Translating without Pottle

l10n
#1

Hi,

I would like to know if Libreoffice can be translated without Pottle. I
mean, can I get files, and send them to someone or somewhere for review
or upload. Can the translation be done continuously? Or it is "block"
per release (a cycle)?

Thanks for your feedbacks

Regards

#2

Hi Jean-Philippe

Hi,

I would like to know if Libreoffice can be translated without Pottle.

Yes

mean, can I get files, and send them to someone or somewhere for review
or upload.

Depending on the language team work flow, it's a possibilty.

Can the translation be done continuously? Or it is "block"

per release (a cycle)?

I don't understand your question here. Work is not release based, strings
are.

Cheers
Sophie

#3

I would like to know if Libreoffice can be translated without Pottle. I

Yes, it's doable, and there are precedents of it being done that way.

or upload. Can the translation be done continuously? Or it is "block"
per release (a cycle)?

There is only a "cycle" of POT templates packages being updated (fairly rarely).
Look here:
http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/latest-pot/

-Yury

#4

ok thanks folks. What about French team then? Is the workflow documented
on the wiki and could it include .po files? Or it just uses Pottle?

Regards,

#5

Hi Jean-Philippe, *,

Hi,

I would like to know if Libreoffice can be translated without Pottle

It's Pootle :stuck_out_tongue:

. I
mean, can I get files,

Yes, you can download the pots from the "templates" language. (or the
(partially) translated po files from existing languages.

and send them to someone or somewhere for review
or upload.

It is much easier for release process if you
a) upload your translated files to pootle, even if you don't use the
pootle webinterface
or
b) upload the changed files to the translation repository yourself.

Having to gather translations from multiple sources basically
guarantees that something will be missed, however if all is in pootle,
your stuff will definitely be used.

And especially if you as for review, then you need to have some tool
at least similar to pootle that allows you to submit
suggestions/review suggestions.

Can the translation be done continuously?

It is done that way. After 5.2.1 is released, 52 projects will be
created in pootle, just like for 51, 50 and the versions before that,
and master will be updated to reflect the master branch/what will at
some point end up in 5.3.0

Or it is "block"
per release (a cycle)?

translations never block. We have English string freeze, but no
translation freeze. For every bugfix release translations will be
updated.

ciao
Christian

#6

This is something I already explained you. You know that Jean-Baptiste
and me are coordinating together either directly or on the French QA
list. The workflow is not documented in French, but in English on the
wiki. Jean-Baptiste translate online on Pootle, while I translate
offline using OmegaT or editing the .po files when I'll grep for
corrections.

Cheers
Sophie

#7

This is something I already explained you. You know that Jean-Baptiste
and me are coordinating together either directly or on the French QA
list. The workflow is not documented in French, but in English on the
wiki. Jean-Baptiste translate online on Pootle, while I translate
offline using OmegaT or editing the .po files when I'll grep for
corrections.

ok and when you translate offline then, you don't have any problems as I described, ie Pottle saying a string is fuzzy whereas it is processed? Any new contrib could do the work with Jean-Baptiste and you I suppose?

I don't find the wiki page again and do not remember all the explanations, all the more as when you did the process was changing because translation was being integrated in the code directly or something like that. So I would be glad to have it again to see how a contrib could help JB and you.

Thanks

Regards

#8

Hi all,

I don't find the wiki page again and do not remember all the
explanations, ...

I've spent some time looking at pootle, wiki and mail list archives...

I do see

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translating_LibreOffice#POT_and_PO_files
pointing too
  http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/latest-pot/
but you typically don't want to work on latest po files, but the files
from your project..

This page

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UI_and_Help_files_Content_Guide#Search_and_manage_.po_files
gives neat tips, but not what we are looking for now..

The guide
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PootleGuide
mentions a tip, but I can't find it on the current Pootle - maybe it's
for the older Pootle version?

So, can someone point to what did we not see so far?

thanks!
Cor

#9

Hi,

I don't find the wiki page again and do not remember all the
explanations, ...

[...]
So, can someone point to what did we not see so far?

No another mail in the archive
  http://www.mail-archive.com/l10n@global.libreoffice.org/msg09489.html
learns that we can use smthing as
  https://translations.documentfoundation.org/export/?path=/nl/libo_ui/

Where on the wiki or ... should we have seen that?

We can split that into separate po files, I guess?
(I've read a reference to separate files somewhere..)

And it is correct that we must use the program Pomerge
  http://translate-toolkit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/commands/pomerge.html
to upload the translated files?

And working with more people simultaneously on the same file is not
possible, I guess?

Thanks!
Cor

#10

Hi Cor,

Sorry but I already answered a long time ago to Jean-Phi on this, what are
you searching for?
Cheers
Sophie

#11

Hi Sophie,

Sorry but I already answered a long time ago to Jean-Phi on this, what are
you searching for?

