicthes the nose, let alone starting to spray industrial strength air
freshener around. Indeed, you'd have every right to feel offended is
that guest with the freshener also lectured you that your not liking
the spraying on your party is restrictive beghaviour, against diversity
and free-thinking and it is positively bullying.

By the way, some 20 years ago I thought that this whole top-posting
nonsense was sorted out once and for all after a handful of really
massive flame wars on USENET, crossposted all over the place and people
getting so sick and tired of the whole thing that they plonked anyone
even raising the issue again. Gee, was I wrong or what. It's like a
phoenix, gets up again and again. Damned scary, really.

Zoltan

Actually, I think it's hilarious...

I only engage in these kinds of flame wars when I'm bored, because I
know I'll rarely every change anyone's mind... although it has happened
on occasion (believe it or not)...

Bottom and mid-posting are legacy architectures with a few desperate
dinosaurs still clinging to them.

The Fortunate 500 is a global thing, not an American thing these days.
Many of the corporations in it are not American, and all of them are
hoping to one day get in it.