Separating L10n/QA/Native-lang contacts

l10n
#1

Hi all,

In order to ease the communication across projects, I'm going to draw some dedicated contact tables on the l10n wiki page:

- One dedicated to L10n teams which will give a contact name for teams working on UI, Help, Extensions, Templates (and future sites not here yet)

- One dedicated to QA teams for l10n QA and smoke tests for RCs. Thanks to Rimas, David Emerich Jourdain and the support of the Brazilian groups we should have soon a manual testing QA tool in place.

- One dedicated to Native-language teams with contact(s) name(s) for the marketing, website, support and documentation tasks, so the international projects knows who to ping when needed. This is mostly important for marketing and website because it directly depends of the international actions.

I know that sometimes names will overlap between the 3, but it's not important and in the future, the community/your community will grow :wink:
It's only contact tables, no follow up of the work will be done here.
But I don't think we need separated mailing lists for L10n and Native-lang teams yet.

Is it ok for you or do you have remarks, requests or other ideas?
If it's ok, I'll work on the tables by the end of the week.
Thanks in advance.

Kind regards
Sophie

#2

Hi Sophie,

2011.02.02 12:11, Sophie Gautier rašė:

Hi all,

In order to ease the communication across projects, I'm going to draw some dedicated contact tables on the l10n wiki page:

- One dedicated to L10n teams which will give a contact name for teams working on UI, Help, Extensions, Templates (and future sites not here yet)

- One dedicated to QA teams for l10n QA and smoke tests for RCs. Thanks to Rimas, David Emerich Jourdain and the support of the Brazilian groups we should have soon a manual testing QA tool in place.

- One dedicated to Native-language teams with contact(s) name(s) for the marketing, website, support and documentation tasks, so the international projects knows who to ping when needed. This is mostly important for marketing and website because it directly depends of the international actions.

I know that sometimes names will overlap between the 3, but it's not important and in the future, the community/your community will grow :wink:
It's only contact tables, no follow up of the work will be done here.
But I don't think we need separated mailing lists for L10n and Native-lang teams yet.

Is it ok for you or do you have remarks, requests or other ideas?
If it's ok, I'll work on the tables by the end of the week.

have you considered starting with simply three columns instead of three tables? IMO, putting all information in one place would be fine, as long as it's structured well.

While we're at this, I think the L10n category on our wiki actually needs some love. Currently, all our pages are quite scattered. Maybe we need a category home page, or something, with a list an explanation of what is where. What would you say?

Rimas

#3

Hi Rimas,

Hi Sophie,

[...]

have you considered starting with simply three columns instead of three
tables? IMO, putting all information in one place would be fine, as long
as it's structured well.

Yes, that's a good idea, I'll try to put all in one table. I just want the different teams to be well and quickly identified.

While we're at this, I think the L10n category on our wiki actually
needs some love. Currently, all our pages are quite scattered. Maybe we
need a category home page, or something, with a list an explanation of
what is where. What would you say?

Oh, yes, I agree :slight_smile: several places on our wiki need love I fear. Would you like to work on that? May be put a general category for Languages and separate the information for Native-language teams and L10n Teams on different pages?

Kind regards
Sophie

#4

Þann mið 2.feb 2011 10:22, skrifaði Rimas Kudelis:

Hi Sophie,

2011.02.02 12:11, Sophie Gautier rašė:

Hi all,

In order to ease the communication across projects, I'm
going to draw some dedicated contact tables on the l10n
wiki page:

- One dedicated to L10n teams which will give a contact
name for teams working on UI, Help, Extensions, Templates
(and future sites not here yet)

- One dedicated to QA teams for l10n QA and smoke tests
for RCs. Thanks to Rimas, David Emerich Jourdain and the
support of the Brazilian groups we should have soon a
manual testing QA tool in place.

- One dedicated to Native-language teams with contact(s)
name(s) for the marketing, website, support and
documentation tasks, so the international projects knows
who to ping when needed. This is mostly important for
marketing and website because it directly depends of the
international actions.

I know that sometimes names will overlap between the 3,
but it's not important and in the future, the
community/your community will grow :wink:
It's only contact tables, no follow up of the work will be
done here.
But I don't think we need separated mailing lists for L10n
and Native-lang teams yet.

Is it ok for you or do you have remarks, requests or other
ideas?
If it's ok, I'll work on the tables by the end of the week.

have you considered starting with simply three columns
instead of three tables? IMO, putting all information in one
place would be fine, as long as it's structured well.

+1

While we're at this, I think the L10n category on our wiki
actually needs some love. Currently, all our pages are quite
scattered. Maybe we need a category home page, or something,
with a list an explanation of what is where. What would you
say?

Rimas

Agree, the page <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Category:L10n> is a bit spartan.
And since its the page referred to from <http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers/> I think there should be some more info on how to participate. This could be a new "l10n entry page" or simply some text above the categories.

