Upgrade Problem on Windows

James_E_Lang1 · April 27, 2014, 6:40pm

4.0.4.2 -> 4.1.5.3

After performing a cleanup on the volume there is only 207MB available on C: on a Windows XP system on which I'm working. After I specified that LO be installed on volume D: the installer still requires 427MB on C:. I hesitate to compress volume C:.

Volume, Size, Available, Needed
C:, 15GB, 207MB, 427MB
D:, 107GB, 61GB, 352MB
F:, 16GB, 6694MB, 0KB

Is there any way to avoid using C:?

(Growl! Windows. Bah, humbug!)

Regina · April 27, 2014, 7:20pm

Hi James,

James E Lang schrieb:

4.0.4.2 -> 4.1.5.3

After performing a cleanup on the volume there is only 207MB
available on C: on a Windows XP system on which I'm working. After I
specified that LO be installed on volume D: the installer still
requires 427MB on C:. I hesitate to compress volume C:.

Volume, Size, Available, Needed C:, 15GB, 207MB, 427MB D:, 107GB,
61GB, 352MB F:, 16GB, 6694MB, 0KB

Is there any way to avoid using C:?

(Growl! Windows. Bah, humbug!)

Do you have used already methods to get more free place on drive C?
Empty trash.
Empty all temp or tmp folders.
Empty the cache of your broswer and/or move the location for the cache of you browser to drive D.

You can try this:
(1)
Uninstall the old version before you install the new one. Then there might be enough place on C, because the new version isn't significant larger then the old one.

(2)
1. Unpack to a folder on D. The installer has a button to choose the destination.
2. Use the custom installation. There you can set the destination folder.

If it still does not work, then the default temp folder can not grow large enough. You can try to set a new location for the temp folder in the Windows XP settings.

(3)
Or a different way. Do not install using the installer, but make an administative installation. You will get a full usable LO, but no system integration. Therefore double click a file to open it in LO will not work out-of-the-box. You can put a link to soffice.exe on your desktop to get a quick access, or you assign the file name extension to soffice.exe later on explicitly by using "open with...".

Kind regards
Regina

drodriguez · April 27, 2014, 8:14pm

Hi James,

James E Lang schrieb:

4.0.4.2 -> 4.1.5.3

After performing a cleanup on the volume there is only 207MB
available on C: on a Windows XP system on which I'm working. After I
specified that LO be installed on volume D: the installer still
requires 427MB on C:. I hesitate to compress volume C:.

Volume, Size, Available, Needed C:, 15GB, 207MB, 427MB D:, 107GB,
61GB, 352MB F:, 16GB, 6694MB, 0KB

Is there any way to avoid using C:?

(Growl! Windows. Bah, humbug!)

Do you have used already methods to get more free place on drive C?
Empty trash.
Empty all temp or tmp folders.
Empty the cache of your broswer and/or move the location for the cache of

you browser to drive D.

You can try this:
(1)
Uninstall the old version before you install the new one. Then there

might be enough place on C, because the new version isn't significant
larger then the old one.

(2)
1. Unpack to a folder on D. The installer has a button to choose the

destination.

2. Use the custom installation. There you can set the destination folder.

If it still does not work, then the default temp folder can not grow

large enough. You can try to set a new location for the temp folder in the
Windows XP settings.

(3)
Or a different way. Do not install using the installer, but make an

administative installation. You will get a full usable LO, but no system
integration. Therefore double click a file to open it in LO will not work
out-of-the-box. You can put a link to soffice.exe on your desktop to get a
quick access, or you assign the file name extension to soffice.exe later on
explicitly by using "open with...".

Another copuple of things to increase available space on drive C are:

- Change the virtual memory location, if it's still on drive C move to D
- A more complex one is to increase size of partition C

James_E_Lang1 · April 28, 2014, 3:10pm

Thank you Regina.

Due to a quirk in DroidMail I am enclosing my responses in brackets

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to distinguish them from the text to which I'm responding.

reisi007 · April 28, 2014, 3:23pm

Hi,

What I can imagine is the following: Some C++ redistributables. Please try a parallel installation (start the installer with the option "/a"). This is not a installation, bit an extraction. If you have questions, please ask
Sorry for reply-all. /me on mobile....

Regina · April 28, 2014, 3:32pm

Hi James,

James E Lang schrieb:

[All of this misses my point which is that the installer requires
space on one specific volume (I.e. on C:) and that this disk usage
apparently cannot be redirected to another volume (e.g. D:). It looks
like I might be able to migrate one application (Pegasus Mail) from
volume C: to volume D:. That's simply a work-around — not a fix for
the basic problem.]

I have shown some ways to get LibreOffice to drive D. Which parts of them have you done?
(1) Put the downloaded file on drive D.
(2) Put the unpacked download files on drive D.
(3) Install LibreOffice to drive D.

If you have done all that and still cannot install, have you tried an administrative installation to drive D too?

Kind regards
Regina

Tanstaafl · April 28, 2014, 4:50pm

207MB free on your system partition?

That is the problem you need to solve. I guarantee you are having serious performance issues right now and don't even know it, and crashes due to insufficient disk space on your system drive are only a short time away.

Fix the problem.

