Trial of LibreOffice

I am still trialling LO but have one or two issues.

1. With Open Office I always updated using the British version so that
dates, spelling etc automatically adopt the British format.
It is proving tedious to have to convert all my spreadsheet date formats so
I wonder if there is a similar facility in LO?

2. If I want to edit an existing Word document I find that the format
painter will not in all circumstances reformat all paragraphs to match. For
example I have tried to set paragraph spacing identically for several
paragraphs but it seems only to do it for paras that matched beforehand.
The always worked in Open Office but not in LO.

So far the only advantage seems to be that LO can create to docx and xlsx
formats. Unless these problems can be resolved I fear that I will have to
revert to OO.

Hi Alwyn,

I am still trialling LO but have one or two issues.

1. With Open Office I always updated using the British version so that
dates, spelling etc automatically adopt the British format.
It is proving tedious to have to convert all my spreadsheet date formats so
I wonder if there is a similar facility in LO?

Have you installed the en-GB language pack and changed the defaults
under Tools > Options > Languages > Date acceptance patterns ?

Alex

Thanks.

I have downloaded both the latest version of Libre Office and the language
pack. I think that the set up for Macs must be different as those options
aren't in Tools. A search in Help showed them in
LibreOffice/Preferences/Languages etc. I seem now to have succeeded in
changing language and date settings for all documents.

The formatting issue remains to be resolved.

What can I say, the format painter uses hard formatting, and that is
frowned upon by those who use styles :wink:

It may of course be a bug in the format painter, searching in the
LibreOffice bugzilla might enable you to find out if others have had the
same problem.

Alex

Hi :slight_smile:
There is no harm in having both LibreOffice and OpenOffice installed
alongside each other. Mostly i tend to find they are so much the same that
either will do, although i have a slight preference for LibreOffice.

I found these guides to be the best help with LibreOffice;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

Chapter 3 of the "Getting Started Guide" helps a lot with styles and
formatting but a long-term user of OpenOffice might not find anything
hugely new or different.

I tend to find most documents written with MS Office a pita tbh. I tend to
just copy&paste as "unformatted text" into a new document and then apply my
own formatting. Back when i used to use MS Office too it would take hours,
even days, to reformat even a 1-2 page document to fit into the
newsletter. Using "paste as plain text" (or as unformatted text) helped
quite a lot but LibreOffice/OpenOffice's "Styles" made such work take just
a few minutes. I'm not sure what i'd do if the document was many pages
long or highly complex though.

Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

TomD wrote

There is no harm in having both LibreOffice and OpenOffice installed
alongside each other.
...

Actually they do not get along all that well, but will coexist if you
perform a custom installation and disable the "Quick Starter" feature from
in the Optional Components section both--and also clear the "File Type"
dialog of checks to not assign a program association.

Stuart

Thanks Tom,

That's most helpful and I note that it also includes the tabs for Mac Users.
It occurs to me that it is probably possible to set up a particular style
for a paragraph; this might be possible with a macro for example. I will
explore these instructions. My wife is still using Open Office but, as my
iMac is nearly 6 years old I am trying not to overload it with stuff.

By the way there seems to be a typo after the word MS Office. I suspect you
meant to say a 'pain in the ....'

I have had then running side by side on Linux fine for a few years, no special install. I still have to keep OO to cater for functionality dropped from LO and it works fine.
Steve

+1.

AOO 4.1.2 + LO 5.0.6.3 + Slackware Linux 14.1 (k3.10.103). However, I do not use the "Quick Starter" - my choice. ...And vice-versa: LO still has the Base Report Generator, AOO does not. So I keep them both for the features I like and rely upon.

Girvin Herr

+1 AOO and LO "fresh" on Arch Linux, with the LO quick starter. No problems.

Hi :slight_smile:
Ahh, there used to be problems but i thought those had all been sorted
out. The trick was to make sure that LO and AOO weren't actively running
at the same time - hence the need to disable the QuickStarter.

If there are still problems with a straight-forwards install alongside
OpenOffice then these instructions might help a re-try;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel/OS_X

Apols if i made a tpyo and for guessing my probable intent so well :slight_smile:

Also thanks to all who pointed out a possible error error in my advice and
for giving a good correction. Also thanks to all the people who reassured
me that i had good reason for saying what i did. :)) Both are good
reasons, imo, for preferring forums/email-lists to traditional forms of
support that rely on a single point-of-contact.
Many thanks, good luck and regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

I have both installed on both Linux and Windows. No issues I've noticed.

Hi :slight_smile:
Thanks :slight_smile: I think it used to be quite noticeable. Whichever one was open
first (including quick-starter if that was enabled) would stay fine but the
2nd instance wouldn't open, or would get part-way open and then crash.

I think the problem was caused by LibreOffice and OpenOffice (and i think
the various forks which have now mostly merged back into LO or AOO afaik)
using the same command to open;
soffice
Since this would attempt to re-open the same program/suite in the same
program-folder but also trying to be whichever one you'd tried to open 2nd
it would all get very confusing for the poor machine. It's possibly
entirely different from that but that is the way i understood it at the
time from various people trying to explain it.

So if you've not noticed that sort of thing happening then you are probably
fine.
Regards from
Tom :slight_smile:

That is a problem when one doesn't use the full path, when starting the
program from the command line.

In an ideal world, AOo, EO, LibO, NO,and the other variants would use a
different command. This is something that would have to be done by the
project.

jonathon

Tom et al.,
I looked at this a while back and discovered that on my Slackware system, LO and AOO are installed into separate sub-directories in /opt, with symlinks in /usr/bin with different names pointing to the appropriate soffice. soffice seems to be some sort of legacy name from the old Star Office days. I, too, wonder why it is not changed to be something more unique. However, I am not privy to the inner workings of these programs nor organizations. The symlinks are an adequate work-around.
Girvin Herr

Neither of them currently uses soffice. LibreOffice uses libreoffice
and OpenOffice uses openoffice4.

