I currently have LibreOffice v. 3.3.0 installed on my Win7 computer (still
trying to get it on Linux Mint, but that's another question).
Is there an easy (of course) way to upgrade to v. 3.3.2?
Thanks, and warmest regards,
Jon Colt.
I currently have LibreOffice v. 3.3.0 installed on my Win7 computer (still
trying to get it on Linux Mint, but that's another question).
Is there an easy (of course) way to upgrade to v. 3.3.2?
Thanks, and warmest regards,
Jon Colt.
As far a I know, you have to install 3.3.2. There is not real update/upgrade path.
Thanks for responding. JC.
I believe that there is a plan to have an update file available in the future, instead of needing to do a full install, but that is hard to do, since there is so much that is worked on between versions. These fixes are module wide sometimes, so it would be hard to just install the new files. It could be that 50% or more of the module coding could have been updated or tweaked between minor updates.
________________________________
From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <webmaster@krackedpress.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 25 May, 2011 12:51:50
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] upgrade path?
On 05/24/2011 08:56 PM, Jon Colt wrote:
Thanks for responding. JC.
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:32 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions< > webmaster@krackedpress.com> wrote:
On 05/24/2011 10:16 AM, Jon Colt wrote:
I currently have LibreOffice v. 3.3.0 installed on my Win7 computer (still
trying to get it on Linux Mint, but that's another question).
Is there an easy (of course) way to upgrade to v. 3.3.2?
Thanks, and warmest regards,Jon Colt.
As far a I know, you have to install 3.3.2. There is not real
update/upgrade path.
I believe that there is a plan to have an update file available in the
future, instead of needing to do a full install, but that is hard to do,
since there is so much that is worked on between versions. These fixes
are module wide sometimes, so it would be hard to just install the new
files. It could be that 50% or more of the module coding could have
been updated or tweaked between minor updates.
Hi
I heard/saw somewhere that although there is currently a rapid and frequent (ie
very aggressive) release cycle at the moment that there is an intention to slow
down to 6monthly releases at some point within the next year or so. Personally
i just stick with an older release (3.3.1 on most machines) but if i need to
upgrade i tend to try to fit the downloads onto Cd or usb-stick so that i can
carry it to various different machines.
There is rarely any real need to upgrade. Just because it is there doesn't mean
you have to use it!
Regards from
Tom
PS i just checked and my current Ubuntu is on 3.3.2 somehow, magically.
Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 19:04)
I heard/saw somewhere that although there is currently a rapid and frequent (ie
very aggressive) release cycle at the moment that there is an intention to slow
down to 6monthly releases at some point within the next year or so. Personally
This is completely nonsense.
Let me more or less repeat myself: pls stop writing about things that you do not know pretty sure that your ideas are true.
You spread a lot of ...
i just stick with an older release (3.3.1 on most machines) but if i need to
upgrade i tend to try to fit the downloads onto Cd or usb-stick so that i can
carry it to various different machines.There is rarely any real need to upgrade. Just because it is there doesn't mean
you have to use it!
A useful attitude in an open source project is the opposite.
Regards from
TomPS i just checked and my current Ubuntu is on 3.3.2 somehow, magically.
Well well ...
Cor
Lol.
I'm not exactly sure how your post helps the original question. My "complete
nonsense" is from the TDF wiki.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
"... we will necessarily release earlier, and then rapidly, incrementally bug
fix releases based on the previous stable version. Thus if you have a need for
the very highest quality version, it can make sense to defer a move until the
first or perhaps second minor point release.
Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the wider Free Software
ecosystem also has huge advantages, by getting our new features, out to users
as quickly as possible - with a minimum of distribution cycle lag. In
consequence, we will aim at six monthly releases, and over time nudge them to
align well with the March / September norms."
Note the bit where it says "it can make sense to defer a move" and the bit
where it says about moving to a 6monthly release cycle? LibreOffice is not so
flaky that it fails to work after a couple of months and 'must' be upgraded. It
keeps working.
