Pimaco extension for labels

users
#1

Hi friends

I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always had
dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a extension for
BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this one:
http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt

The problem is that all the printed labels are more up and left than
they should be, sometimes invading another label.

I'm on Debian 6 with LibreOffice 3.4.2 and paper in the printer and
LibreOffice is set to A4.

Thank you

#2

Hi,

Open Office had form templates which an enterprising individual developed based on tables instead of instead of the block style that came with Open Office and like what Microsoft Word uses. I've used the US sizes and they work perfectly. It is super easy to adjust the column width by just dragging. The US sizes always start with the typing in the center of the label also. I'm not sure where to find them in Libre Office, but you can download them from http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm . I will never go back to the old style of labels formats. There was a tutorial on the Internet at one time. You may also find some help on the World Label site

Don

#3

Hi :slight_smile:
I think those templates can be used in LibreOffice but the docs team were trying
to find someone to bring them into LibreOffice properly (assuming they are
copy-left rather than copyright licensed).
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#4

Hi,

On the World Label site they have the following statement:
"These documents are XML Open Document Format (ODF), Public Domain, licensed under GPL. "

#5

Um, that statement makes no sense. Public domain documents require no license. They are either someone's copyright and licensed under the GPL or there's a quit claim on the copyright and no license applies.

Although either case would make them all right to bundle with LibreOffice, you still have to figure out which case you are assuming. I would be concerned that whoever slapped that on there doesn't know what they are doing. (I think it is odd to apply the GPL to a document, but it's not that surprising.)

- Dennis

PS: For fun, I dug inside one of these. They were produced with OpenOffice.org 2.0 near the end of 2005. Remarkable.

#6

Hi,

Um, that statement makes no sense. Public domain documents require no license. They are either someone's copyright and licensed under the GPL or there's a quit claim on the copyright and no license applies.

I think the statement makes perfect sense. There are countries, where you cannot give up your rights (Germany and I think many other EU countries as well).

I would interpret this then in the following way:
If you live in a country where you can give up your rights, you can get those templates as "public domain".
If you live in a country where you cannot give up your rights, you can get those templetes under the "GPL".

Sounds reasonable to me.

Sigrid

#7

Hi :slight_smile:
Thanks Sigrid. Copy-left agreements such as the Creative Commons used in
artworks, video, documentation and elsewhere is a very new concept that can
allow people to copy, modify and redistribute.

The traditional idea of "public domain" is merely that you are allowed to read
it and if you are really lucky you might be allowed to copy a certain number of
lines. The laws around it are quite turgid, confusing and vary from country to
country.

TDF Documentation Team often use a "CC by SA" (a Creative Commons) license.
Creative Commons offer a variety of approaches allowing authors, sculptors,
artists, musicians and others to decide just how flexible they want to be about
allowing people to redistribution or modify or give credit to the person that
created the original.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#8

Hi :slight_smile:
Oops, ignore my last email about this!

Someone at work suggested turning the label sheets the other way around in the
printer as there is often a tiny difference in the measurements between
top&bottom and left&right. I tried measuring it with a ruler but the difference
seems negligible but it seemed to make a difference!

My guess is that a lot of those templates need a slight editing. Last time i
did labels i took the standard template and then modified it a bit for myself.
Does the world label place allow uploads of improved designs or is there a place
in LibreOffice wiki or somewhere that better templates could be stored?

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#9

Hi Tom,

There was one size label our church was using that wasn't on the World Label list of available labels. Those labels were used to print ingredients for Easter eggs they sell. Also, there wasn't a template for that particular size. I sent them an e-mail. Apparently it was an error that the size I wanted wasn't listed. they had the label available. I made a table style template for them and sent it to them. The person who had been printing them for the church was using Microsoft Word. I was helping to put them on. By the time we would get to 2/3 down the label sheet the labels were printing high and the top line would end up being partially on the bottom of the label above it. There was no margin for error. The labels were full. I put the ingredients in the table style form and printed them in OpenOffice at that time (LibreOffice was not out yet, but the labels work just as well in it.) and they printed perfectly. No wasted labels at all. The advantage of the table style is that if you need to move the text right or left, simply drag the column widths. To change how the text is centered on the labels, simply change the top margin of the page. I do a fair amount of label printing, and I love the table style label templates. I also found in my e-mails to World Label, they are very strong proponents of Open Source. Therefore they get my business. Their prices are competitive also. I've only used American sizes. The only adjustments I've needed to make are to adjust for variations between printers.