Tom_Davies1 · April 28, 2014, 6:53pm

Hi
Good point! Windows partition's over 20% full suffer a small performance
hit. The curve steepens at around 50% and over 80% full performance drops
away steeply. It's that final 20% that make a machine really kinda
painful.

Is it possible to resize the partitions?
Regards from
Tom

James_E_Lang1 · April 28, 2014, 7:03pm

Hi Florian.

James_E_Lang1 · April 28, 2014, 7:16pm

No, Tom. It's not.

I agree that this volume is full beyond any sane level. The computer is a hobby machine. In a business environment it was pitched ages ago.

The fact that it's still running XP should say something.

Regina · April 28, 2014, 8:13pm

Hi James,

James E Lang schrieb:

Hi Florian.

<florei@libreoffice.org> To: LO Users <users@global.libreoffice.org>,
James E Lang <jim+lou@lang.hm>, Regina Henschel
<rb.henschel@t-online.de> Sent: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 8:23 Subject: Re:
[libreoffice-users] Upgrade Problem on Windows

Hi,

What I can imagine is the following: Some C++ redistributables.
Please try a parallel installation (start the installer with the
option "/a").

[ I was double clicking D:\Downloads\LibreOffice_4.1.5_Win_x86.msi

How do I add option /a? ]

Click on Start. There click on Run. You get an input line with label 'Open'. Enter the text

cmd

Now you get a command line window. Enter the following texts and finish each line with enter.

D:

cd Downloads

msciexec /a LibreOffice_4.1.5_Win_x86.msi

The reaction has a little bit delay. But then the installation wizard of LibreOffice should start.

This is not a installation, bit an extraction. If you have questions,
please ask

[ "Installation" | "extraction" ? Are you saying that what I'm doing
should be called an extraction or that option /a makes it an
extraction? I think somebody stated that if extracted rather than
installed, the new version would NOT be invoked by double clicking a
document (e.g. pizzalog.ods).

It will tell you that the files are to be _extracted_ to a net work drive. There you get the option to choose the destination, in your case drive D. It is correct, that this does not add any registry entries to provide "call by doubleclick". But you can change that later. First you need to get this extraction and then we will help you with the next steps.

Kind regards
Regina

Regina · April 28, 2014, 8:22pm

Hi James,

Regina Henschel schrieb:

Click on Start. There click on Run. You get an input line with label
'Open'. Enter the text

cmd

Now you get a command line window. Enter the following texts and finish
each line with enter.

For a picture see http://www.openremote.org/download/attachments/11960398/WinXP-Run-CMD.png

Kind regards
Regina

Mark_Bourne · April 28, 2014, 9:27pm

James E Lang wrote:

4.0.4.2 -> 4.1.5.3

After performing a cleanup on the volume there is only 207MB available on C: on a Windows XP system on which I'm working. After I specified that LO be installed on volume D: the installer still requires 427MB on C:. I hesitate to compress volume C:.

Volume, Size, Available, Needed
C:, 15GB, 207MB, 427MB
D:, 107GB, 61GB, 352MB
F:, 16GB, 6694MB, 0KB

Is there any way to avoid using C:?

(Growl! Windows. Bah, humbug!)

I wonder if the downloaded installer needs space in the temporary folder (which is on the C: drive by default) to self-extract and run the installer? It may be worth trying to set the TEMP and TMP environment variables to somewhere on the D: drive.

To do this temporarily (just for this run):
- Create a folder on the D: drive to use as the temporary folder (e.g. D:\temp)
- Click Start > Run
- Enter "cmd.exe" and click OK
- Type the following commands, pressing enter after each:
set temp D:\temp
set tmp D:\temp
D: (or whatever drive letter the LO installer is on)
cd <Path to the LO installer>
<Filename of the LO installer>

To do this permanently, I'm not sure of the exact sequence on XP but something along the lines of:
- Create a folder on the D: drive to use as the temporary folder (e.g. D:\temp)
- Open Control Panel > System > Advanced > Environment Variables
- Change the values for TEMP and TMP in the "User variables" section to "D:\temp" (you might want to make a note of the current values first in case you want to change them back later)
- Click OK to everything
- From now on, most software should use D:\temp for temporary storage, so just run the LO installer as normal.

Mark.

James_E_Lang1 · April 29, 2014, 8:27am

'msciexec' is not recognized …

reisi007 · April 29, 2014, 8:32am

Hi
"Msiexec“
Sorry for the typo....

Urmas · April 29, 2014, 11:57pm

"James E Lang":

After I specified that LO be installed on volume D: the installer still requires 427MB on C:
Is there any way to avoid using C:?

You can relocate the Windows Installer folder (by creating a directory junction) and the temporary folder (by setting TEMP environental variable).

There are several tutorials available in the Internet.

jfn · April 30, 2014, 5:19am

After I specified that LO be installed on volume D: the installer still
requires 427MB on C:

Because the temporary directory for your user account resides there.
This dir is used by the installer for decompression of the msi and its
temp storage needs.

Is there any way to avoid using C:?

Change the temporary directory drive as already suggested:
.

You can relocate the Windows Installer folder (by creating a directory
junction) and the temporary folder (by setting TEMP environental variable).

There are several tutorials available in the Internet.

HTH,

Tanstaafl · May 1, 2014, 9:57am

Then resign yourself to having a broken system, and eventually one that probably won't even boot soon.