Pdf import. Was: Fw: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .

[Tom_Davies]

Hi
It is usually best to start a new question by starting a new email thread
rather than replying to an existing thread and then just editing it. 
Forwarding an email and then copy&pasting the address back in also
works but just "Reply to .." and then editing the subject-line doesn't.

OpenOffice Extensions still tend to work on LibreOffice just as easily as they do
on OpenOffice and vice-versa.  However i thought PDF import had been
pulled into the main branch of LO?  Can you just open the Pdf in LO?

Although a lot of programs can now write Pdfs they seldom allow you to edit the
text as freely as you would edit an Odt or Doc.  They do sometimes allow you to crop and rotate pages and do some fairly rough work like that. 
Depending on which Operating System you are using and what type of
editing you want to do people might have suggestions for other
OpenSource programs that might suit you better.  I used to use Gimp a
lot but it wouldn't let me write back as a Pdf (a double plus for my
needs at that time).  When i need to save back as Pdf i use Draw or
nowadays PdfShuffler (on a Gnu&Linux).  So, are you using Windows and do you need to save as Pdf or will an image format do? 
Also do you need to edit the text part of the document?

When i create Pdfs i keep an original in Odt so that i can go back to that
if i really need to edit anything.  I've found other people are usually
quite willing to give me an editable format (usually Doc or DocX) if
they have started by only providing a Pdf.  Not always but quite often.

Regards from
Tom

From: charles meyer <reachmeplace@gmail.com>
To: Tim Lungstrom <timothy@lungstrom.com>
Cc: "marc@marcpare.com" <marc@marcpare.com>; Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>; mhenriday@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012, 16:10
Subject: Re: Wiki quick guide page - see if this is a good format. . .

Tim,

Nice work.

It's a very good start.

I would ask listers to e-mail you privately on this topic because I
think this conversation may be getting lost for some people who might
be willing to help even if it's just contributing solutions.

Speaking of Libre Writer...

Do you know if there is any Libre extension

which allows one to import

a PDF into Libre Writer?

There is one for Open Office but when I perused the official LIbre Web
site I did not find a download for an extension or plug-in that would
allow that.

Maybe I missed it?

Thanks so much for all your help.

Charles.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/CheatSheets

I started to fill in the "Working with Tools - Options Menus.

Would you look at the page and see if you think that formatting style
will work.

I am using bullets for a list of items in the section till I get that
bulleted item filled in.

The "box" character,

before "Tips" and the other check-box items, was a

copy paste from Writer.  I hope it shows up with your browser.

It would be nice to fill in the items with descriptions on what
checking/unchecking those boxes do.

The image was from my Ubuntu system, but I wonder if I should do all my
screen-clip images from a Windows computer.  Do you think I should
reference the image by saying what version and OS the "clip" was from?
I will be redoing them for the 3.6.x version, if they appear different.

ALSO
when uploading a image, where is the file name compared with?
It is specific for that Wiki page or the entire Wiki system?  I do not
want to have to keep changing the file name for the screen-clips.

Also, I know that the Wiki page can hold more information than the space
of the 6 or 8 pages a quick reference guide

would have, but I do want to

consider how it might be presented on such a guide sheet[s].

Tom asked about how I did the "table-of-contents".  I answered him but I
think I missed his question.  If he meant the use of the "box with the
dot border", that was done by placing some spaced before each line.  If
you add a spacing between lines [not with the "new line" character],
then each block of lines would have their own bordered box.

Now, I have to figure out how the informational text for each "check
box" items will be shown as part of that "sub section" of the page and
not a new item to be looked at. I replaced the "*" character, after I
used the bullet list option for the text, with the ? [box character
shown here, hopefully] That way the text was still properly indented for
the page.  I wonder if I can

indent at another level - i.e. indent a

text inside an indented text.

But this is a start.

What would be the best format for the "Supported Document file formats"
and is there a better name for that section?  Should I list all of the
formats in alpha order and then have a column for load/save information
- maybe in a table format?  Or should it be listed in some other order.

I was thinking that I would work on that part of the page, at this
point, to fill in another section with itemized information.