Possibly with following items:

General about localization
How to start a new language
Difference between l10n and Native-lang
Translating the software (UI and Help)
Translating the website + wiki
Translation tools
Reviewing, QA and testing RCs

Or something along this route.

I could write drafts for some of the subjects, if we find someone willing to proofread non-native english. And if Sophie is willing to compose the intro... :wink:

Best regards
Sveinn í Felli

#5

Hi Sophie,

2011.02.02 15:01, Sophie Gautier wrote:

I think the L10n category on our wiki actually
needs some love. Currently, all our pages are quite scattered. Maybe we
need a category home page, or something, with a list an explanation of
what is where. What would you say?

Oh, yes, I agree :slight_smile: several places on our wiki need love I fear. Would you like to work on that?

I'm trying to make my improvements when they come to mind. But most often they don't, so then I fall back to trying to cope with the amount of emails I've been recieving lately. :slight_smile:

May be put a general category for Languages and separate the information for Native-language teams and L10n Teams on different pages?

I don't really know how these teams are differrent. IMO, a single well structured area should be able to serve all local teams well, be they localizers, supporters, or marketers...

What I think is really needed is a "main entry point" to the L10n/NL wiki. It should at least contain links to the pages:
* how to join/start an L10n team
* how to get a website in your language (XX.libreoffice.org)
* where to register/how to join mailing lists
* other relevant topics (if any, can't think of them now)

As long as the info above doesn't take much space, I think the same page could contain the aforementioned table with a list of L10n/NL/Language teams.

By the way, in my opinion, QA is a part of the L10n process, so perhaps it shouldn't be separated from the L10n topic right in the home page. Also, I can't help but assume that there usually is some coordination/communication/collaboration between all the teams working on a particular language (e.g. French L10n, QA, Support, Marketing teams). I just can't imagine them all working absolutely independently, each heading their own direction. Or is my imagination too limited? :slight_smile:

Rimas

#6

Hi Rimas

Hi Sophie,

2011.02.02 15:01, Sophie Gautier wrote:

I think the L10n category on our wiki actually
needs some love. Currently, all our pages are quite scattered. Maybe we
need a category home page, or something, with a list an explanation of
what is where. What would you say?

Oh, yes, I agree :slight_smile: several places on our wiki need love I fear. Would
you like to work on that?

I'm trying to make my improvements when they come to mind. But most
often they don't, so then I fall back to trying to cope with the amount
of emails I've been recieving lately. :slight_smile:

ah, I easily understand, so much to do :slight_smile: I'll see later, may be next week I'll be able to work on it.

May be put a general category for Languages and separate the
information for Native-language teams and L10n Teams on different pages?

I don't really know how these teams are differrent. IMO, a single well
structured area should be able to serve all local teams well, be they
localizers, supporters, or marketers...

Well, why not, as long as somebody working on marketing or documentation and searching for a team doesn't have to scroll into all the l10n things :wink:

What I think is really needed is a "main entry point" to the L10n/NL
wiki. It should at least contain links to the pages:
* how to join/start an L10n team
* how to get a website in your language (XX.libreoffice.org)
* where to register/how to join mailing lists
* other relevant topics (if any, can't think of them now)

As long as the info above doesn't take much space, I think the same page
could contain the aforementioned table with a list of L10n/NL/Language
teams.

ok, let see how it goes, if there is too much info, it's easy to split any way.

By the way, in my opinion, QA is a part of the L10n process, so perhaps
it shouldn't be separated from the L10n topic right in the home page.

Yes and no :wink: in fact a big part of the QA is not related to l10n even if it's needed in l10n area. What we can do is only speak about test dedicated to l10n? May be it depends also on how we structure the tests on Litmus (if Litmus is ok)

Also, I can't help but assume that there usually is some
coordination/communication/collaboration between all the teams working
on a particular language (e.g. French L10n, QA, Support, Marketing
teams). I just can't imagine them all working absolutely independently,
each heading their own direction. Or is my imagination too limited? :slight_smile:

Most of the time, they never do translations, but the needed material is created by the different teams, we have our own posters, flyers, how-tos, books, mascot, website etc, so localization has very little to do (may be even nothing) with this work.
The only direct cooperation would be about QA and the feedback provided on the localization quality. In fact, Native-language teams are much more creative than localizers :wink: Joke apart, it's just not the same job (and I love localization) , but I think it's true for several projects here.

Kind regards
Sophie

#7

Hi Sveinn,
[...]

have you considered starting with simply three columns
instead of three tables? IMO, putting all information in one
place would be fine, as long as it's structured well.

+1

While we're at this, I think the L10n category on our wiki
actually needs some love. Currently, all our pages are quite
scattered. Maybe we need a category home page, or something,
with a list an explanation of what is where. What would you
say?

