Problem with LibreOffice 5

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#1

Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause problems.

#2

I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new. Even with fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble. That is one reason I use Ubuntu Linux with MATE desktop environment. Even people who use Linux can tell you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows does.

As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are problems with both. The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier versions of Office with .docx

Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect. Our developers are volunteers. They do the best they can to fix any issues that are reported in the Bug Reporting system. The good thing is that LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course, LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such complex that only 0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will use. There were special "classes" on these very complex options/functions. One year there was an announcement that the new version have over 1000 new functions over the previous version. LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package to due it all".

#3

I do not have that choice. I have to have Windows for some of the packages that do not have a Linux substitute - yet. All three laptops have a Widows 10 partition and one for Ubuntu 16.04. If I can, the Linux partition is larger than Windows. I have been using Ubuntu Linux since Feb. 2010 as my default OS.

Here is a weird problem with Windows. I has to wipe its 1 TB drive and start from scratch. I installed a fresh install of Windows 10, with all of the needed hardware drivers, and then Ubuntu 16.04 on the largest partition. When I use Windows for simple things like running a defrag, package install or even play a YouTube video, the quad core overheats to 170+ degrees and higher. On the other hand using the Linux partition, I can do anything from kernel updating to multiple YouTube video downloads while viewing a 1080p music video and not go above 140 or 150 degrees.

#4

That's just true. Only time documents don't render elements is when you use
features only in the new version. Microsoft back ports format support. It's
not an issue. Office 2007/10 documents opened with no issues in Office
XP/2003, save for the above named issue.

Using new version quickly after release on older hardware is always an
issue due to drivers. The OS is new and often developers and OEMs don't
have the updates out. This exists for all OSes. My Razer peripherals didn't
function for weeks after the macks Sierra update because Razer didn't have
their driver updates ready.

Vista had many driver level changes, and people moving from 98/Me to
2000/XP had even greater issues with both software and hardware.

That's all pretty much expected.

I used RH Enterprise Linux WS back then. My device drivers (especially
graphics) broke on version upgrades while I waited for ATI to get a new
package out, and this still happens with system upgrades that change things
like the Kernel or X.Org.

I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had
trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new. Even with
fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble. That is one reason I use Ubuntu
Linux with MATE desktop environment. Even people who use Linux can tell
you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows does.

As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are
problems with both. The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different
between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx
formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier
versions of Office with .docx

Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect. Our developers are
volunteers. They do the best they can to fix any issues that are reported
in the Bug Reporting system. The good thing is that LibreOffice is less
"complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course, LibreOffice's Writer was not
designed to do such complex that only 0.001%[+/-] or less of their market
users will use. There were special "classes" on these very complex
options/functions. One year there was an announcement that the new version
have over 1000 new functions over the previous version. LibreOffice was
not designed to be "one package to due it all".

#5

I am having trouble with my Feb 2010 AMD quad core desktop. It started out as Ubuntu 9.10. I now have it set up for 14.04LTS. The big issue with going beyond that - i.e. 16.04 - is the fact that the upgrade craps out during the install process. I have to have 13.10 or earlier to get my Canon MG6220 drivers to work. Then I get to update/upgrade it to 14.04LTS. Then I must stop or crash the install and have problems with GRUB thinking that it had a good install for 16.04 when it does not work at all. At least now I have very little on the 250 GB OS's drive that gets lost. I stopped using it for emails after that. It is just a files server now - sort of.

As for MS Office - well I had one lady make her Word documents as .doc files. Between me and all the people the documents go to uses every version from 2007 to the version out two years ago. Then there is me who has not used MS Office since 2003, used OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice since then, prefer the .doc format over the .docx format.

That is what you get with the current marketing practice, make it so that you cannot get proper working drivers in Windows after a few years, so you have to keep buying new printers, etc., every few years even if the printer is still running great. It is really a problem with Windows 10 to get my Canon printers [old and new] working with all of their options. Win10 wants "their" drivers instead of what the printer installs. It is even worse to get an all-in-one printer's scanning functions [all of them] to show up in the scanning "app", if the printer's scanning ability is actually registered in the Device's window.

#6

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Have you tried linuxquestions.org for support?
http://www.linuxquestions.org/
I use Slackware, not Ubuntu, but I have gotten some good support from lq in the past on a problem or two that stumped me. They may be able to help you with your upgrade installation.

To say something in support of software driver developers, I can imagine it is a daunting task to continue to support old hardware. Much of it is long gone to the trash collection or electronic recycling - especially mechanical devices that wear out, and driver developers probably no longer have an instance of a particular piece of old hardware to test their drivers with. Even if they had, the quantity of different devices and models could become a time-consuming task to test each and every one. In this day of new stuff coming on the market quickly, obsoleting a previous version, I imagine it is quite difficult to keep supporting the old stuff and some things slip through the cracks.

That said, I have quite a lot of old stuff and sympathize with what you are saying. I am satisfied with not buying the latest gadget as soon as it comes on the market and tossing out something that is still working. I always remember the wise words of Adam Osborne: "He, who lives on the cutting edge of technology, gets sliced to bits!"

Girvin Herr

#7

AMD processors run hot. This is not news. Most software is biased towards
Intel in optimizations so your AMD CPU will be taxed while an Atom
processor will provide more efficient processing. This is very noticeable
during media tasks and sustained CPU loads, where AMD will thermally cap
and throttle more quickly.

I personally believe Microsoft optimizes for Intel while all but ignoring
AMD. That's what it feels like when I go between comparable systems using
different CPU. The AMD always runs hotter and throttles much faster. You
can hear this on systems with fans.

I figured that was the case, and that is why I asked about the CPU. My AMD
laptop cannot play 1080p 60FPS without dropping frames (SSD and 8GB Ram...
Quad Core). Sometimes the machine will crash. My atom tablet plays 120FPS
1080p like they're VGA video video files - flawlessly.

There is a huge efficiency gap between Intel and AMD.

As far as I'm concerned AMD processors aren't worth any savings they
provide and I will never buy another matching with an AMD CPU/APU, ever.
They're terrible, especially in notebooks.

Windows is not the problem here, in my opinion.

DOCX is deprecated. Have person install compatibility pack and set default
to OOXML in their office apps.

Can't comment on update and upgrade issues beyond what I have done already.
There are too many variables that can cause breakage and failure, and they
aren't all to do with Windows itself.

I am having trouble with my Feb 2010 AMD quad core desktop. It started out
as Ubuntu 9.10. I now have it set up for 14.04LTS. The big issue with
going beyond that - i.e. 16.04 - is the fact that the upgrade craps out
during the install process. I have to have 13.10 or earlier to get my
Canon MG6220 drivers to work. Then I get to update/upgrade it to 14.04LTS.
Then I must stop or crash the install and have problems with GRUB thinking
that it had a good install for 16.04 when it does not work at all. At
least now I have very little on the 250 GB OS's drive that gets lost. I
stopped using it for emails after that. It is just a files server now -
sort of.

As for MS Office - well I had one lady make her Word documents as .doc
files. Between me and all the people the documents go to uses every
version from 2007 to the version out two years ago. Then there is me who
has not used MS Office since 2003, used OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice
since then, prefer the .doc format over the .docx format.

That is what you get with the current marketing practice, make it so that
you cannot get proper working drivers in Windows after a few years, so you
have to keep buying new printers, etc., every few years even if the printer
is still running great. It is really a problem with Windows 10 to get my
Canon printers [old and new] working with all of their options. Win10
wants "their" drivers instead of what the printer installs. It is even
worse to get an all-in-one printer's scanning functions [all of them] to
show up in the scanning "app", if the printer's scanning ability is
actually registered in the Device's window.

#8

Think I got thread mix up with another. Have office user save to ODF.
Office can do that since Office 2007. Binary office files are more
susceptible to corruption and that format is obsolete.

Can help with Linux install issues. Ubuntu does the even boot on my laptop
(AMD), but maybe that's a UEFI/Secure Boot problem I couldn't care less to
troubleshoot.

I've installed Windows XP drivers in Windows 10 for peripherals and they
work. Windows doesn't break drivers at anything close to the same rate as
Linux. Connect printer to Windows without driver installed. Most times it
will pull a working driver off Windows update. The generic drivers work for
most printers, although specialized functionality may not be available. But
that's often the case with Linux drivers, anyways (like with almost every
desktop graphics card, in fact).

Not seeing the problem.

