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Hi, Tom,
> He wrote something...
I was going to ask you a question, but it's not worth the time to edit your Yahoo post. 
I can get gmane to list all of the subscribed LO newsgroups and it
contains all of the messages in this thread. Not sure how that
happened, but... I'm not able to post to the group though, so this is
of no value to me until I can.
If posting instructions works for all of you then I'm ok with it, but I
still think regular newsgroups are a better idea for almost everyone
(though some obviously disagree).
I'm still not sure why Linux distributions like Ubuntu would use regular
newsgroups, but a major player like LO won't. I think this question
needs a good answer.
Dave,
They don't. alt.os.linux.ubuntu isn't in *any way* related to any Ubuntu
list, group, forum et al. If you read the usenet charter it was simply
started by folks that wanted a usenet group. Ubuntu user lists are
available via gmane.org at: gmane.linux.ubuntu.user, as are nearly all
the other Ubuntu lists:
There's your answer.
...
Let's see how simple I can make this work...
Let's start with this page: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg07354.html
I think this will give you my first message about having Gmane sending issues.
Why don't you read the thread, see if it's any help. If not, I'll do something else.
By the way, if Dave thinks it _is_ a must to have a "regular newsgroup", why wouldn't he start one and see?
He assumes to know several things, but is just speaking. Dave, act!
He wants to read only through NNTP ("regular newsgroup"), he doesn't want to use Web. Please provide him a "nntp://" URL otherwise he wont read it
Dave, by the way: do you know that Ubuntu WebForums (duh!) are also very famous? So why not a phpBB based fprum for LO? Just like Ubuntu...
I wasn't asking him to read the entire newsgroup, just that thread to see if it helps him solve his Gmane problem.
As for an nntp URL address, I haven't figured out how to pry that out of Thunderbird. Of course, you could have helped and given him the address.
Or, he could use this web address for reading just the thread, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/6638, and it will look a lot like reading via a newsgroup reader. I just now found this feature in Gmane.
Hi Ken
Ken Springer-3 wrote:
I was going to ask you a question, but ...
A question about wiki editing is a little off-topic for this thread but
perhaps start a new topic / ask a new question? The Documentation List is
probably a more appropriate place to ask but there are more people in the
Users List.
Regards from
Tom
"dave boland" <dboland9@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:1317088585.19753.140258148080037@webmail.messagingengine.com...
I can get gmane to list all of the subscribed LO newsgroups and it
contains all of the messages in this thread. Not sure how that
happened, but... I'm not able to post to the group though, so this is
of no value to me until I can.
The Gmane service provides an NNTP (News) interface to an e-mail (SMTP) *list*. It does this by taking the e-mail messages sent to the list and transferring them to a news group - and vice versa. To post to a group via Gmane the e-mail address from which you intend to post needs to be authorised,= by Gmane. So, the procedure is:
1. Post to the group from your intended e-mail address.
2. Check that e-mail address's Inbox for a message from the Gmane Authoriser.
3. When you get that message, reply to it - no actual text necessary
4. Wait for another message from the Gmane Authoriser saying you are authorised. You are now authorised 
Note too that the rules for different e-mail lists are different:
1. For some mail-lists, including, I believe, the old OOo groups, it is *not* necessary for the e-mail address mentioned above to also be subscribed to the list.
2. For some lists, including, I believe, the LO lists, it *is* necessary for the e-mail address to be subscribed. Typically you would subscribe using the "nomail" (or equivalent) option so that you don't also get all the mail messages.
From the Help for the users@global.libreoffice.org mail list:
== begin extract from help ===
To subscribe to the "nomail" version of this list send a message to:
users+subscribe-nomail@global.libreoffice.org
The nomail version of a list means that you are reccognized as a
subscriber, but will not get any messages to the list. This is useful when it's
necessary to post from several emailaddresses to a subscribers only list.
=== end extract from help ===
Harold Fuchs
London, England
Using Usenet newsgroups (regular newsgroups as opposed to web based
newsgroups) are easier to use. The others are a pain in the ass and I
don't use them. Yes, I know Ubuntu has both, but I don't use the web
based stuff. An no, I'm not going to start one -- that is the job of LO
support.
With that, my participation in this thread is over. Have a good day.
Dave,
that is the job of LO support.
Uh! I see...
With that, my participation in this thread is over.
You just throw your shit and go away? Nice.
"dave boland" <dboland9@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:1317127470.13576.140258148244061@webmail.messagingengine.com...
Using Usenet newsgroups (regular newsgroups as opposed to web based
newsgroups) are easier to use. The others are a pain in the ass and I
don't use them. Yes, I know Ubuntu has both, but I don't use the web
based stuff. An no, I'm not going to start one -- that is the job of LO
support.With that, my participation in this thread is over. Have a good day.
<snip>
The procedure I described is for *real* Usenet (NNTP) access to a Gmane News (NNTP=Usenet) group via a News (NNTP=Usenet) client. Why all the red herrings about web interfaces? Who mentioned them. I'm talking Usenet=NNTP=News as per 30 years or so ago, long before the web was ever built (1990 or so).
Harold Fuchs
London
Mihamina Rakotomandimby schrieb:
Have you heard about Gmane?
You can have this list as newgroup with this.
I'm posting to this list via Gmane successfully, as you can see.
In contrary, posting to
gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user.german and other
lists does not work properly. I do not know why and do not have
time to find it out.
That is the main reason, why I personally support the OP for
calling real native newsgroups.
Besides, I also think it is the most useful way.
But I guess most of those readers are used to Mailing Lists,
although *I* don't like to blow up my Mailclient with hundreds of
Postings...
Greetings
Stefan Gruber
Mihamina Rakotomandimby schrieb:
Have you heard about Gmane?
You can have this list as newgroup with this.I'm posting to this list via Gmane successfully, as you can see.
In contrary, posting to
gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user.german and other
lists does not work properly. I do not know why and do not have
time to find it out.That is the main reason, why I personally support the OP for
calling real native newsgroups.
One thing to consider, if LO were to do this, is the cost of setting it up and then maintaining the system.
Besides, I also think it is the most useful way.
But I guess most of those readers are used to Mailing Lists,
although *I* don't like to blow up my Mailclient with hundreds of
Postings...
I hate mailing lists, and was just about to unsubscribe when I learned about Gmane. Just recently, I found a couple other ways/places to read the mailing list that resembles a newsgroup, but IMO still not as handy as a newsgroup reader.