Please, you do a lot of good work for TDF and there is no need to spoil that
with personal attacks in public, spamming the list (ironically). People run
different systems in different ways for different reasons. OpenSource is about
giving people freedom OF choice.
Regards from
Tom
Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)
Lol.
Lol too
Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case approximately 6-7 releases a year.
Please, you do a lot of good work for TDF and there is no need to spoil that
with personal attacks in public, spamming the list (ironically).
Thanks. Fair enough, my critics on you in this case was too bold.
But be fair too, and evaluate your own posts pls.
And also, since up until now you do not seem to take into consideration too much what others write, I doubt that I won't be triggered in the future to 'spam'( ) this list again.
Regards,
Cor
Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)
Lol.
Lol too
Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case approximately 6-7
releases a year.
...
No. It means the "final" releases are (I suspect) in sync with Ubuntu
releases:
<quote>
Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the wider Free
Software ecosystem also has huge advantages, by getting our new
features, out to users as quickly as possible - with a minimum of
distribution cycle lag. In consequence, we will aim at six monthly
releases, and over time nudge them to align well with the March /
September norms.
</quote>
Seems to indicate that LO are bending over to Ubuntu/<possibly other
release schedules. Let's see... Ubuntu releases are April (hence
the LO March time) and October (hence the LO September time)...
This was quite apparent with the LO 3.3.2 "release" in sync with Ubuntu
Natty 11.04 with considerable breakage/bugs still in LO 3.3. Please tell
me that I'm wrong.
well 3.4 is scheduled to be out around June 1st. We are on RC2 right now.
3.3.0 was LO's first release version and it came out before OOo did and was better, plus a lot of legacy coding was fixed. Every release has some of that old, unused, bad, or clunky coding repaired, replaced, etc., so future edits would not be dependent on the old legacy stuff not messing up the new stuff. Sun and Oracle both had that problem. LO's developers do not have the problem of "wasting" man-hours on fixing code that was not done properly in the first place. Our developers both started cleaning up the legacy coding and put out a better product than Oracle did, plus beat them to the release date. This is not our statements, but tech publication reviews and articles stating this.
As for trying to have our releases timed with repository upgrading? Well it may be something for the scheduling people to use for getting dates. It does take time to get the release packages listed on the LibreOffice download sites to be "converted" for repository updating/upgrading cycles. I do not know how much time it would take, but 3.3.0 came out in the beginning of the year, and then a few months later Ubuntu and others announced that they will add LibreOffice 3.3.x to their repositories and then drop OOo as their default installed office suite.
As for "still having bugs"; well 99% of all software for the PC market has bugs in their release versions. No one can find them all. Some are found by accident due to weird interaction with specific data or actions created by a user. We are no better, and hopefully no worse, than other software developers when it comes to bugs. Of course, we do not charge you to buy our software and do its best to own up to any bugs found, unlike some companies that most of us know and hate. Open Source software may seem to some as having more bugs than their paid alternatives, but the open source community are more open about these things and will not tell you that you are at fault and not their high priced software. This openness also makes it easier to find the cause of the bug and get it fixed faster and better.
As for fixed schedules for software releases???
If the developers have version 3.4.4 list of work finished a month early, they could start the RC process early, and not wait. So people could see a new version/update out quicker than schedules, or if problems arise even have it out later. 3.4 was originally due out mid May, but it will be late May or first thing in June. No big deal. Of course we are not waiting for the Fall to introduce the 3.4 version and keeping the 3.3.x numbers going and going till then.
That is my opinion - what is yours?
I see only RC1 on the Pre-Releases page of the website. Where can I get
RC2?
--Jean
Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)
Lol.
Lol too
Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case approximately 6-7
releases a year....
No. It means the "final" releases are (I suspect) in sync with Ubuntu
releases:<quote>
Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the wider Free
Software ecosystem also has huge advantages, by getting our new
features, out to users as quickly as possible - with a minimum of
distribution cycle lag. In consequence, we will aim at six monthly
releases, and over time nudge them to align well with the March /
September norms.
</quote>Seems to indicate that LO are bending over to Ubuntu/<possibly other
> release schedules. Let's see... Ubuntu releases are April (hence
the LO March time) and October (hence the LO September time)...This was quite apparent with the LO 3.3.2 "release" in sync with Ubuntu
Natty 11.04 with considerable breakage/bugs still in LO 3.3. Please tell
me that I'm wrong.well 3.4 is scheduled to be out around June 1st. We are on RC2 right now.
...
That is my opinion - what is yours?
My opinion is that you missed my point(s) entirely.
Thanks! Looks very new, so I expect it will be on the main site before
too long. -Jean
________________________________
From: NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 26 May, 2011 3:08:16
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: upgrade path?
On 05/25/2011 06:15 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:
On 05/25/2011 08:30 PM, NoOp wrote:
On 05/25/2011 03:21 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:
Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)
Lol.
Lol too
Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case approximately 6-7
releases a year....
No. It means the "final" releases are (I suspect) in sync with Ubuntu
releases:<quote>
Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the wider Free
Software ecosystem also has huge advantages, by getting our new
features, out to users as quickly as possible - with a minimum of
distribution cycle lag. In consequence, we will aim at six monthly
releases, and over time nudge them to align well with the March /
September norms.
</quote>Seems to indicate that LO are bending over to Ubuntu/<possibly other
> release schedules. Let's see... Ubuntu releases are April (hence
the LO March time) and October (hence the LO September time)...This was quite apparent with the LO 3.3.2 "release" in sync with Ubuntu
Natty 11.04 with considerable breakage/bugs still in LO 3.3. Please tell
me that I'm wrong.well 3.4 is scheduled to be out around June 1st. We are on RC2 right now.
...
That is my opinion - what is yours?
My opinion is that you missed my point(s) entirely.
Hi
Actually there were quite a few distro's that had scheduled their new release
since January 25th including some that had not had a new release for 'years'
Fedora - likes to be experimental and ground-breaking
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LibreOffice#Scope
"LibreOffice has released its final release of 3.3.0. There will be an
officially released version before 05/10/2011 - the intended release date of
Fedora 15." i think that date is mm/dd/yyyy.
Debian (stable branch) - tries to be very stable and is very reluctant to try
anything new
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian
Released their stable "Sid" 2011/02/06 where LO 3.3.0 was released 2011/01/25 so
our devs got it out there only a couple of weeks before their release which
wasn't quite enough time. Oddly even the more recent unstable branch, released
2011/05/26, still has OOo.
Pardus - funded and developed by the Scientific & Technological Research
Council of Turkey
One of the first to include LibreOffice. Last released 2011/01/20. LO 3.3.0
was only a week later but they couldn't delay.
Mandriva released 2011/05/25 but still with OOo
Mageia released it's rc1 2011/05/17 with LO
Suse released 2011/05/25 with OOo but it's "factory" release, 2011/05/25, has LO
Mepis released 2011/05/05 with LO and sometimes goes a few years between
releases.
It's not the whole story because LO is in many of those repos but that relies on
fairly expert users caring enough about which Office Suite they use. Being
included in the default install of distros gets the name and logo out there
where average or low-level users see it.
Ubuntu and it's 'clones' (such as Mint??) tend to ship with LibreOffice. Also
their release dates don't keep slipping as other distros do. Releasing 6monthly
means that people's interest keeps simmering in news articles and discussions.
Distros are more likely to mention which release of LO is included or which
additional functionality has been added.
Regards from
Tom
________________________________
From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <webmaster@krackedpress.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 26 May, 2011 2:15:32
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: upgrade path?
On 05/25/2011 08:30 PM, NoOp wrote:
On 05/25/2011 03:21 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:
Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)
Lol.
Lol too
Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case approximately 6-7
releases a year....
No. It means the "final" releases are (I suspect) in sync with Ubuntu
releases:<quote>
Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the wider Free
Software ecosystem also has huge advantages, by getting our new
features, out to users as quickly as possible - with a minimum of
distribution cycle lag. In consequence, we will aim at six monthly
releases, and over time nudge them to align well with the March /
September norms.