I am having trouble with my Feb 2010 AMD quad core desktop. It started out
as Ubuntu 9.10. I now have it set up for 14.04LTS. The big issue with
going beyond that - i.e. 16.04 - is the fact that the upgrade craps out
during the install process. I have to have 13.10 or earlier to get my
Canon MG6220 drivers to work. Then I get to update/upgrade it to 14.04LTS.
Then I must stop or crash the install and have problems with GRUB thinking
that it had a good install for 16.04 when it does not work at all. At
least now I have very little on the 250 GB OS's drive that gets lost. I
stopped using it for emails after that. It is just a files server now -
sort of.

As for MS Office - well I had one lady make her Word documents as .doc
files. Between me and all the people the documents go to uses every
version from 2007 to the version out two years ago. Then there is me who
has not used MS Office since 2003, used OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice
since then, prefer the .doc format over the .docx format.

That is what you get with the current marketing practice, make it so that
you cannot get proper working drivers in Windows after a few years, so you
have to keep buying new printers, etc., every few years even if the printer
is still running great. It is really a problem with Windows 10 to get my
Canon printers [old and new] working with all of their options. Win10
wants "their" drivers instead of what the printer installs. It is even
worse to get an all-in-one printer's scanning functions [all of them] to
show up in the scanning "app", if the printer's scanning ability is
actually registered in the Device's window.

#9

To be fair, I don"t think Concerned Citizen said he still used NT4, only that Windows has used the same method to control permissions since NT4.

That said, since I accidently erased Windows from my computer last year, I haven't missed it.

Virgil

#10

AMD processors run hot. This is not news. Most software is biased towards
Intel in optimizations so your AMD CPU will be taxed while an Atom
processor will provide more efficient processing. This is very noticeable
during media tasks and sustained CPU loads, where AMD will thermally cap
and throttle more quickly.

The problem system is a quad core Intel cpu laptop. My desktop is an older quad core AMD cpu.

When MS Windows 10 runs on the Intel laptop, it overheats running almost anything. The Linux partition does not overheat unless highly taxed like running multiple video format conversions at the same time.

I personally believe Microsoft optimizes for Intel while all but ignoring
AMD. That's what it feels like when I go between comparable systems using
different CPU. The AMD always runs hotter and throttles much faster. You
can hear this on systems with fans.

I do not know anything about MS's bias, but the laptop's Intel cores run much hotter than when running Ubuntu Linux. My quad core desktop has a lot fans in the case due to the simple fact that with 4 hard drives, and 1 DVD burner, the case is now a little cramped even - even though there are enough drive racks to handle 2 more drives. So I added a fan in the top most optical drive opening to help suck out the heat better.

My quad Intel laptop has only 2 "air ports" [Asus's name for them]. I do not feel any heat coming out of either one while running Windows or Linux.

I figured that was the case, and that is why I asked about the CPU. My AMD
laptop cannot play 1080p 60FPS without dropping frames (SSD and 8GB Ram...
Quad Core). Sometimes the machine will crash. My atom tablet plays 120FPS
1080p like they're VGA video video files - flawlessly.

There is a huge efficiency gap between Intel and AMD.

I have 3 different working laptops, and two working tablets. The laptops have different Drive, CPU, and RAM setup. Only the newest [quad core Intel and 8 GB RAM] has the overheating problem with Windows 10.

The oldest tablet is a true Nook tablet instead of a standard tablet using the Nook packages. The surprise is the Nook has a better resolution with their 7 inch display over the newer 10 inch display.

As far as I'm concerned AMD processors aren't worth any savings they
provide and I will never buy another matching with an AMD CPU/APU, ever.
They're terrible, especially in notebooks.

Windows is not the problem here, in my opinion.

DOCX is deprecated. Have person install compatibility pack and set default
to OOXML in their office apps.

The problem here is the agencies that are sent the document files, along with me and others, have different versions of Word or not using Word at all - like me. The IT people in each agency have a list of mandated packages to be installed on their systems and the users - the lady who creates the docs - are not allowed to install any other software or patched. Some of these agencies have disabled the use of USB drives of any size, or even CDs/DVDs, due to system security mandates.

I have been using LibreOffice since the first version. LO replaced my OpenOffice.org package. I was using my quad core desktop and Ubuntu 9.10 at that time - or was it 10.04. My last version of MS Office was 2003. I never looked back.

Can't comment on update and upgrade issues beyond what I have done already.
There are too many variables that can cause breakage and failure, and they
aren't all to do with Windows itself.

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