Rimas

Agree, the page <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Category:L10n> is a
bit spartan.
And since its the page referred to from
<http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers/> I think there
should be some more info on how to participate. This could be a new
"l10n entry page" or simply some text above the categories.

ok, I'll follow Rimas advice on this for now. We will see if we are happy with the result, otherwise, it's easy to modify any way.

Possibly with following items:

General about localization
How to start a new language
Difference between l10n and Native-lang
Translating the software (UI and Help)
Translating the website + wiki
Translation tools
Reviewing, QA and testing RCs

Or something along this route.

Ok, great,

I could write drafts for some of the subjects, if we find someone
willing to proofread non-native english. And if Sophie is willing to
compose the intro... :wink:

Ok, thank you for your proposal, please go ahead on what you want to develop, I have people around me to proofread if needed, so don't be shy :slight_smile: I'll work on the intro

Kind regards
Sophie

#8

Hi Sophie,

2011.02.02 16:20, Sophie Gautier rašė:

ok, let see how it goes, if there is too much info, it's easy to split any way.

thanks for your explanations. I absolutely agree with this scenario. :slight_smile:

Rimas

#9

Hi all,

Hi Sophie,

[...]

While we're at this, I think the L10n category on our wiki actually
needs some love. Currently, all our pages are quite scattered. Maybe we
need a category home page, or something, with a list an explanation of
what is where. What would you say?

So I've begin to fill a home page with some information :
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language

I've created a NLT (Native Language Teams) category too, so the pages should be easy to find.
I'll try to finish to fill the pages during the next week, but in the meantime, don't hesitate to add what you think is necessary.

Also please complete the table with contact names for the different part your team is working on. Thanks in advance.

Kind regards
Sophie

#10

Hello,

While we're at this, I think the L10n category on our wiki actually

needs some love. Currently, all our pages are quite scattered. Maybe we
need a category home page, or something, with a list an explanation of
what is where. What would you say?

So I've begin to fill a home page with some information :
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language

I've created a NLT (Native Language Teams) category too, so the pages
should be easy to find.
I'll try to finish to fill the pages during the next week, but in the
meantime, don't hesitate to add what you think is necessary.

I wonder what NLT could also mean. It could be Natural Language Technology,
New Love Testament, NeoOffice/LibreOffice Team, Neanderthals Looking for
Technology, Niagara Luxury Tours, Natural Leotard Tops, Never Liked
Tomatoes, No Language Trespassing or something. :slight_smile: I hope people get to used
to NLT as LO L10N teams interpret it.

I find the "Language" page name very vague. Maybe plural would help?

Lp, m.

#11

Hi Martin,

Hello,

  While we're at this, I think the L10n category on our wiki actually

needs some love. Currently, all our pages are quite scattered. Maybe we
need a category home page, or something, with a list an explanation of
what is where. What would you say?

So I've begin to fill a home page with some information :
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language

I've created a NLT (Native Language Teams) category too, so the pages
should be easy to find.
I'll try to finish to fill the pages during the next week, but in the
meantime, don't hesitate to add what you think is necessary.

I wonder what NLT could also mean. It could be Natural Language Technology,
New Love Testament, NeoOffice/LibreOffice Team, Neanderthals Looking for
Technology, Niagara Luxury Tours, Natural Leotard Tops, Never Liked
Tomatoes, No Language Trespassing or something. :slight_smile: I hope people get to used
to NLT as LO L10N teams interpret it.

lol, yes, I hope, we were used to NLC, this is a small change to NLT :slight_smile:

I find the "Language" page name very vague. Maybe plural would help?

Well, I didn't have any good ideas this morning, I just wanted to keep it neutral. But if you have a better name or others have better ideas, no problem to change it.

Kind regards
Sophie

#12

hi,

2011.02.06 11:01, Sophie Gautier rašė:

Hi Martin,

Hello,

  While we're at this, I think the L10n category on our wiki actually

needs some love. Currently, all our pages are quite scattered. Maybe we
need a category home page, or something, with a list an explanation of
what is where. What would you say?

So I've begin to fill a home page with some information :
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language

I've created a NLT (Native Language Teams) category too, so the pages
should be easy to find.
I'll try to finish to fill the pages during the next week, but in the
meantime, don't hesitate to add what you think is necessary.

I wonder what NLT could also mean. It could be Natural Language Technology,
New Love Testament, NeoOffice/LibreOffice Team, Neanderthals Looking for
Technology, Niagara Luxury Tours, Natural Leotard Tops, Never Liked
Tomatoes, No Language Trespassing or something. :slight_smile: I hope people get to used
to NLT as LO L10N teams interpret it.

lol, yes, I hope, we were used to NLC, this is a small change to NLT :slight_smile:

I find the "Language" page name very vague. Maybe plural would help?

Well, I didn't have any good ideas this morning, I just wanted to keep it neutral. But if you have a better name or others have better ideas, no problem to change it.

I think all that info could have instead gone into the L10n category page...

Rimas