</quote>Seems to indicate that LO are bending over to Ubuntu/<possibly other
> release schedules. Let's see... Ubuntu releases are April (hence
the LO March time) and October (hence the LO September time)...This was quite apparent with the LO 3.3.2 "release" in sync with Ubuntu
Natty 11.04 with considerable breakage/bugs still in LO 3.3. Please tell
me that I'm wrong.
well 3.4 is scheduled to be out around June 1st. We are on RC2 right now.
3.3.0 was LO's first release version and it came out before OOo did and was
better, plus a lot of legacy coding was fixed. Every release has some of that
old, unused, bad, or clunky coding repaired, replaced, etc., so future edits
would not be dependent on the old legacy stuff not messing up the new stuff.
Sun and Oracle both had that problem. LO's developers do not have the problem
of "wasting" man-hours on fixing code that was not done properly in the first
place. Our developers both started cleaning up the legacy coding and put out a
better product than Oracle did, plus beat them to the release date. This is not
our statements, but tech publication reviews and articles stating this.
As for trying to have our releases timed with repository upgrading? Well it may
be something for the scheduling people to use for getting dates. It does take
time to get the release packages listed on the LibreOffice download sites to be
"converted" for repository updating/upgrading cycles. I do not know how much
time it would take, but 3.3.0 came out in the beginning of the year, and then a
few months later Ubuntu and others announced that they will add LibreOffice
3.3.x to their repositories and then drop OOo as their default installed office
suite.
As for "still having bugs"; well 99% of all software for the PC market has bugs
in their release versions. No one can find them all. Some are found by
accident due to weird interaction with specific data or actions created by a
user. We are no better, and hopefully no worse, than other software developers
when it comes to bugs. Of course, we do not charge you to buy our software and
do its best to own up to any bugs found, unlike some companies that most of us
know and hate. Open Source software may seem to some as having more bugs than
their paid alternatives, but the open source community are more open about these
things and will not tell you that you are at fault and not their high priced
software. This openness also makes it easier to find the cause of the bug and
get it fixed faster and better.
As for fixed schedules for software releases???
If the developers have version 3.4.4 list of work finished a month early, they
could start the RC process early, and not wait. So people could see a new
version/update out quicker than schedules, or if problems arise even have it out
later. 3.4 was originally due out mid May, but it will be late May or first
thing in June. No big deal. Of course we are not waiting for the Fall to
introduce the 3.4 version and keeping the 3.3.x numbers going and going till
then.
That is my opinion - what is yours?
Hi
The devs seem determined to do a lot of work really quite fast and seem to have
a back-log of work they are keen to do. From the wiki it seems that they plan
to calm down a bit at some point in the next year or so but until then we can
enjoy the benefits of having lots of recent stable releases along with lots of
beta testing for those that like to stay ahead and do something for the
community while working at outside interests or paid work.So, stick with a
stable release if that's easier or keep getting the latest if you enjoy that,
either way is refreshingly possible right now
Regards from
Tom
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Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> typed:
________________________________
From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
<webmaster@krackedpress.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 26 May, 2011 2:15:32
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: upgrade path?Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)
Lol.
Lol too
Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case
approximately 6-7 releases a year....