#10

Hi,

Hi :slight_smile:
Thanks Sigrid. Copy-left agreements such as the Creative Commons used in
artworks, video, documentation and elsewhere is a very new concept that can
allow people to copy, modify and redistribute.

The traditional idea of "public domain" is merely that you are allowed to read
it and if you are really lucky you might be allowed to copy a certain number of
lines. The laws around it are quite turgid, confusing and vary from country to
country.

TDF Documentation Team often use a "CC by SA" (a Creative Commons) license.
Creative Commons offer a variety of approaches allowing authors, sculptors,
artists, musicians and others to decide just how flexible they want to be about
allowing people to redistribution or modify or give credit to the person that
created the original.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

________________________________
From: Sigrid Carrera <sigrid.carrera@googlemail.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 11:20:56
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi,

> Um, that statement makes no sense. Public domain documents require no
>license. They are either someone's copyright and licensed under the GPL or
>there's a quit claim on the copyright and no license applies.

I think the statement makes perfect sense. There are countries, where you cannot
give up your rights (Germany and I think many other EU countries as well).

I would interpret this then in the following way:
If you live in a country where you can give up your rights, you can get those
templates as "public domain".

If you live in a country where you cannot give up your rights, you can get those
templetes under the "GPL".

Sounds reasonable to me.

Sigrid

In the US public domain means the copyright has lapsed any one is free
to use the work as they please with requirements or fees. The only
"requirement" is you should properly cite the work but this more an
ethical issue than a legal one. For example many works on 19th century
American authors are now in the public domain so any one can publish the
work in any media. If one does some editing (changing spellings, idioms,
etc) to reflect current usage that can carry a copyright.

#11

Hi :slight_smile:
Thanks Jay :slight_smile: That is quite different from my assumption. I'm not sure about
the laws here but i suspect someone would have ownership of the rights.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#12

Hi Don

Thanks for your help, but the problem still persists. I have found the
model on World Label and get the same error when printing. I'm
starting to think it may be a problem with CUPS (Common Unix Printing
System) because I get the same error with another program.

Thanks,
Claudio

Hi,

Open Office had form templates which an enterprising individual
developed based on tables instead of instead of the block style
that came with Open Office and like what Microsoft Word uses. I've
used the US sizes and they work perfectly. It is super easy to
adjust the column width by just dragging. The US sizes always start
with the typing in the center of the label also. I'm not sure where
to find them in Libre Office, but you can download them from
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm . I will
never go back to the old style of labels formats. There was a
tutorial on the Internet at one time. You may also find some help
on the World Label site

Don

Hi friends

I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always had
dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a extension for
BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this one:
http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt

The problem is that all the printed labels are more up and left than

#13

Hi Tom

I dont know how to modify templates, I never needed it before and the
margins are the same to me, I cant detect any difference in them.

Thanks,
Claudio

Hi :slight_smile: Oops, ignore my last email about this!

Someone at work suggested turning the label sheets the other way
around in the printer as there is often a tiny difference in the
measurements between top&bottom and left&right. I tried measuring
it with a ruler but the difference seems negligible but it seemed
to make a difference!

My guess is that a lot of those templates need a slight editing.
Last time i did labels i took the standard template and then
modified it a bit for myself. Does the world label place allow
uploads of improved designs or is there a place in LibreOffice wiki
or somewhere that better templates could be stored?

Regards from Tom :slight_smile:

________________________________ From: Dennis E. Hamilton
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org> To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent:
Sat, 13 August, 2011 1:16:14 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users]
Pimaco extension for labels

Um, that statement makes no sense. Public domain documents require
no license. They are either someone's copyright and licensed under
the GPL or there's a quit claim on the copyright and no license
applies.

Although either case would make them all right to bundle with
LibreOffice, you still have to figure out which case you are
assuming. I would be concerned that whoever slapped that on there
doesn't know what they are doing. (I think it is odd to apply the
GPL to a document, but it's not that surprising.)

