Preparing Native Lang sites for the release

l10n
#1

Hi Native Lang Website teams,

I'm speaking to the website teams more than to the l10n leads here :slight_smile:
Bellow you'll find the wishes of the marketing project and the work that they would like to see achieved before the release next week.
You can go your way or follow what is requested bellow (or mix the two :wink: it's up to you.

The PR is discussed on the private PR list, but I can send it to you as soon as it's ready, just request it and I'll send it privately to be discussed/adapted with your teams.

If you would like to be added to the private PR list just drop me a mail too. This is where prepare the announcement for the next version, under the direction of Italo, just as we had in the OOo project.
The process is, like in every part of our project, still a work in progress, so sorry for the short notice for all this wokr, I'm sure we will be much better next time :slight_smile:

Don't hesitate if you have any question or need any help from me.

Kind regards
Sophie

#2

Hi, Sophie,

Hi Native Lang Website teams,

I'm speaking to the website teams more than to the l10n leads here :slight_smile:
Bellow you'll find the wishes of the marketing project and the work that
they would like to see achieved before the release next week.
You can go your way or follow what is requested bellow (or mix the two :wink:
it's up to you.

I have recently fully localized the LO English site into Slovenian. But then
changes seem to have started (there was also a "why" sub-menu, that
disappeared in just a few hours - and as sl site maintainer I cannot see
what were the changes on the English pages so I have to go through all the
pages and compare to localized ones to see, if there was something changed.
Can someone make the English site changes visible in some way to
other-language site maintainers?

Also, for just those few hours that the "why LO" subpages were present there
was also a "News" menu item available. The current widgets for main page are
not usable for nativelang teams, the twitter and blog is English only.
Please give as a news page and a system/widget to display latest or selected
langteam news items on the main lang page.

The PR is discussed on the private PR list, but I can send it to you as
soon as it's ready, just request it and I'll send it privately to be
discussed/adapted with your teams.

It is just a load of things to do, right, just over the weekend? Well, the
lang teams can have a day or few days of delay after the English issue,
especially we have to test the wiki help if it will really work with the
released version.

Lp, m.

#3

I used a slogan for the sl website: "The liberated productivity suite."
(rough translation) instead of "Home of the LibreOffice Productivity Suite".
I hope that is OK. It is much better and shorter in Slovenian than the thing
on the English site translated into Slovenian.

Maybe it could be used for English LO if anyone likes it.

Lp, m.

#4

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Slogan (#35 seems to be a

good choice :slight_smile:

#102

#5

Hi Martin, *,

I have recently fully localized the LO English site into Slovenian. But then
changes seem to have started (there was also a "why" sub-menu, that
disappeared in just a few hours

What happened here was that you very likely were browsing the site in
"draft/stage" mode, i.e. did request the site to show unpublished
pages/changes.

ciao
Christian

#6

Hi, Christian,

2011/1/22 Christian Lohmaier
<lohmaier+ooofuture@googlemail.com<lohmaier%2Booofuture@googlemail.com>

What happened here was that you very likely were browsing the site in
"draft/stage" mode, i.e. did request the site to show unpublished
pages/changes.

I tried that if it is possible but I get redirected to the login page, when
requesting the www.libreoffice.org stage pages so unless the access rights
have been changed in the last days then I was not able to do it then.

Lp, m.

#7

Hi Martin, *,

and as sl site maintainer I cannot see
what were the changes on the English pages so I have to go through all the
pages and compare to localized ones to see, if there was something changed.
Can someone make the English site changes visible in some way to
other-language site maintainers?

Is http://www.libreoffice.org/sitemap.xml of help already? it would
display the last-changed dates at least.

For those who have access to the Main subsite, they can use the reports.

If that's not enough, I could setup an rss-feed - (of the 20 most
recent changes)

ciao
Christian

#8

Hi Martin, Christian, all, :slight_smile:

I have recently fully localized the LO English site into Slovenian. But then
changes seem to have started (there was also a "why" sub-menu, that
disappeared in just a few hours - and as sl site maintainer I cannot see
what were the changes on the English pages so I have to go through all the
pages and compare to localized ones to see, if there was something changed.
Can someone make the English site changes visible in some way to
other-language site maintainers?

Also, for just those few hours that the "why LO" subpages were present there
was also a "News" menu item available. The current widgets for main page are
not usable for nativelang teams, the twitter and blog is English only.
Please give as a news page and a system/widget to display latest or selected
langteam news items on the main lang page.

Yes, this was me busy at work on the English site. The "Why?" pages
appeared for a time while I was seeing how they fit visually into the
menu and page... The same was true for the "News" menu item. Both
disappeared because the pages themselves are not ready yet.