No. It means the "final" releases are (I suspect) in
sync with Ubuntu releases:<quote>
Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the
wider Free Software ecosystem also has huge advantages,
by getting our new features, out to users as quickly as
possible - with a minimum of distribution cycle lag. In
consequence, we will aim at six monthly releases, and
over time nudge them to align well with the March /
September norms. </quote>Seems to indicate that LO are bending over to
Ubuntu/<possibly other distro> release schedules. Let's
see... Ubuntu releases are April (hence the LO March
time) and October (hence the LO September time)...This was quite apparent with the LO 3.3.2 "release" in
sync with Ubuntu Natty 11.04 with considerable
breakage/bugs still in LO 3.3. Please tell me that I'm
wrong.well 3.4 is scheduled to be out around June 1st. We are
on RC2 right now.3.3.0 was LO's first release version and it came out
before OOo did and was better, plus a lot of legacy
coding was fixed. Every release has some of that old,
unused, bad, or clunky coding repaired, replaced, etc.,
so future edits would not be dependent on the old legacy
stuff not messing up the new stuff. Sun and Oracle both
had that problem. LO's developers do not have the
problem of "wasting" man-hours on fixing code that was
not done properly in the first place. Our developers
both started cleaning up the legacy coding and put out a
better product than Oracle did, plus beat them to the
release date. This is not our statements, but tech
publication reviews and articles stating this.As for trying to have our releases timed with repository
upgrading? Well it may be something for the scheduling
people to use for getting dates. It does take time to
get the release packages listed on the LibreOffice
download sites to be "converted" for repository
updating/upgrading cycles. I do not know how much time
it would take, but 3.3.0 came out in the beginning of the
year, and then a few months later Ubuntu and others
announced that they will add LibreOffice
3.3.x to their repositories and then drop OOo as their
default installed office suite.As for "still having bugs"; well 99% of all software for
the PC market has bugs in their release versions. No one
can find them all. Some are found by accident due to
weird interaction with specific data or actions created
by a user. We are no better, and hopefully no worse,
than other software developers when it comes to bugs. Of
course, we do not charge you to buy our software and do
its best to own up to any bugs found, unlike some
companies that most of us know and hate. Open Source
software may seem to some as having more bugs than their
paid alternatives, but the open source community are more
open about these things and will not tell you that you
are at fault and not their high priced software. This
openness also makes it easier to find the cause of the
bug and get it fixed faster and better.As for fixed schedules for software releases???
If the developers have version 3.4.4 list of work
finished a month early, they could start the RC process
early, and not wait. So people could see a new
version/update out quicker than schedules, or if problems
arise even have it out later. 3.4 was originally due out
mid May, but it will be late May or first thing in June.
No big deal. Of course we are not waiting for the Fall
to introduce the 3.4 version and keeping the 3.3.x
numbers going and going till then.That is my opinion - what is yours?
Hi Tom,
Well written, well worded and good reading article. Libre Office is indeed a
valuable application by my own experience too and I'm quite happy to see it
doing well. I'm especially happy to see that simple early-on bugs that were
ignored in OOo were taken as tasks right away; For me it's one step closer
to dropping MS Office completely. I expect that to happen in the upcoming
release 4.
It's a great trip so far!
HTH,
Twayne`
In news:308716.4509.qm@web24103.mail.ird.yahoo.com,
Tom Davies<tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> typed:________________________________
From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
<webmaster@krackedpress.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 26 May, 2011 2:15:32
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: upgrade path?Tom Davies wrote (25-05-11 23:53)
Lol.
Lol too
Release cycle of 6 months, does mean in our case
approximately 6-7 releases a year....
No. It means the "final" releases are (I suspect) in
sync with Ubuntu releases:<quote>
Synchronizing our time based release schedule with the
wider Free Software ecosystem also has huge advantages,
by getting our new features, out to users as quickly as
possible - with a minimum of distribution cycle lag. In
consequence, we will aim at six monthly releases, and
over time nudge them to align well with the March /
September norms.</quote>Seems to indicate that LO are bending over to
Ubuntu/<possibly other distro> release schedules. Let's
see... Ubuntu releases are April (hence the LO March
time) and October (hence the LO September time)...This was quite apparent with the LO 3.3.2 "release" in
sync with Ubuntu Natty 11.04 with considerable
breakage/bugs still in LO 3.3. Please tell me that I'm
wrong.well 3.4 is scheduled to be out around June 1st. We are
on RC2 right now.3.3.0 was LO's first release version and it came out
