Share-point?

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#1

Hi :slight_smile:
Has anyone managed to get MS Sharepoint working with 4.0.0?  Apparently it's one of the features that are supposed to be in the 4.0.0 although i have no idea what SharePoint is nor why anyone would use it.

According to the comments under this article
http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/libreoffice-40-available-for-download.html
Somewhere about 1/4 up from the bottom
"Алексей Бродкин • 6 days ago
It seems like some of highlighted options are missing from this release.
1. Unity/Global menu integration - at least I cannot see it in action or any toggle in setting
2. SharePoint integration. From here http://tekonorma.fr/WPblogTN/2… I learnt that to have this option one needs to instal a corresponding plug-in from here http://extensions.libreoffice… and you may see this link leads to "This page does not seem to exist…" - seems like due to legal issue plugin was removed."

Sure enough the link didn't work so i got to the Extensions site another way but a quick search to find "sharepoint" or "share point" didn't reveal any relevant Extensions.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#2

Just 'searched' and found this -
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s12Jb5Z2xaE

       Seems somewhat silly since we could all benefit if we were to use
DropBox -
          http://db.tt/v1nUSr8M

Hi :slight_smile:

#3

Hi :slight_smile:
Ahh, so is it a sort of Content Management System that can be used to hold documents centrally, like putting them on a shared folder on a Lan so that everyone can work on the same file instead of each generating different copies and then trying to compare all the different ones to incorporate all the different changes?  Sort of like a wiki?
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#4

Content Management System :wink: ... LAN :wink: ... a wiki :wink: ???

          as to these - I haven't a clue; I'll continue to stick with the
KISs method :wink:

       But if we each sign up to use DropBox, we can each end up with 6Gb
of free space to use as we wish in sharing documents -
           and MsFt does not have any control over this :slight_smile:

Hi :slight_smile:

#5

Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business,
that is unacceptable - and rightly so, since it means important documents
go outside your perimeter. Instead they use a document management system
(like Sharepoint or Alfresco) that they install and manage centrally.

Unlike a wiki, a document management system gives full, normal document
management. Unlike a CMS it is all about documents, and unlike a LAN share
it does versioning and workflow.

Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses. A normal user will never
need it.

#6

Sharepoint needs to be configured with CMIS support, last I heard this
was not trivial.

Cedric Bosdonnat would know about this, I asked on IRC and he was
looking for someone with such a setup to test further.

F.

#7

Hi :slight_smile:
Thanks :)  That makes it sound more like a regular LAN with possibilities of being a fairly standard WAN.  Still, even if that is all it is then it's nice to have a nice gui rather than dropping to the command-line to set people up.

Just possibly i'm just being dismissive purely because it's MS. 
Thanks and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#8

Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business,
that is unacceptable - and rightly so, since it means important documents
go outside your perimeter. Instead they use a document management system
(like Sharepoint or Alfresco) that they install and manage centrally.

Unlike a wiki, a document management system gives full, normal document
management. Unlike a CMS it is all about documents, and unlike a LAN share
it does versioning and workflow.

Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses. A normal user will never
need it.

I don't understand the relation between these propositions:

a) "Microsoft might not have control over it, but Dropbox will. For a business, that is unacceptable..."

b) "Basically, Sharepoint is something for businesses."

is the point that it is better for a business that Microsoft hold their documents than that Busybox does?

just seeking clarification.

(I have Busybox but don't use it for a number of reasons; I am not acquainted enough with Sharepoint.)

F.

#9

HI :slight_smile:
Ahah, so it's something to do with my buddy's video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeM
linked to from the main website
http://www.libreoffice.org/home/Discover#/Discover%20it
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#10

SharePoint is internal network solution. It does not exchange any information
it holds with Microsoft servers. Your confidential data stays yours.

This is opposite to Dropbox, Google Docs, Microsoft SkyDrive and any other
cloud system, where you must share your data with system operators.

#11

Sharepoint is a self-hosted solution. You are relying on a Microsoft
product, but the documents are never handed over to Microsoft and none of
the files never leave your network. It isn't perfect, but is generally
fairly secure (as secure as your networks, anyway) and companies can use it.

Dropbox is an unencrypted cloud solution. Once it is on the Dropbox severs
then any of the Dropbox staff /could/ read it. Or it could be copied or
otherwise lost by people who aren't your employees. Or it could be leaked
as party of a wider Dropbox hack/leak. Or it could be retrieved by a
foreign government (USA, I think) without your knowledge. Generally, it is
out of your corporate network perimeter and hence out of your control. In
general, that is *not* a good thing.