Apparently the answer. Somehow I missed that mail in all the ones I saw..

#12

I've deleted quite some mails from my local box. And all I see in the
archive is
  http://www.mail-archive.com/l10n@global.libreoffice.org/msg10208.html
and
  http://www.mail-archive.com/l10n@global.libreoffice.org/msg10217.html

also refering to an explanation.
So - sorry - if you can please help me :slight_smile:

Thanks,
Cor

#13

I've numerous discussions with Jean-Philippe, but usually in French :wink:
There is no documentation on on/offline FR l10n on the wiki,
Jean-Baptiste is translating online and me is working offline, we
coordinate both together when needed.

Cheers
Sophie

#14

Hi Sophie,

I've numerous discussions with Jean-Philippe, but usually in French :wink:
There is no documentation on on/offline FR l10n on the wiki,
Jean-Baptiste is translating online and me is working offline, we
coordinate both together when needed.

We too are looking in possibilities for offline translating.
As I wrote in my mails from last Saturday (14:51; 15:13), I've searched
the wiki-pages, but could not find the proper info.

Did I simply oversee it? If so: where is it. If not: how can we find out
how it works?

thanks!

Cor

#15

Hi Cor,

Hi Sophie,

I've numerous discussions with Jean-Philippe, but usually in French :wink:
There is no documentation on on/offline FR l10n on the wiki,
Jean-Baptiste is translating online and me is working offline, we
coordinate both together when needed.

We too are looking in possibilities for offline translating.
As I wrote in my mails from last Saturday (14:51; 15:13), I've searched
the wiki-pages, but could not find the proper info.

Ha, so nothing to do with French pages.

Did I simply oversee it? If so: where is it. If not: how can we find out
how it works?

There is no documentation on the wiki because each tool has his own
documentation:
http://www.omegat.org/en/omegat.html
http://virtaal.translatehouse.org/
https://poedit.net/
for some of them
Then, you download the .po files from Pootle, you translate them via
your preferred tool and upload the files again on Pootle.
Is that what you was searching for?
Cheers
Sophie

#16

Hi Sophie,

There is no documentation on the wiki because each tool has his own
documentation:
http://www.omegat.org/en/omegat.html
http://virtaal.translatehouse.org/
https://poedit.net/
for some of them
Then, you download the .po files from Pootle, you translate them via
your preferred tool and upload the files again on Pootle.
Is that what you was searching for?

That makes sense as a start.
I could find info on where to download/upload PO files. The wiki pages
for Pootle seem to be different than what I see?
Also: can po files for parts of the project be downloaded? I guess it's
not OK to work on the same part on line and off line at the same time..

Thanks,
Cor

#17

Hi Sophie,

There is no documentation on the wiki because each tool has his own
documentation:
http://www.omegat.org/en/omegat.html
http://virtaal.translatehouse.org/
https://poedit.net/
for some of them
Then, you download the .po files from Pootle, you translate them via
your preferred tool and upload the files again on Pootle.
Is that what you was searching for?

That makes sense as a start.
I could find info on where to download/upload PO files. The wiki pages

    could _not_ find (oops!)

#18

Hi Sophie,

There is no documentation on the wiki because each tool has his own
documentation:
http://www.omegat.org/en/omegat.html
http://virtaal.translatehouse.org/
https://poedit.net/
for some of them
Then, you download the .po files from Pootle, you translate them via
your preferred tool and upload the files again on Pootle.
Is that what you was searching for?

That makes sense as a start.
I could find info on where to download/upload PO files. The wiki pages

    could _not_ find (oops!)

see here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PootleGuide#Overview
on the screenshot, see the two links to download and upload the files

for Pootle seem to be different than what I see?
Also: can po files for parts of the project be downloaded?

yes, you can download each file of a project or a folder of the project
or the whole project. It depends on where you are on the tree while
downloading. What is important is to upload the files at the same
place/level you download them.

I guess it's

not OK to work on the same part on line and off line at the same time..

Yes, it's not possible as the files are not synchronized.
Cheers
Sophie

#19

OK.. I've changed the wiki a bit.
- The handle is right and for me only visible when I'm in a special project.
- And the tab Overview is not shown for me.

I think more changes are needed, but I'm glad this past is clear for me
now :slight_smile:

thanks for your help

Cor

#20

Hi Cor,

see here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PootleGuide#Overview
on the screenshot, see the two links to download and upload the files

OK.. I've changed the wiki a bit.
- The handle is right and for me only visible when I'm in a special pr

oject.

- And the tab Overview is not shown for me.

I think more changes are needed, but I'm glad this past is clear for m

e

now :slight_smile:

thanks for your help

well we also have
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UsingOmega
T
how to use omegaT in the wiki. maybe that should also be linked. :wink:

Cor

Dennis