Weblate permission to add comments

l10n
#1

Dear Sophie, Christian Lohmaier, and Christian Kuehl,

I have a request about Weblate. Currently translators can't change the
translation in languages other than their own, and can only make suggestions.
This seems to me a good policy. However Weblate users not authorized to change
translations can't make language-specific comments either, and this make it hard
for suggestion makers to justify their suggestion, which is a not-so-good policy
IMHO.

My specific grievance is about bug 142813 [1] and German translation. As a bug
triager I put the suggestion by the bug reporter into Weblate [2], but it just
got deleted by the German translator Christian Kuehl. I tried to contact him via
email a week ago, but hasn't got any reply yet (maybe his Gmail account treat my
Chinese address as spam, won't surprise me).

So may I, as a QA person who regularly triages l10n bugs, ask for Weblate
permission to add comments for all languages? Or alternatively, someone with
permission please add a German-specific comment on [2] and let the German
translators know about the bug [1].

Finally as a side note, it would be nice if there is a point-person from the
German l10n community that has an email address registered on Bugzilla, so that
relevant bugs can be easily CC'ed to, instead of just a mailing list address
listed on [3].

Regards,
Ming

1. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142813
2. https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/swmessages/de/?checksum=310935ea3ff85678#history
3. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams

#2

Hi,

I agree with Ming.
I also sometimes want to ask the suggesters about Japanese translation
suggestions.
However, the suggesters are not allowed to comment. I'm in trouble.

#3

Hi Ming,

Thanks for your work in QA :slight_smile:

Dear Sophie, Christian Lohmaier, and Christian Kuehl,

I have a request about Weblate. Currently translators can't change the
translation in languages other than their own, and can only make suggestions.
This seems to me a good policy. However Weblate users not authorized to change
translations can't make language-specific comments either, and this make it hard
for suggestion makers to justify their suggestion, which is a not-so-good policy
IMHO.

I've searched if there are requests on Weblate project, but only found
some about the possibility to add comments on suggestions (which is a
good idea I think). From what I understand Nijel is currently searching
for the best UI how to present various comment types.

My specific grievance is about bug 142813 [1] and German translation. As a bug
triager I put the suggestion by the bug reporter into Weblate [2], but it just
got deleted by the German translator Christian Kuehl. I tried to contact him via
email a week ago, but hasn't got any reply yet (maybe his Gmail account treat my
Chinese address as spam, won't surprise me).

So may I, as a QA person who regularly triages l10n bugs, ask for Weblate
permission to add comments for all languages? Or alternatively, someone with
permission please add a German-specific comment on [2] and let the German
translators know about the bug [1].

There is no such role as Add comments for all languages. What I do
usually is to post on this list with a request to the team to comment on
the bug or to let me know if they don't want to post on BZ.

Finally as a side note, it would be nice if there is a point-person from the
German l10n community that has an email address registered on Bugzilla, so that
relevant bugs can be easily CC'ed to, instead of just a mailing list address
listed on [3].

This list is also here for that :slight_smile: Members of the l10n team usually read
it.
BTW, you have two accounts in Weblate, maybe one can be deleted?

Cheers
Sophie

#4

Hi Jun,

Hi,

I agree with Ming.
I also sometimes want to ask the suggesters about Japanese translation
suggestions.
However, the suggesters are not allowed to comment. I'm in trouble.

You mean they can't comment because they give suggestions as anonymous
users?
Cheers
Sophie

#5

Hi Sophie,

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Send time: Tuesday, Jun 29, 2021 7:16 PM

Hi Ming,

[...]
> So may I, as a QA person who regularly triages l10n bugs, ask for Weblate
> permission to add comments for all languages? Or alternatively, someone with
> permission please add a German-specific comment on [2] and let the German
> translators know about the bug [1].

There is no such role as Add comments for all languages. What I do
usually is to post on this list with a request to the team to comment on
the bug or to let me know if they don't want to post on BZ.

> Finally as a side note, it would be nice if there is a point-person from the
> German l10n community that has an email address registered on Bugzilla, so that
> relevant bugs can be easily CC'ed to, instead of just a mailing list address
> listed on [3].

This list is also here for that :slight_smile: Members of the l10n team usually read it.

I understand that there is technical limitation to achieve the "comments for all
languages" goal I want. I'll use this list for communication about German l10n
bugs in the future.

BTW, you have two accounts in Weblate, maybe one can be deleted?

Yes, I have always been using the @PlateauWolf account this whole time, and
don't remember ever registering for the @minghua one. Please delete the empty
@minghua account.

Cheers
Sophie

Thanks,
Ming

#6

Hi, sophi

You mean they can't comment because they give suggestions as anonymous
users?

No, anonymous user.
I want registered users to be able to comment.

#7

Hi all,

My specific grievance is about bug 142813 [1] and German translation. As a bug
triager I put the suggestion by the bug reporter into Weblate [2], but it just
got deleted by the German translator Christian Kuehl. I tried to contact him via
email a week ago, but hasn't got any reply yet (maybe his Gmail account treat my
Chinese address as spam, won't surprise me).

1. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142813
2. https://translations.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_ui-master/swmessages/de/?checksum=310935ea3ff85678#history

It has been a while since I sent this email, yet there seems to be no progress about
this particular issue. So I'm changing the email subject and sending again, hoping
someone from the German community can act on this. And if not, would Sophie or
someone with comment privilege help explaining the issue on Weblate to catch the
German translators' attention?

Thanks,
Ming

#8

Hi Sophi and all,

You mean they can't comment because they give suggestions as anonymous users?

I think it would be nice if logged-in users could comment. I think
Nogata-san has the same opinion.
Then we rarely face the problem of spam comments compared to giving to
anonymous users.

Currently, logged-in normal users cannot comment.
For example, I can't comment. :
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/user/enoki/
In the Japanese community, Nogata-san and Meguro-san can comment, so I
think the "Reviewers" only can comment.

I tried Weblate in my local environment with Docker. I don't know what
the TDF Weblate group settings are.
I was able to add comment permissions by creating a new role and
adding "Post Comment" and "Add suggestion" to it.
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/6rDGjnPsFFCmMps

Best regards,
Shinji

#9

Hi Shinji,

Hi Sophi and all,

You mean they can't comment because they give suggestions as anonymous users?

I think it would be nice if logged-in users could comment. I think
Nogata-san has the same opinion.
Then we rarely face the problem of spam comments compared to giving to
anonymous users.

Currently, logged-in normal users cannot comment.
For example, I can't comment. :
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/user/enoki/
In the Japanese community, Nogata-san and Meguro-san can comment, so I
think the "Reviewers" only can comment.

Thanks for checking. Currently, translators and reviewers should be able
to add comments both to source strings and translations, you have 'Add
suggestions' role. But I understand your request and I'll ask Christian
if we can add the role there to all languages during the next upgrade.
I'll keep the list informed.
Cheers
Sophie

#10

Hi Sophi,

Currently, translators and reviewers should be able
to add comments both to source strings and translations, you have 'Add
suggestions' role.

Thank you for checking the settings.
I understand.

But I understand your request and I'll ask Christian
if we can add the role there to all languages during the next upgrade.
I'll keep the list informed.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Shinji