That's not to say people can't use Dropbox. If you don't value your files
(or have some reason to trust that nothing will happen to your unencrypted
files in an unknown data centre or data centres) then that might be fine,
but for a company that has to protect its ideas and business secrets then
an internally hosted solution is the only sensible option, even if it is
from Microsoft.

#12

I see; good prompt for me to do some research. I wholly agree this is far better than BusyBox for many purposes.

F.

#13

Sharepoint is a self-hosted solution. You are relying on a Microsoft
product, but the documents are never handed over to Microsoft and none of
the files never leave your network. It isn't perfect, but is generally
fairly secure (as secure as your networks, anyway) and companies can use it.

Dropbox is an unencrypted cloud solution. Once it is on the Dropbox severs
then any of the Dropbox staff /could/ read it. Or it could be copied or
otherwise lost by people who aren't your employees. Or it could be leaked
as party of a wider Dropbox hack/leak. Or it could be retrieved by a
foreign government (USA, I think) without your knowledge. Generally, it is
out of your corporate network perimeter and hence out of your control. In
general, that is *not* a good thing.

That's not to say people can't use Dropbox. If you don't value your files
(or have some reason to trust that nothing will happen to your unencrypted
files in an unknown data centre or data centres) then that might be fine,
but for a company that has to protect its ideas and business secrets then
an internally hosted solution is the only sensible option, even if it is
from Microsoft.

I wholly concur that it is generally better to keep stuff 'home' to the extent possible. (just lost a local struggle here about this issue but regarding using google apps.)

you could put _encrypted_ files on Busybox thus obviating that security leak, and you could maintain backups thus ensuring you don't lose the files. but better keep things at home.

F.

#14

Yes, you can encrypt it first, but a) that is an extra step and b) it only
gives you a semi-useful backup, not a fully versioned document store.

If you want encrypted backups then I'd suggest SpiderOak instead - they
encrypt it with a key they don't know, so they *can't* read it. Still, for
Corporate environments, that isn't as useful as a central managed store
that they can just backup once.

#15

you're right.

and thanks for the tip about SpiderOak!

this thread is off-topic but I'll take advantage of it before it's cut: I would like a solution where

a) individuals could upload documents to me
b) they wouldn't be able to see each other's documents (unless I allowed it)
c) should be either linux-based or agnostic.

anyone with a tip?

F.

#16

You meant Dropbox :wink: .

Busybox is set of minimalistic Linux command-line tools. It has completely
different purpose.

#17

Hi :slight_smile:
So is Alfresco an OpenSource alternative?  If not what is?
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

#18

IBBoard wrote:

Dropbox is an unencrypted cloud solution. Once it is on the Dropbox severs
then any of the Dropbox staff/could/ read it. Or it could be copied or
otherwise lost by people who aren't your employees. Or it could be leaked
as party of a wider Dropbox hack/leak. Or it could be retrieved by a
foreign government (USA, I think) without your knowledge. Generally, it is
out of your corporate network perimeter and hence out of your control. In
general, that is*not* a good thing.

I haven't used Dropbox, but I have created an encrypted folder on Google Drive. I imagine the same would work with Dropbox.

#19

Erm... Dropbox _claims_ to encrypt your files. Yes, the DB staff may be
able to read it, it depends on the encryption method (not entirely sure, I
think they said something like AES-256 or something, maybe I'm getting
confused).

Someone correct me if I've got my info wrong!

IBBoard wrote:

Dropbox is an unencrypted cloud solution. Once it is on the Dropbox

severs

then any of the Dropbox staff/could/ read it. Or it could be copied or

otherwise lost by people who aren't your employees. Or it could be leaked
as party of a wider Dropbox hack/leak. Or it could be retrieved by a
foreign government (USA, I think) without your knowledge. Generally, it

is

out of your corporate network perimeter and hence out of your control. In
general, that is*not* a good thing.

I haven't used Dropbox, but I have created an encrypted folder on Google

Drive. I imagine the same would work with Dropbox.

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#20

I wholly agree this is far better than BusyBox for many purposes.

You meant Dropbox :wink: .

slip of the pen or rather key.

Busybox is set of minimalistic Linux command-line tools. It has completely different purpose.

yeah, sorry. have it installed on my Samsung tablet.

F.