James Knott wrote

Neither of them currently uses soffice. LibreOffice uses libreoffice
and OpenOffice uses openoffice4.

Sorry, Dave is correct.

Those actually are names of the AppData folders holding the user profile,
both programs on Windows builds use a mixed--soffice.exe launcher and
soffice.bin runtime.

And yes they conflict when both are fully installed/configured in Windows
registry--HKCU and HKLM/Software and especially if an instance of one or the
other is running an soffice.bin process of its QuickStarter.

Well, the KDE menu uses those commands, rather than soffice and they
also work at the command line. If I use soffice, I get LibreOffice.
/usr/bin/libreoffice is a symlink to /lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice,
but /usr/bin/openoffice4 is a binary.

I'm not sure this thread is about my problems but the title sure fits. I have had some real problems with what used to be an Excel 2001 spreadsheet running on a Mac 8500 with which I am now having hardware problems. I am also using Linux these days and I find it a real release from the likes of touch screens and gestures. My first machine was a Control Data 1604 that I programmed in assembly language using a Hollerith card punch. Fortran, was new without any year following the name.

My first spreadsheet ran on a Heathkit H49 which drove a TV receiver and it has grown a bit into Excel 2001 but I did a lot of things that modified the spreadsheet so that it works my way. Apple's Macintosh Programmer's Workshop served as my way to write tools that are now called Macros.

I open my Excel spreadsheet in a Linux shell using the command "librecalc Finance_16.xls".

OpenCalc reads it fine and warns me "Macros may contain viruses. Execution of macros is disabled due to the current macro security setting in Tools - Options - LibreOffice - Security."

I don't yet understand that because I haver used anything but the spreadsheet in MS Office but I really expect that I would have some programming to do to make them work with OpenCalc. I accepted the offering to create a new file that I named Finance_16.ods and the spreadsheet now comes up the way I expect. But it still warns me about Macros! I expected them to disappear. There seems to be no way to attempt execution of any of them. I miss my "sort and find now".

My spreadsheet uses one line to represent a payment or a deposit. The first three columns are dates that are the initiation of the transaction, the clearance date at the bank, and a forecast date which is not, at least yet, a problem. The next column I call "method" and is sometimes "DISC" for a well known credit card but also may be a check number or a flag my macros might use to indicate work yet to be done on the details. The E column indicates which of the bank accounts is involved and might be just "s" for cash operations. Out in J,K,L,M adjustments to balances on the appropriate accounts are made using the value in column F. The code there is carefully done so that rows can be added easily without any need to adjust the parameters. Example, =OFFSET(K614,-1,0)-Amount*BalOp. That "K614" item is taken to mean the row in which the formula resides. and OpenCalc might, and might not, do that the way Excel does. The BalOp is a flag that depends on other columns in the ledger. -1 is a deposit, 0 means no change, and +1 is a payment. Lines that are paid but not closed are treated depending on a Macro setting that identifies what we want to see "today".

One thing I like to do is to log in to my bank and download their idea of changes for a month or less. They like to allow download of data that shows amounts and dates when transactions cleared. The bank likes comma separated ASCII text but in Excel2001 I have to have tab separations. A bit of perl5 fixes that easily but neither seems to work for OpenCalc. I like to use a separate sheet in a workbook to accept the bank data and make appropriate adjustments so that the data fits into the columns above. A copy and paste special makes it easy, in a macro, to get the bank's idea and allows me to insert those lines into the ledger sheet at a point close, in time, to the previously entered checks. I can sort them by the amount of the transaction and quickly change the clear time and, perish the thought, add in whole transactions made by the lady of the house. After the fix I change column A, the date, to blank and an overall sort will take them to the bottom for deletion.

   BUT OpenCalc seems to have other ideas.

1: The dates from Discover or the bank have date values as MM/DD/YYYY. When I place them over in the right and allow spreadsheet formulas to move them to the right place they come out `MM/DD/YYYY with the starting apostrophe that tells Calc to leave them alone and never convert to date even when I carefully format the receiving cells to MM/DD which is what I really want. There may be a way but I haven't figured it out yet. The problem is the same for directly reading a CSV file

2: When I add the bank items into a point in the ledger near the current time there seems to be no way to ask for a sort that works only for selected rows. In fact I can make OpenCalc forget about the names I have carefully given to the 4 rows at the top and the rest of the ledger.

3: I need a way to insert the bank lines into the defined range and expect the definition of the range to recognize the number of lines involved. Adding 15, or maybe a miscounted 17, lines to a range is needed and I really don't like that. Perhaps there is a way with macros. . . I did find a couple of suggestions for adding a single row in the middle of a range. But why not a simple ability to paste above a selected line? Excel does it.

4: OpenCalc needs to have a way to accept dates, when explicitly told, from the MM/DD/YYYY stuff that banks use. It also needs to be very clear about the underlying float for days and fractions thereof. I think I'm using 1904 as the zero of time but it's not clear that is always true or if it just remembers what Apple set in Excel. I have not found anywhere in the published information that says 1904 and I'm really on a Linux box that uses 1970.

5: /I do have more but I do hope I can be helpful.

Doug
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James,

Maybe not. Have you looked at your /usr/bin/openoffice4 ?

On my Slackware system, I have a /usr/bin/openoffice4 file and it is a shell script which invokes /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice with "$0" as an argument.

Shell scripts are marked executable, but they are not a binary. You can read them as plain text.

Girvin Herr