_Finally__
_
is there someone else that wanted to participate in this project, or at
least wants to "advise" me/us on its look?  Any idea on who might want
to help fill in the sections?  Also, should I post on the lists to email
me offline with "solutions" or ideas on subsections

needed for things

[Girvin_R_Herr]

Tom Davies wrote:

Hi
  

<snip>

Although a lot of programs can now write Pdfs they seldom allow you to edit the text as freely as you would edit an Odt or Doc. They do sometimes allow you to crop and rotate pages and do some fairly rough work like that.
  

<snip>

In the last 6 months or so, I had the task of completing two PDF forms that organizations sent me to fill out. I decided to try the LO PDF import and use LO to fill out the forms. In both cases, PDF import created a Draw file of pages conforming to each page of the PDF file. With the first PDF form, I was not able to modify any text or objects in the form. It was if the original format was a picture. However, I was able to add text boxes over the "picture" and get the form filled out. With the second PDF form, I was not only able to add text boxes as before, but I was also able to edit the original form text! What was different between the two PDFs? I haven't a clue.
So, it looks like PDF file editability in LO Draw depends on the particular PDF you are trying to edit.
Girvin Herr

[Felmon_Davis]

some pdfs are nothing really but image files with some other code 'identifying' them as 'pdf'.

I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch this on?

F.

[Brian_Barker]

I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch this on?

Your problem is not with the LibreOffice list, but with your mail provider Gmail - which has a bug^H^H^H feature which suppresses copies distributed to you of your own messages to the list.

Google says:

When you send mail to any group or mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you time and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if someone responds to it or if there is an error delivering the message. If you'd like to view your message, you can find it in Sent Mail or All Mail.

It can be argued that this practice is unhelpful.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

[Tom_Davies]

Hi
I think there is some default setting when you apply to these lists that sets it so you can't see your own posts except through Nabble or GMane.  So, it's not just GMail that is blocking him.

Personally i think it's a huge benefit.  I see my own posts in people's replies and notice all the horrible tpyos and embarrasments that i didn't notice while typing.  So, i am quite glad of it.

This crazy need for "Reply to" or whatever is a different story.  It's made it much more difficult to get through the posts and i make a lot more typing mistakes now too. 
Regards from
Tom

[Felmon_Davis]

Hi

I think there is some default setting when you apply to these lists that sets it so you can't see your own posts except through Nabble or GMane.  So, it's not just GMail that is blocking him.

who's the list-manager again?

Personally i think it's a huge benefit.  I see my own posts in people's replies and notice all the horrible tpyos and embarrasments that i didn't notice while typing.  So, i am quite glad of it.

diff'rent strokes. I'd rather see my own posts than my own face and torso.

This crazy need for "Reply to" or whatever is a different story.  It's made it much more difficult to get through the posts and i make a lot more typing mistakes now too.

it's impossible! I have to type in the correct mailing list address for every reply.

Regards from
Tom

apologies to Brian: I didn't see his post (it wasn't delivered for some reason).

I wish I could wean myself of gmail.

F.

[Tom_Davies]

Hi
There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf "and what-not" as Amiko says in interviews on Nasa tele).  Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper Pdf reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people try to make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf reader, or use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded like a Pita though).

[Tom_Davies]

Hi
+1
about the body image.  Women have travelled miles for just 1 sight of me.  Unfortunately the direction is away from me not towards.

"Reply to all" and then copy&paste?  List manager?
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/
errr i don't know about GMane.

Regards from
Tom

[Brian_Barker]

I notice one cannot see one's own posts; is it possible to switch this on?

Your problem is not with the LibreOffice list, but with your mail provider Gmail - which has a bug^H^H^H feature which suppresses copies distributed to you of your own messages to the list.

Google says:

When you send mail to any group or mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you time and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if someone responds to it or if there is an error delivering the message. If you'd like to view your message, you can find it in Sent Mail or All Mail.

It can be argued that this practice is unhelpful.

I think there is some default setting when you apply to these lists that sets it so you can't see your own posts except through Nabble or GMane.

Then you think wrongly - unless you explicitly subscribe to the "nomail" version of the list (and that is no default; indeed, it is not even mentioned at the web site).

So, it's not just GMail that is blocking him.

I fear it is.

Personally I think it's a huge benefit. I see my own posts in people's replies and notice all the horrible tpyos and embarrassments that I didn't notice while typing. So, i am quite glad of it.