There will be a news section on the English site, but first we have to
test the SilverStripe modules available for the job and choose the
most suitable one. That is unlikely to happen before the 3.3 release,
but is likely to happen soon after. But when 3.3 releases, my current
idea is to post an announcement article in the form of an ordinary
page.

The "Why" pages will also reappear very soon.

I see that Christian has already posted ideas about how all interested
people can stay informed about changes in site content.

Temporarily publishing pages and then unpublishing them again is not
actually an ideal way to develop and preview content, but I'm unaware
of another method of previewing changes to see how they will display
in the site pages.

@Christian: is there a trick I haven't learned yet?

David Nelson

#9

Hello, David,

Yes, this was me busy at work on the English site. The "Why?" pages
appeared for a time while I was seeing how they fit visually into the
menu and page... The same was true for the "News" menu item. Both
disappeared because the pages themselves are not ready yet.

Can you pleas email me the current text of the why? pages so I start
translating them?

Temporarily publishing pages and then unpublishing them again is not
actually an ideal way to develop and preview content, but I'm unaware
of another method of previewing changes to see how they will display
in the site pages.

@Christian: is there a trick I haven't learned yet?

You do not have to publish to see it in action. After you select one page to
edit in the tree, you can click the "Draft Site" link in the bottom bar of
the window - it opens that page in a production site - only that it is not
really published. From there you can browse the draft site, not just that
page as if it was published.

Lp, m.

#10

Hi, Christian, *,

2011/1/22 Christian Lohmaier
<lohmaier+ooofuture@googlemail.com<lohmaier%2Booofuture@googlemail.com>

Is http://www.libreoffice.org/sitemap.xml of help already? it would
display the last-changed dates at least.

For those who have access to the Main subsite, they can use the reports.

If that's not enough, I could setup an rss-feed - (of the 20 most
recent changes)

in a way for smaller changes that might help, yes. But in the case of new
pages being prepared and just waiting to be published the lang teams would
love to get hold of the unpublished-yet content to start translating before
they are officially there. There is no way currently to see what's cooking
on the English site :slight_smile:

Lp, m.

#11

Hi,

> Temporarily publishing pages and then unpublishing them again is
> not actually an ideal way to develop and preview content, but I'm
> unaware of another method of previewing changes to see how they
> will display in the site pages.
>
> @Christian: is there a trick I haven't learned yet?

You do not have to publish to see it in action. After you select one
page to edit in the tree, you can click the "Draft Site" link in the
bottom bar of the window - it opens that page in a production site -
only that it is not really published. From there you can browse the
draft site, not just that page as if it was published.

The problem hereby seems to be, that there is only one common draft
space. So if you choose to browse the Draft Site, you see *all* of the
drafted pages simultaneously. You can not preview the current live
pages with just one additional draft page in which you are interested.

(At least I had the same problem and did not find a way to overcome it)

Nino

#12

Martin,

in a way for smaller changes that might help, yes. But in the case of
new pages being prepared and just waiting to be published the lang
teams would love to get hold of the unpublished-yet content to start
translating before they are officially there. There is no way
currently to see what's cooking on the English site :slight_smile:

How about requesting author role for the Main site: then you will be
able to see all changes/drafted pages and make diffs yourself.

(just an idea)

Nino

#13

Nino,

Martin,

How about requesting author role for the Main site: then you will be
able to see all changes/drafted pages and make diffs yourself.

(just an idea)

I thought by getting Slovenian web author role I would have the right to see
English pages. But since this was not the case I thought that the policy
about the English site is more secretive and for some reason the access is
limited to other lang teams.

I would not need to make changes, I just would need the right to browse
drafted pages. Couldn't that be an automatic role assignment to the native
lang www author roles? (www.libreoffice.org/admin requests another username,
probably the rights can be assigned to same name over different sites)

Lp, m.

#14

Hi David, *.

[...]
Temporarily publishing pages and then unpublishing them again is not
actually an ideal way to develop and preview content, but I'm unaware
of another method of previewing changes to see how they will display
in the site pages.

@Christian: is there a trick I haven't learned yet?

Apparently - the CMS features links at the bottom to view the
published/live site as well as the saved-but-unpublished
"draft/preview" site.

You can achieve the same effect by appending ?stage=Stage parameter
for the draft site, and ?stage=Live for the live site to the URL

ciao
Christian

#15

Hi Nino, *;

The problem hereby seems to be, that there is only one common draft
space. So if you choose to browse the Draft Site, you see *all* of the
drafted pages simultaneously. You can not preview the current live
pages with just one additional draft page in which you are interested.