before OOo did and was better, plus a lot of legacy
coding was fixed. Every release has some of that old,
unused, bad, or clunky coding repaired, replaced, etc.,
so future edits would not be dependent on the old legacy
stuff not messing up the new stuff. Sun and Oracle both
had that problem. LO's developers do not have the
problem of "wasting" man-hours on fixing code that was
not done properly in the first place. Our developers
both started cleaning up the legacy coding and put out a
better product than Oracle did, plus beat them to the
release date. This is not our statements, but tech
publication reviews and articles stating this.As for trying to have our releases timed with repository
upgrading? Well it may be something for the scheduling
people to use for getting dates. It does take time to
get the release packages listed on the LibreOffice
download sites to be "converted" for repository
updating/upgrading cycles. I do not know how much time
it would take, but 3.3.0 came out in the beginning of the
year, and then a few months later Ubuntu and others
announced that they will add LibreOffice
3.3.x to their repositories and then drop OOo as their
default installed office suite.As for "still having bugs"; well 99% of all software for
the PC market has bugs in their release versions. No one
can find them all. Some are found by accident due to
weird interaction with specific data or actions created
by a user. We are no better, and hopefully no worse,
than other software developers when it comes to bugs. Of
course, we do not charge you to buy our software and do
its best to own up to any bugs found, unlike some
companies that most of us know and hate. Open Source
software may seem to some as having more bugs than their
paid alternatives, but the open source community are more
open about these things and will not tell you that you
are at fault and not their high priced software. This
openness also makes it easier to find the cause of the
bug and get it fixed faster and better.As for fixed schedules for software releases???
If the developers have version 3.4.4 list of work
finished a month early, they could start the RC process
early, and not wait. So people could see a new
version/update out quicker than schedules, or if problems
arise even have it out later. 3.4 was originally due out
mid May, but it will be late May or first thing in June.
No big deal. Of course we are not waiting for the Fall
to introduce the 3.4 version and keeping the 3.3.x
numbers going and going till then.That is my opinion - what is yours?
Hi Tom,
Tom? or Tim? Krackedpress is Tim
Well written, well worded and good reading article. Libre Office is indeed a
valuable application by my own experience too and I'm quite happy to see it
doing well. I'm especially happy to see that simple early-on bugs that were
ignored in OOo were taken as tasks right away; For me it's one step closer
to dropping MS Office completely. I expect that to happen in the upcoming
release 4.It's a great trip so far!
HTH,
Twayne`
Since I am using Ubuntu as my default system, I dropped MSO completely, or I hope to. I do have a Vista laptop and a HP laptop [on loan] and I have copies of MSO from 95 to 2003. I has 2003 loaded on the Vista laptop till I needed to reinstall it to fix some major problems that crept up with Vista. After that I did not bother to install any MSO on the laptop. On my P3 tablet, I installed Word 95 to be able to work with .doc files that was on it, while it also had OOo 1.x on it. I do not have enough RAM or Speed on it to use LO.
So I am now completely removed from MSO for all practical purposes. Except for the hardware and software that require Windows, I am using Ubuntu 10.04LTS for the most part. My new printer that Prints-Scans-Copies-Faxes and prints on CD/DVD media, has some requirements that need Windows to run, so for some of the work I can use Ubuntu while other work must be done from a Windows system. Also, while it is on the network, I cannot use Xsane with my old USB connected HP Print-Scan-Copy device. As soon as it is off the network, it will work. But while using the new printer, I find that some of the features seem not to work while non connected to the network while other work fine via the USB connection. I will have to figure that out. I have no problems using the new printer via USB only, if that will be required.
So I still have to use Windows instead of a 100% commitment to Ubuntu. But I will use LibreOffice for 99.9% of the work I can predict doing that is office related. I do not think I will ever need MSO on my laptops or desktop machines in the future, but I cannot predict the future any more than anyone else. As long as I can do the work with LibreOffice, I will use LibreOffice instead of MSO 2003. One day, I hope to be able to figure out how to use WINE to get the needed Windows software to work on my Ubuntu machines.
As for LibreOffice's abilities to read/write MSO's xml formats, I hope it will get better and better as time goes by. I will soon download and test some of the MSO templates and see how well LO 3.3.2 and 3.4.x works with those test files. Once LibreOffice can work with all of MSO's file formats, and it does the work that MSO does for the "average" business user, I think more and more people will stop supporting MS where it counts, in the wallet.