This makes no sense. If (as would be sensible) you are concerned to be aware of the appearance of your own messages as distributed by the list, you would deprecate Gmail's practice, not applaud it.

Brian Barker

[Girvin_R_Herr]

Tom Davies wrote:

Hi
There are many different sorts of Pdfs (fdf "and what-not" as Amiko says in interviews on Nasa tele). Sometimes forms can be filled out using a proper Pdf reader such as Foxit (a good Pdf reader in Windows) but sometimes people try to make things difficult so that you are forced into using Adobe's Pdf reader, or use a work-around as you did with the frst one in Draw (sounded like a Pita though).
  

Tom,
Actually, no. I found it was fairly easy to do in Draw.

That was their problem, not yours. Sounds like they are in the last century. Unless they wanted the ability to change your entries without your permission. I hope you didn't sign it! How did you "pull" the PDF form into Writer?!

<snip>
Girvin Herr

[Tom_Davies]

Hi
I'm not sure what i did.  Something fairly hideous.  I think i might have used Gimp to make it into a Gif or Png image and then inserted that.  I'm kinda flailing around with Pdfs at the moment.
Regards from
Tom

[Girvin_R_Herr]

Tom Davies wrote:

Hi
I'm not sure what i did. Something fairly hideous. I think i might have used Gimp to make it into a Gif or Png image and then inserted that. I'm kinda flailing around with Pdfs at the moment.
Regards from
Tom

Tom,
That does sound painful! As a test, I was successful at Inserting a PDF as a Draw OLE object in a Writer document. Here is what I did:

   1. Using the PDF importer, I opened the PDF file, which brings up Draw.
   2. While in Draw, I saved the PDF file as an ODF Draw file.
   3. I opened a new Writer document.
   4. Using Insert -> Object -> OLE Object -> LibreOffice 3.5 Drawing, I
      got a Draw window embedded in the Writer document.
   5. Double-click on the Draw object window to bring up the draw OLE.
   6. Open the ODF file saved in step #2.
   7. Click outside the Draw OLE window (anywhere in the document but
      the Draw OLE window) to get out of Draw.
   8. You should have the PDF image from step #1 now in Writer.

Note that the PDF importer does not seem to work if attempting to directly open the PDF file in step #6. It seems to think it is opening the PDF in Writer, not the Draw OLE window. There are many limitations to the Draw OLE that the Draw program itself does not have.
You may have to do some scaling or dragging the Draw window tags around to get the size you want. Note that the Object properties dialog has a lot to do with formatting this object (right click on the Draw OLE -> select Object).
Hope this helps.
Girvin Herr

[anne-ology]

If this is a poll, I like this feature in g-mail - and others;
           for those who wish to see all, use the 'all mail' rather than
the 'inbox'

       If this is a poll, I still detest this list's reply feature ...
having to doctor the e-addresses is time-consuming & frustrating; and
causes errors.

       The Pole went to the poll only to find a pole; so he set out to
polish his Polish furniture ...

[anne-ology]

Hey, you G-Men ... do you walk each morn' -
           takes me about 30-45 minutes to walk about 5 miles, care to join
me

Hi

[Tom_Davies]

Hi
Average walking speed for most people is generally considered to be around 4miles/hour so you are either very fit, or walking downhill a lot.  It is important to eat properly and get plenty of exercise and not smoke but many people here are office workers.

I cycle to work but then my work-place moved a lot nearer.  On push-bike i can get up to around 20 miles/hour if the road is clear.  It used to take me half hour to get to work but now takes around 10mins with most of that being stuck in traffic.

Regards from
Tom

[Tom_Davies]

Hi
Errr, Amiko is well worth watching btw.  It's rare to see an interviewer that manages to get people talking rather than kinda taking over and doing most of the talking themselves.  She makes it much easier to understand what is going on by avoiding technical terms and encourages interviewees to keep-it-simple too by giving them a clue as to what level of understanding to pitch the interview at.  If you listen to her voice on the "What is happening on the space station today" she clearly does know the technical words so it's even more interesting to see her dodge them when interviewing.  When i first started watching i assumed she was hopeless until i realised what she was achieving, getting people to relax and opening up with interesting answers.  Brandi is pretty good too but has a completely different approach.

Regards from
Tom