Real Usenet newsgroups

I would like to request that LO get real newsgroups like Ubuntu
(alt.os.linux.ubuntu) and MEPIS (alt.os.linux.mepis) have. Real
newsgroups are more convenient to use, don't clog up newsreaders with
unwanted notes, and don't waste time on cutesy web pages. LO is now an
open source force (a good thing), and it is time to have real
newsgroups.

Yes, I'm aware of spam concerns -- so what!

Dave,

Have you heard about Gmane?
You can have this list as newgroup with this.
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user

So what? :wink:

I'm not interested in a web based system -- too slow, reg, req'd., etc.
Make it regular newsgroups like Ubuntu and Mepis.

Dave,

Dave,

May I suggest you reread about Gmane?

I read my chosen LO lists via the Gmane interface, and I read it as a newsgroup in Thunderbird. It's absolutely no different than when I read the Mozilla groups, and eternal-september.org.

I'll send you a screen shot if you'd like some evidence. :slight_smile:

Again, have a look at
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user

Ok... Let me explain, as you seem brain dead:

1°) On
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user, you'll find a link saying: "Using an NNTP newsreader. "

2°) pass you mouse over that link and carefully look at the target URL
nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user

that means:
- NNTP protocol
- NNTP server: news.gmane.org
- Group name in that server: gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user

I wish it's clearer... Otherwise, you should tone down and ask for basic help on using "internet".

Ken,

I'm sorry -- it looked like a web interface when I went to the page.
One question -- will I be able to post questions to the NG like I can
with Ubuntu and Mepis? If I have all of the functionality of a regular
NG, then I'm good to go. In the mean time, I'l have another look at
Gmane.

Dave,

Ok, enough of the insults. If your not part of the answer, they you are
part of the problem. So go back to doing something else so the adults
can have a discussion.

Dave

No apology necessary, Dave, I've misinterpreted/misread so many things in my life! LOL

The answer is yes, you can post. That's how I do it.

But, I do find the overall instructions via both LO and Gmane to be confusing, at least it was to me.

+1

Stefan Gruber

Well, there's a slight snag here, due to be solved real soon now. As I understand it, the mailing list program used by libreoffice in its present version can not accept unmoderated posts sent via gmane unless the sender is also registered with libreoffice. Also as I understand it, this is due to change in an upcoming version of the mailing list program.

This means you have two choices at present.

1. You can register with the libo mailing list using the -nomail parameter. This means that your posts via gmane get right through the system, but you don't get any emails. You read the newsgroup in your nntp reader. To use this option send an email from the same email account you registered with gmane to <listname>+subscribe-nomail@global.libreoffice.org. Reply to the resulting email and you're done. Listname for the users list is, of course, users.

2. You don't register with the libo mailing list, which means that, until the list manager is updated, your posts will come to one of the moderators to be approved before getting on the list. Normally this seems to result in a delay to be reckoned in minutes rather than hours.

HTH

//James
One of the moderators

James,

Thanks for the very clear post on the subject. I have no problem with a
delay of minutes to an hour -- nothing is so important it can't wait a
few minutes. So, I'll not change anything for now.

Instead, I'll try to figure out this gmane thing. I've been subscribed
to:
gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.documentation

for a few months, but there are never any updates to it, so something
needs to get fixed.

Dave,

A short time back, the email addresses for the mailing lists were changed, and there were acknowledged problems. Eventually, I had to completely redo my settings with both LO and Gmane to get everything working.

This is why I r e a l l y think that it is time to go to regular
newsgroups -- a lot less fussing for the user.

I have been on the gmane sight twice, and I still don't see how to
subscribe. It is not worth the bother!

Spam aside, what are the objections to regular newsgroups? It just
seems like it is the right thing to do at the right time to do it.

Dave,

This is why I r e a l l y think that it is time to go to regular
newsgroups -- a lot less fussing for the user.

I have been on the gmane sight twice, and I still don't see how to
subscribe. It is not worth the bother!

Spam aside, what are the objections to regular newsgroups? It just
seems like it is the right thing to do at the right time to do it.

Absolutely not. I receive and read the e-mail messages and find them very
useful. Like many others on this list, I dislike newsgroups and forums
(fora?). If you like newsgroups, stick to gMane.

jomail

This is why I r e a l l y think that it is time to go to regular
newsgroups -- a lot less fussing for the user.

I see no difference between using Gmane and any other newsgroup, once it's set up. It's just that the instructions on how to do it are crappy at best. And LO can't do anything about Gmane's instructions.

I have been on the gmane sight twice, and I still don't see how to
subscribe. It is not worth the bother!

I *think* I see the problem. You may have some things mixed up, resulting in you trying to do the impossible.

I'd like to explain this here, in the list, but I'm not sure the "how to do it" would be appropriate for the thread. I'd also like to be able to include some screenshots, but since the list is text only, I can't do that either. And, it would be lengthy, if you want me to do a good job. :slight_smile:

I'd like to get some feedback on the legitimacy of posting the instructions here. Maybe something from a moderator would be nice. :slight_smile:

Well, just a thought - create the instructions with screenshots on the
wiki and then just post a link to the page here...?

//drew

I've actually never been to the wiki! LOL So, I'm not sure I'd want to tackle that idea right now. :slight_smile:

I *am* sure that if did something like that, I'd want to be more professional looking, sounding, and somewhat looking like other items on the wiki.

And that would probably take more time than what I was going to do for Dave.

I'm not interested in a web based system -- too slow, reg, req'd., etc.
Make it regular newsgroups like Ubuntu and Mepis.

Dave,

+1, I even download my gmail using a pop connection.

> This is why I r e a l l y think that it is time to go to regular
> newsgroups -- a lot less fussing for the user.
>
> I have been on the gmane sight twice, and I still don't see how to
> subscribe. It is not worth the bother!
>
> Spam aside, what are the objections to regular newsgroups? It just
> seems like it is the right thing to do at the right time to do it.
>

Absolutely not. I receive and read the e-mail messages and find them very
useful. Like many others on this list, I dislike newsgroups and forums
(fora?). If you like newsgroups, stick to gMane.

jomail

pl of forum in Latin is fori, you are thinking of forae, which is the
genitive/plural ending for feminine nouns (usually end -a) and -um nouns
are usually neuter. (If I remember my Latin from way back in the Dark
Ages LOL)

Hi :slight_smile:
The home page is
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page

The Documentation pages don't yet have an area like the "Community Documentation" for Ubuntu or other distros but i guess we could go that way.

If you do a rough draft of a wiki-page then hopefully other people would tidy it up and give it a more professional look later on.  The whole idea is that pages are worked on collaboratively, ie people add and change bits or even shift the page to somewhere more appropriate later.  the rough draft would be enough to help with this particular question this time and then just see if people help with editing later :slight_smile:
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile: