Hi Johnny,
Thanks for the comeback; it's handy to get slapped with a reminder now &
then about English not being a poster's first language. It wasn't obvous to
me at all so you're doing pretty darned good.
I am of the opinion your "problem" is a small one but there are still
some things that might help you out, so I'll address those where I can.
See Inline, please: some unneeded text trimmed for clarity:
In news:CADo7T4e+d1ZpcaGMuh_w2-cWMhDR+TRD2sPBq59-PbkqJUzodA@mail.gmail.com,
Johnny Rosenberg <gurus.knugum@gmail.com> typed:
This is the LibreOffice users' list. It's not a real
support. We are
just users who help each other out. You can ask
questions and you can
reply to other people's question if you like.
True. The NNTP news group at gmane.com contains the same messages as are in
the List and as long as we remember to add the e-mail address to you, also
shows up in the List. The newsgroup's full NNTP newsgroup-name is
gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user
if you'd like to compare it to the list.
A real mail reader like OE6 or Mozilla Thunderbird and many others, also
free, are best for reading newsgroups with. From the Headers of your post,
you appear to be using Google to reach the newsgroups and that's probably
the real source of any lost messages you mentioned.
Well, I don't think my comment was meant for you, but
maybe I totally misunderstand what you are saying here
(English is of course not my native language, that's why
it look very strange sometimes).
That's OK. Your post was positioned such that it looked like a post to me,
though when you make posts, unless you say so, everyone can get and read
your post and respond to it. It's not unusual to get responses from more
than one person.
I guess I should have written bcouldb instead of
bshouldb or something, I don't know.
That's not a problem IMO, but here is something that IS important if view of
your post here.
1. If English isn't your native language, then you should say so in your
post so that the answers can be kept simpler and use more easily understood
words.
2. Have you checked to see if there is a list of newsgroup in your native
language? If so, that might be a better place to ask simple questions such
as this one was.
I suspect you have the answer you need by now, right?
Anyway, I have always said that if someone is not
subscribed it's not my problem that he or she doesn't
receive my replies.
IMO (in my opinion), that's an error in your thinking. People not getting
your responses should put up a mental flag for you that something is not
right.
Also, when people are complaining that they don't get your response,
especially if it's more than one person, then you should start by assuming
there is a problem at your end. I suspect, but can't be sure of course, that
it's Google messing you up; it usually is. There are a lot of people who
won't accept mails from Google Groups and some won't accept ANYthing from
Google. They even have rules set up that simply drop anything from Google.
Although I'm not sure how you're responding, if you respond to the mailing
list, it will show up on NNTP (the gmane newsgroup). If you're using Google
to read newsgroups, then I understand: delivery problems are the norm there
and it's easy to let a response go astray, too. Google is simply not a good
newsgroup reader. And the mailing list fills your Inbox wth mails that have
nothing to do with your original post. In MY opinion, news readers are great
for reading mail.
People didn't like that kind of
attitude, so now I changed that; I even added that
address to the bTo:b field, to make sure that my reply
would reach the right person.
I guess I now need to find a third way of doing it, but
I'm not sure what's left. Well, I know one thing: Not
replying at all. That's quick and easy and doesn't annoy
anyone. I think I'll go with that until I find something
better. Thanks for your advice.
That's you choice, of course, but if you enjoy discussing problems and
getting help from others, you'll find it very handy.
No, not for me. I have more to do than scan mailing
lists looking for my post responses when I can have them
pointed out to me automatically and all grouped
together. When I have a question, I DO NOT CARE to see
other answers; I might if I were a newbie and had lots
of time avalable, but I don't.
This is only my opinion, but some of the advice you gave
leaves a little to be desired.
I'm not even sure it's right to call it advice. I just
throw my crap
at the nearest place, obviously.
If I understand what you mean, that's a mistake to do that. If you have a
legitimate news reader, then amongst other things, you hace have it show you
ONLY responses to you and nothing else, organize your original message on
top with all the responses underneath it in the order received or any other
way you'd like to see it. Or you can look at all your messages at once,
each with your original at the top and responses to it underneath, just to
mention a few things news readers will do for you like mark read messages,
hide read messages for now, and many other things.
when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls)
there is a strikethrough feature that allows you to
mark words that you want to delete but stIll keep them
in the text, e.g. strikethrough.
I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office
(also not in former Open Office). Is there such a
feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the bold,
italic and underline feature.
I guess I totally misunderstood what's bplain textb. I
thought it was the same as bnot formattedb text. Only
enter text, not formatted in any way. Everything I type
is plain UTF-8 text, which is 8 bits in the most common
cases, but a lot of characters requires two or even three
bytes. Are you really suggesting to use 7-bit text?
Yes, I was. But you may have some special cases where it won't work for you
easily. Myself, I read all text in Plain Text settings. If I should need to
see the 8 bit content and know who sent it, then a simple ALT-Shift-H
switches the view to 8 bit. Almost nothing anyone sends me such as malware
cannot execute in 7 bit text. In fact, some places will warn you and then
ignore you if you don't use Plain Text.
But I see you have:
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Mime is friendly to malware and a hole for letting it in. It's best not to
use it on newsgroups.
You have Plain text set, and then UTF-8, parts of which are not friendly
to each other. Also UTF8 does not use the same codes for the same characters
all the time. You can see evidence of that earlier in your response to me.
Base64 is also unfriendly to Plain Text settings.
In
that case you can only write in English, so what about
when I write to the LibreOffice mailing list in my
language?
Not true. The language you write in is the one you have loaded. Simply
switch the language to your native when you need it. I have many Japanese
friends I converse with who have both English and kanji or whatever it is
called, loaded and switch from one to the other quickly.
Three of our letters in our alphabet doesn't
exist in 7-bit text, and they are VERY commonly used in
my language.
There are MANY characters in utf8 that don't exist in Plain Text. But to
post to groups and lists, etc., you should be using Plain Text. It results
in very small files to be transmitted and prevents problems for others using
Plain Text or worse, those whose readers display everything onscreen. Such
mails can become very difficult for a person to read on their screen.
And with 7 bits none of the eastern Asian
countries, like China, Japan and more, could write to a
mailing list. For me it
is UTF-8 or nothing, so I guess I just have to
unsubscribe to all mailing lists then. Well, I could do
that. It might actually be a very good idea; I might even
get some real things done.
I don't understand why you say that, because it's not true. The List will
accept your Plain Text just fine and prefers it when you consider the amount
of data that must be stored on their disks. We must be at odds with our
syntax here, I think. UTF however should also work.
B With Plain Text, you don't get the Unicode or Mime
problems that go along with 8-bit e-mails.
I don't know what bMimeb is, but so far I never saw any
Unicode problems,
YOU won't see any problems, since you're the originator.
"bMimeb" above is one of several "problems". So you CAN see the problems
you caused for others in this response. They are minor for now, in this
particular post, but in some cases can get you a lot of flames and grief.
Not all, but some. Newsgroup standards, which are specced in an RFC and a Y
both require Plain Text unless the group's bylaws say something different.
at least not more than there seems to
be some really old stuff out there that doesn't support
it, but that's not my problem anyway, it's theirs.
It's really your loss, of course. It's your right to do whatever you want
to do of course, but if you'd like to use newsgroups/lists, you're going
about it all wrong because the error is at your end hen you consider you're
going to be talking to people who know more than you do.
HTH,
Twayne`
HTH is simply to stand for "Hope This Helps" but it appears to me you may
have a bit of a closed mind about having your e-mail settings straightened
out so they are always readable.
It's pretty much standard jargon for posting and e-mailing. There are
places where you can look up that sort of thing but I think I'll resist
finding the URLs for you right now because you appear right now to be a lost
cause for good netiquette and 'net usage. It's very likely only that you're
not aware of several things about the internet and communicating on it.
People who are following the standards are simply not going to change
anything to accomodate one person.
If you wish further assistance, feel free to contact me again and I'll set
my filters to allow you thru to my personal e-mail if you prefer. There are
many web sites for good information on everything talked about here and with
a small bit of assistance they should be usable by you and several possibly
in your native language. I'd be happy to assist you and look up URLs for you
to read.
HTH,
Twayne`
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