Hmm - honestly I don't get the problem here - as the effect on other
pages just is an additonal menu-item at most, so a draft page doesn't
really have an impact on other pages - you can switch back and forth
using the ?stage=Stage|Live URL-parameter.

Do you have a more concrete example of what you had in mind?

As I see it the problem now is that it is not easy to see what is in
preparation without actually having access to the specific site in the
CMS interface (there you could just filter the list to changed pages)
- you can use draft mode to preview the content on the actual site,
but for this you need to know about those new pages. Then you could
just go to https://www.libreoffice.org/home/why-use-libreoffice-at-home/?stage=Stage
and preview the changes on the live site, in this case having the
complete draft pages is an advantage, since you can see the other why
pages, and don't have to manually copy each URL. The drawback is that
the theme currently gives no hint that you're in draft mode (but this
can be changed)

So from my perception, a RSS feed that lists the changed pages with
the according stage/draft links would be OK/enough, wouldn't it?

ciao
Christian

#16

Hi Martin, *;

I thought by getting Slovenian web author role I would have the right to see
English pages. But since this was not the case I thought that the policy
about the English site is more secretive and for some reason the access is
limited to other lang teams.

Ah, now I get the problem,

I would not need to make changes, I just would need the right to browse
drafted pages. Couldn't that be an automatic role assignment to the native
lang www author roles? (www.libreoffice.org/admin requests another username,
probably the rights can be assigned to same name over different sites)

Yes, I'll look into tweaking the permissions to allow access to draft
of the main subsite.

ciao
Christian

#17

Hi Christian,

> The problem hereby seems to be, that there is only one common draft
> space. So if you choose to browse the Draft Site, you see *all* of
> the drafted pages simultaneously. You can not preview the current
> live pages with just one additional draft page in which you are
> interested.

Hmm - honestly I don't get the problem here - as the effect on other
pages just is an additonal menu-item at most, so a draft page doesn't
really have an impact on other pages - you can switch back and forth
using the ?stage=Stage|Live URL-parameter.

It's mainly about Layout:

Do you have a more concrete example of what you had in mind?

Look at the main navi bar in
https://de.libreoffice.org/home/?stage=Live

If you want to test, if a new main entry "Why" will fit in length, you
must publish the Why page, because when testing in Draft space, you
will get additional menu entries which have been created but not
published for whatever reason (e.g. on de.libo.o the second Download
page and the NeuSubsitesVirtualPage) so you can not see if your "Why"
page will fit in the actual bar.

The same is true for 2nd level entries of course.

(But this is not a major issue, at least for me)

The drawback is that
the theme currently gives no hint that you're in draft mode (but this
can be changed)

(I'd consider this helpful)

So from my perception, a RSS feed that lists the changed pages with
the according stage/draft links would be OK/enough, wouldn't it?

Just asking: could a RSS view be customized to show any page changes
(with datetime) so that it resembles the RecentChanges from the wiki?
So anybody could see, when which page was changed (and by whom). The
optimum would be to see, WHAT has been changed, i.e. a diff - but the
comment written by the publisher would be fine already :wink:

Nino

#18

Hi Nino, *,

[...]

Do you have a more concrete example of what you had in mind?

Look at the main navi bar in
https://de.libreoffice.org/home/?stage=Live

If you want to test, if a new main entry "Why" will fit in length, you
must publish the Why page, because when testing in Draft space, you
will get additional menu entries which have been created but not
published for whatever reason (e.g. on de.libo.o the second Download
page and the NeuSubsitesVirtualPage)

Ah, OK, so you got "trash" lying around and conflicting - well, the
obvious solutin would be to delete that trash :slight_smile: (or at least uncheck
"show in menu", this would solve the layout problem).
Esp. when the page still has it's default/dummy title
("New<whateverpage>"), then it can very likely be deleted without
problem, esp. when it is not published. If in doubt, view the history
(i.e. who created it, with what commit message) and contact the
author.

ciao
Christian

#19

Hi, Christian, *,

2011/1/23 Christian Lohmaier
<lohmaier+ooofuture@googlemail.com<lohmaier%2Booofuture@googlemail.com>

but for this you need to know about those new pages. Then you could
just go to
https://www.libreoffice.org/home/why-use-libreoffice-at-home/?stage=Stage
and preview the changes on the live site, in this case having the

even if I am logged into Slovenian CMS, clicking that link does not show
this "stage" page, it just redirects me to the English CMS login page.

:frowning:

Lp, m.

#20

>

https://www.libreoffice.org/home/why-use-libreoffice-at-home/?stage=Stage

even if I am logged into Slovenian CMS, clicking that link does not
show this "stage" page, it just redirects me to the English CMS login
page.

What happens if you log in a second time?

N.