- Dennis

PS: For fun, I dug inside one of these. They were produced with
OpenOffice.org 2.0 near the end of 2005. Remarkable.

[mailto:donmyers@myersfarm.com] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011
16:27 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re:
[libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi,

On the World Label site they have the following statement: "These
documents are XML Open Document Format (ODF), Public Domain,
licensed under GPL. "

Hi :slight_smile: I think those templates can be used in LibreOffice but the
docs team were trying to find someone to bring them into
LibreOffice properly (assuming they are copy-left rather than
copyright licensed). Regards from Tom :slight_smile:

________________________________ From: Don C.
Myers<donmyers@myersfarm.com> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 22:17:48 Subject: Re:
[libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi,

Open Office had form templates which an enterprising individual
developed

based

on tables instead of instead of the block style that came with
Open Office and like what Microsoft Word uses. I've used the US
sizes and they work perfectly. It is super easy to adjust the
column width by just dragging. The US sizes always start with the
typing in the center of the label also. I'm not sure where to
find them in Libre Office, but you can download them from
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm . I will
never go back to the old style of labels formats. There was a
tutorial on the Internet at

one

time. You may also find some help on the World Label site

Don

Hi friends

I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always had
dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a extension
for BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this one:
http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt

The problem is that all the printed labels are more up and left than

#14

Hi Claudio,

You are most welcome. I'm sorry that didn't help. I print most of my labels using an HP OfficeJet Pro 8000 printer through cups in Ubuntu 11.04. I have not had any problem at all once I adjust the top margin and the column width to make sure everything is fitting on the label. I'm sorry, but I don't know what else to suggest. Maybe someone else can help.

Don

#15

Hi Don

My actual printer is a Epson TX105, tomorrow I'm going to test the
labels with a HP C3180. If everything goes ok then the problem may be
in the device driver.

Claudio Aranha

Hi Claudio,

You are most welcome. I'm sorry that didn't help. I print most of
my labels using an HP OfficeJet Pro 8000 printer through cups in
Ubuntu 11.04. I have not had any problem at all once I adjust the
top margin and the column width to make sure everything is fitting
on the label. I'm sorry, but I don't know what else to suggest.
Maybe someone else can help.

Don

On 08/17/2011 10:34 AM, Claudio Aranha wrote: Hi Don

Thanks for your help, but the problem still persists. I have found
the model on World Label and get the same error when printing. I'm
starting to think it may be a problem with CUPS (Common Unix
Printing System) because I get the same error with another
program.

Thanks, Claudio

Hi,

Open Office had form templates which an enterprising
individual developed based on tables instead of instead of
the block style that came with Open Office and like what
Microsoft Word uses. I've used the US sizes and they work
perfectly. It is super easy to adjust the column width by
just dragging. The US sizes always start with the typing in
the center of the label also. I'm not sure where to find them
in Libre Office, but you can download them from
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm . I
will never go back to the old style of labels formats. There
was a tutorial on the Internet at one time. You may also find
some help on the World Label site

Don

Hi friends

I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always
had dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a
extension for BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this
one:
http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt

The problem is that all the printed labels are more up and left than

#16

Hi :slight_smile:
The problem seems to have been fixed. I got this message from Claudio
"
Hi Tom

The problem is finally fixed. It seems like the gutenprint driver is
problematic. All labels printed very well after testing with an old HP
c3180, so I thought it could be a device driver problem. After some serach
on google I found this page http://avasys.jp/eng/ with better drivers for
Epson printers and now my TX105 prints ok too.

Thanks to all for the help!
Claudio Aranha
"

The link seems worth copy to a wiki page or soemthing but i don't know of a
relevant page. Perhaps a page somewhere in Cups too?
Anyway, good work all :slight_smile:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#17

For Linux/UBuntu - I go to the HP site and go through the links for the HP Linux drivers site. I do not know about Gutenprint drivers for HP or any other printer, but the "shell" install file I get from the HP Linux driver site works well for both my HP color laser 2600 and my HP PSC 1410.

It was more of a link trail, plus more files to install, to get my Epson Artisan 810 [new] to USB or Network print with Ubuntu, but there is no Epson scanner driver that works for it.

CUPS is what both the HP and Epson printer drivers are "accessing" for for the actual printing, I believe.
I also use CUPS/pdf as my default printer.